2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[raideralex99]

Was reading an article on some obscure site from June or July of last year that said Ehlers had no intention in extending in WPG and was planning on testing the market this offseason.
Can only one confirm this or is it just click bait crap

Probably click bait crap ... lots of the crap being posted nowadays.
The only thing I ever saw was Ehlers on camera saying Chevy has not come to the table with an offer.
IMO I think Chevy is waiting for playoff results to see how much Ehlers is worth and right now it looks like its backfiring on Chevy with the last 2 contracts handled out to Rantanen and Chychrun.

 

[ps241]

Pride is generally a nasty thing, but will say that I am so proud of what my kids have become (with swimming as an integral input), and they are better people than I will ever be.

I am not sure if its the early mornings, spending time in solitude and silence with the face down in the pool grinding, or the actual act of swimming with the repetition, focus, and no short cuts to hit your personal bests. So many of the kids I knew that were swimmers understood the equation of hard work = ^ output.

Pride in your kids for the right reason is a good thing.

 

[raideralex99]

I hope this comes true. Avs stopping the Jets from acquiring Brock Nelson in a last minute deal.

 

[Adam da bomb]

I am not sure if its the early mornings, spending time in solitude and silence with the face down in the pool grinding, or the actual act of swimming with the repetition, focus, and no short cuts to hit your personal bests. So many of the kids I knew that were swimmers understood the equation of hard work = ^ output.

Pride in your kids for the right reason is a good thing.

To a degree, pride in your kids is a good thing as long as you don’t talk bout it too much. My coworker keeps going on and on bout her kids.

 

[buggs]

You are right, and he is a US citizen, and literally one of the absolute best in the history of swimming. One of the best that ever was eg, in the same league as Maradona, Wayne Gretzky, Mohammed Ali. A household name - and by no means an average representative of the sport. His is an exceptional example.

+++++++++

Whats my point? Canadian swimmers (even the best Olympians and World champions) more often than not live an obscure life, even those who hold current national and international records. Other than Summer McIntosh or perhaps Penny Oleksiak, I bet you can't name 5 more Canadian swimming superstars without googling them. If one happens *not* to be Mike Phelps, its not a sport where one goes to seek rich endorsements.

Bottom line, you can't honestly accuse parents of swimmers as those looking to mooch off their kids "swimming" incomes. There is literally no income for swimmers who go beyond scholarships obtained in University, other than being carded by Swim Canada - that gets them free training in National centres of excellence and a very modest income. 99% of Swim Parents wind up waaaaaay in the hole fiscally. Ask me how I know.

But, 2X per day practices through their teen years keeps them out of trouble. So, I call it a wash.

We always viewed our child's sports activities as an avenue to teach her how things in life worked. She really enjoyed what she did but she got to view how "teams" work in reality. Rarely you get a team where everyone contributes and the stars align and you get magic. More often, you see how unfair life can be and the impacts of that. I think they're a wonderful metaphor and learning experience.

We knew enough from our careers to know what was required to play at the University level. We also knew exactly how little the Canadian university system provides in terms of financial support. The vast majority of sports do not lead to financial success. I cannot recall the stats but there's a lovely meme out there about D1 athletes. The odds are astronomically low.

Sports as they exist now do need a reset though. I'm of the belief that they kill the multi-sport aspect far too early, the biggest result being burnout far earlier (IMO). Our daughter was told to choose and focus in grade 9 and it was considered late. She chose in grade 11 and still got offers for her two sports.

The other aspect of a potential reset is that schools and clubs need to do dual stream stuff. Hockey has something of a handle on that with the tiering, but it needs to be carried further. The benefit of the activity to keep them out of trouble is of tremendous value. There's a big shock for a lot of athletes when they enter high school and it's no longer fair play and cuts occur. It gets worse for varsity as even more kids who weren't that bad lose their opportunity. To use girls volleyball as an example out of 100 kids that may be playing at the club level, maybe six will still be playing in grade 11. That's a problem.

We were fortunate to see our daughter get some financial support to play the game at the university level. We're far more impressed with how she performed academically and the career path she took without missing a beat. I'll take the Academic All Canadian awards any day over the others. And yeah, I am very proud of her.

 

[CanMerc]

I hope this comes true. Avs stopping the Jets from acquiring Brock Nelson in a last minute deal.

Seravalli is an idiot though…I don’t put any stock in anything he says

 

[Bob E]

It will be very hard for the Jets to resign their pending UFA's and RFA's and keep the gang together.

UFA's:

Ehlers - 7 yrs / $59M ($8.43M aav)
Pionk - 6 yrs / $40M ($6.67M aav)
Iafallo - 3 yrs / $10.5M ($3.50M aav)
Appleton - 3 yrs / $7.5M ($2.5M aav)

RFA's:

Vilardi - 7 yrs / $50M ($7.14M aav)
Samberg - 7 yrs / $38.5M ($5.5M aav)
Barron - 2 yrs / $3M ($1.5M aav)

These contracts plus a ELC or two just slips under the $95.5M salary cap for 2025/26 with the other known contracts, and I think I'm light on most of them especially the UFA deals. That lineup also doesn't fix the 2C situation or in other words has Vladdy in that slot for another year with a low salary guy like Gus or Kupari still as 4C.

There's really no improvement to the group, though I suppose this group is #2 in the NHL, fighting for the President's Trophy.

 

[ps241]

We always viewed our child's sports activities as an avenue to teach her how things in life worked. She really enjoyed what she did but she got to view how "teams" work in reality. Rarely you get a team where everyone contributes and the stars align and you get magic. More often, you see how unfair life can be and the impacts of that. I think they're a wonderful metaphor and learning experience.

We knew enough from our careers to know what was required to play at the University level. We also knew exactly how little the Canadian university system provides in terms of financial support. The vast majority of sports do not lead to financial success. I cannot recall the stats but there's a lovely meme out there about D1 athletes. The odds are astronomically low.

Sports as they exist now do need a reset though. I'm of the belief that they kill the multi-sport aspect far too early, the biggest result being burnout far earlier (IMO). Our daughter was told to choose and focus in grade 9 and it was considered late. She chose in grade 11 and still got offers for her two sports.

The other aspect of a potential reset is that schools and clubs need to do dual stream stuff. Hockey has something of a handle on that with the tiering, but it needs to be carried further. The benefit of the activity to keep them out of trouble is of tremendous value. There's a big shock for a lot of athletes when they enter high school and it's no longer fair play and cuts occur. It gets worse for varsity as even more kids who weren't that bad lose their opportunity. To use girls volleyball as an example out of 100 kids that may be playing at the club level, maybe six will still be playing in grade 11. That's a problem.

We were fortunate to see our daughter get some financial support to play the game at the university level. We're far more impressed with how she performed academically and the career path she took without missing a beat. I'll take the Academic All Canadian awards any day over the others. And yeah, I am very proud of her.

Really great recap.

Hard to add much to what you said here. My daughter is starting her journey and she is 13U club this season. Her mom and I wanted her to learn the team dynamics with a group of teen girls. I think in this era of phones, social media, and social isolation it’s even more valuable to have face to face time with strangers, that become teammates, and possibly friends off the social media grid. Them thar are pretty scarce reps to get in this era.

My problem with Volleyball is its club or bust and that cuts out way too many young women. If you don’t make club at 13 then its even harder to make club at 14, No club means its very hard to make your JV or varsity team. Hockey has the entire house league system so no matter how much your kid sucks they have a team to play on and a league to play in until they are 18. That is the way volleyball should be to IMO.

The mono tracking on sports is sad. I absolutely think it leads boredom and burn out. We have to be smart with our daughter, she made practice squad on her 7-8 school basketball team, and she wants to play flag football with her budddies this spring.

I like sports for goal setting and the highs and lows of winning and losing. Like you I think exposure to the dog eat dog word of club sports provides very good real life lessons.

 

[surixon]

It will be very hard for the Jets to resign their pending UFA's and RFA's and keep the gang together.

UFA's:

Ehlers - 7 yrs / $59M ($8.43M aav)
Pionk - 6 yrs / $40M ($6.67M aav)
Iafallo - 3 yrs / $10.5M ($3.50M aav)
Appleton - 3 yrs / $7.5M ($2.5M aav)

RFA's:

Vilardi - 7 yrs / $50M ($7.14M aav)
Samberg - 7 yrs / $38.5M ($5.5M aav)
Barron - 2 yrs / $3M ($1.5M aav)

These contracts plus a ELC or two just slips under the $95.5M salary cap for 2025/26 with the other known contracts, and I think I'm light on most of them especially the UFA deals. That lineup also doesn't fix the 2C situation or in other words has Vladdy in that slot for another year with a low salary guy like Gus or Kupari still as 4C.

There's really no improvement to the group, though I suppose this group is #2 in the NHL, fighting for the President's Trophy.

They will need internal progression to improve. We had Cole and Snerg take big steps this year. We will need one of Lambert/Chibrikov to make the team and be able to contribute to continue to keep pushing this group.

 

[Jet]

They will need internal progression to improve. We had Cole and Snerg take big steps this year. We will need one of Lambert/Chibrikov to make the team and be able to contribute to continue to keep pushing this group.

We're probably ok with letting Appleton and Iafallo go, though the org loves Apples and i think we'd miss Iafallo more than we know.

I noticed Tanev wasn't on the list. I wonder out loud if his return will spark interest in an extension? I'd rather pay for him than Appleton

 

[surixon]

We're probably ok with letting Appleton and Iafallo go, though the org loves Apples and i think we'd miss Iafallo more than we know.

I noticed Tanev wasn't on the list. I wonder out loud if his return will spark interest in an extension? I'd rather pay for him than Appleton

I've thought about letting Appelton walk and keeping Tanev. He brings more energy and passion imo. Plus will likely come cheaper both in aav and term.

 

[Weezeric]

I've thought about letting Appelton walk and keeping Tanev. He brings more energy and passion imo. Plus will likely come cheaper both in aav and term.

I think Appleton gets way too much hate around here, but even I would have him as the odd man out between him, Iafallo and Tanev. Iafallo is by far the most important to lock up of the three I’d say.

 

[Whileee]

We're probably ok with letting Appleton and Iafallo go, though the org loves Apples and i think we'd miss Iafallo more than we know.

I noticed Tanev wasn't on the list. I wonder out loud if his return will spark interest in an extension? I'd rather pay for him than Appleton

I'd keep Iafallo over Appleton for sure.

 

[Adam da bomb]

I'd keep Iafallo over Appleton for sure.

I'd keep Tanev over both.

 

[Jet]

I'd keep Tanev over both.

Considering cap and bang for buck I'd tend to agree

 

[Adam da bomb]

I think Appleton gets way too much hate around here, but even I would have him as the odd man out between him, Iafallo and Tanev. Iafallo is by far the most important to lock up of the three I’d say.

I'd argue that Tanev should be the priority. Our biggest challenges this season hasn't been scoring, which if it was keeping Iafallo would make the most sense, but, our PK which I would argue Tanev is much more effective on.

 

[10Ducky10]

Considering cap and bang for buck I'd tend to agree

What do you think either of them would sign for.
I think Alex is a much more versatile player and more important to the team.

 

[Whileee]

I'd keep Tanev over both.

I think Iafallo is a lot more versatile and effective than Tanev. Iafallo is useful in the top 6 and on the PP, along with being a very useful defensive and PK forward. Tanev is mainly an energy F and I wonder about his durability (he'll be 34 in December).

 

[Bob E]

My order is Iafallo > Tanev > Appleton.

If you can get Iafallo signed for $3.5M/yr, I would sign him in a heartbeat. Tanev adds an element the Jets don't have in abundance and can use, but he'd have to come cheaply on a 1 or 2 yr deal. Appleton is younger but Iafallo can fill many roles and is an important utility guy, not unlike Names in many ways, and Tanev adds bite. So I would let Apples walk.

Internally, a guy like Ford or Chibby should be able to grab a spot in the bottom 6 if we let Apples go.

UFA priorities for me would be Ehlers > Iafallo > Tanev - in that order. RFA priorities would be Samberg and Vilardi, want both long term if they are willing to sign long-term, at a market cap hit for both.

Rest can go, and Tanev would be 50/50 for me. Needs to be short and affordable.

 

[DRW204]

My order is Iafallo > Tanev > Appleton.

If you can get Iafallo signed for $3.5M/yr, I would sign him in a heartbeat. Tanev adds an element the Jets don't have in abundance and can use, but he'd have to come cheaply on a 1 or 2 yr deal. Appleton is younger but Iafallo can fill many roles and is an important utility guy, not unlike Names in many ways, and Tanev adds bite. So I would let Apples walk.

Internally, a guy like Ford or Chibby should be able to grab a spot in the bottom 6 if we let Apples go.

UFA priorities for me would be Ehlers > Iafallo > Tanev - in that order. RFA priorities would be Samberg and Vilardi, want both long term if they are willing to sign long-term, at a market cap hit for both.

Rest can go, and Tanev would be 50/50 for me. Needs to be short and affordable.

agreed. iafallo is the priority out of those 3, but id have him under, or close to or under namestnikov in salary. when everyone's healthy he's usually a 4th liner on this team. if he wants 4m+ i move on.

i think id offer tanev or appleton similar 1-2years 2M or under deals. when one of them bites, move on from the other, and have chibrikov in the nhl next year in a 3rd line role. there's a log-jam building up in fwd prospects (lucius, chibrikov, lambert, barlow, yaeger), and the mid-to-long term (3+ year range) at least for top-6ers will likely be spoken for outside of Namesnitkov and maybe Ehlers. Vilardi + Perfetti are under team control and think they get 5+ years, and i do think they extend Ehlers.

 

[Jet]

What do you think either of them would sign for.
I think Alex is a much more versatile player and more important to the team.

Ha! I'm the last person to ask about value - it's so greek to me. I think that even though AI might have been overpaid on his last contract, he will be signing with someone that will give him a raise, and he's also looking to sign what might be his last contract

I think an up and comer team looking to start challenging for the playoffs might give him an AAV of 4.5 over 6 or 7 years. Too much in my mind.

Tanev is a bit older and has a lower base salary, so I see his term and AAV to likely be lower. He might be ok with doing something like 4X3 with a signing bonus.

Again though, I'm no expert

 

[10Ducky10]

Ha! I'm the last person to ask about value - it's so greek to me. I think that even though AI might have been overpaid on his last contract, he will be signing with someone that will give him a raise, and he's also looking to sign what might be his last contract

I think an up and comer team looking to start challenging for the playoffs might give him an AAV of 4.5 over 6 or 7 years. Too much in my mind.

Tanev is a bit older and has a lower base salary, so I see his term and AAV to likely be lower. He might be ok with doing something like 4X3 with a signing bonus.

Again though, I'm no expert

Way too much for Alex and too much term for Brandon.
Alex 3 x 3.333m
Tanev 2 x 3m at the most.

 

[10Ducky10]

My order is Iafallo > Tanev > Appleton.

If you can get Iafallo signed for $3.5M/yr, I would sign him in a heartbeat. Tanev adds an element the Jets don't have in abundance and can use, but he'd have to come cheaply on a 1 or 2 yr deal. Appleton is younger but Iafallo can fill many roles and is an important utility guy, not unlike Names in many ways, and Tanev adds bite. So I would let Apples walk.

Internally, a guy like Ford or Chibby should be able to grab a spot in the bottom 6 if we let Apples go.

UFA priorities for me would be Ehlers > Iafallo > Tanev - in that order. RFA priorities would be Samberg and Vilardi, want both long term if they are willing to sign long-term, at a market cap hit for both.

Rest can go, and Tanev would be 50/50 for me. Needs to be short and affordable.

You don't want to extend Pionk?

 

[Bob E]

Ha! I'm the last person to ask about value - it's so greek to me. I think that even though AI might have been overpaid on his last contract, he will be signing with someone that will give him a raise, and he's also looking to sign what might be his last contract

I think an up and comer team looking to start challenging for the playoffs might give him an AAV of 4.5 over 6 or 7 years. Too much in my mind.

Tanev is a bit older and has a lower base salary, so I see his term and AAV to likely be lower. He might be ok with doing something like 4X3 with a signing bonus.

Again though, I'm no expert

You could be right. Guys are getting far too much money and term in FA.

But as a UFA, why wouldn't you want to go to market if you're having a good year. You never know what crazy offer will be out there.

There's likely another Chandler Stephenson deal out there (7 yr / $6.25M) to be had, a deal where the aav isn't horrible especially with a raising cap, but it's a deal that's just way too long and will pay a player for past production as he ages out. Pionk seems to fit that description for me.

 

[Bob E]

You don't want to extend Pionk?

I don't want him to get a retirement deal that's way too long and far too much money a la Chandler Stephenson.

The 7 yrs at over $7M per year estimates by some sites when he started hot was just not something I'd want the Jets to do.

If it's a 3 yr deal, maybe, but Pionk would know he could get 6 or 7 yrs in FA. I just have a feeling that contract will not age well, like Wheeler or Ladd or ...