Speculation: 2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[surixon]

I agree that waiting until the deadline to overpay for whatever is available isn’t a great option. It’s also indicative of a team that wasn’t good defensively. I’m not sure we’ve solved that issue either.

It’s easy for people who bristle at any criticism to point out the team is doing very well. But it’s also a fact that Names is not a 2C on any other team. Missing out on Nelson and pretending we never needed him anyway is silly.

Sure he would have been nice and I wanted him, but he's not the difference in this team winning a cup or not, especially in the role he'd play here.

Every single cup winner recently was driven to the title by the elite players on their teams. Depth is great and you need it but before we really can have a conversation on how effective what Chevy has done to fill those holes we need to figure out a way to get our top players over the hump. You go as far as your best players take you.

 

[Xavier Laflamme]

It’s easy for people who bristle at any criticism to point out the team is doing very well. But it’s also a fact that Names is not a 2C on any other team. Missing out on Nelson and pretending we never needed him anyway is silly.

I don't think anyone is going to argue that Vladdy is not a 2C on a cup contender, out of all the other teams in real contention he is definitely at the bottom of the list in terms of second line centres, but regardless he makes a good point, we had PLD and Mony and neither of them made a difference.

Doesn't matter if we brought in Nelson or whoever, if the core group doesn't perform it wont make a shred of difference, if they do then having Vladdy is not really going to hurt us much, he is still a defensively sound centre.

 

[raideralex99]

This is a bit of a false dichotomy. The Unknown Poster is saying Chevy's being paid millions to figure this shit out - and we've known since PLD got traded that we need a 2C. Turn over every rock.

It's easy to sit here on the sidelines...well, yeah, but he's got the contacts and the Rolodex. Beat the bushes.

Lets play a game.
You are the Jets GM for the day you pick any 2C you want and I will play the other team's GM and I will tell you who I want from the Jets for the 2C ... I got a funny feeling you are going to be disappointed.
Go.

 

[Jets 31]

I agree that waiting until the deadline to overpay for whatever is available isn’t a great option. It’s also indicative of a team that wasn’t good defensively. I’m not sure we’ve solved that issue either.

It’s easy for people who bristle at any criticism to point out the team is doing very well. But it’s also a fact that Names is not a 2C on any other team. Missing out on Nelson and pretending we never needed him anyway is silly.

Ok i'm going to say this again for you, if the Jets were going to miss the playoffs absolutely fire away with your criticism but when we are tied for 1st overall in the entire league and you bitch i will bristle at criticism. If we play like crap this playoffs absolutely bitch if you want but doing it right now makes no sense other than trying to piss people off.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

It’s easy for people who bristle at any criticism to point out the team is doing very well. But it’s also a fact that Names is not a 2C on any other team. Missing out on Nelson and pretending we never needed him anyway is silly.

Yet here we are, 1st overall in the NHL with Vlad as 2C.

Some of us get tunnel vision (Stanley, 2C) but maybe the Jets know what they’re doing? Just a thought.

 

[Buffdog]

Lets play a game.
You are the Jets GM for the day you pick any 2C you want and I will play the other team's GM and I will tell you who I want from the Jets for the 2C ... I got a funny feeling you are going to be disappointed.
Go.

AND I'll be the 2C if he has trade protection. Once you guys hammer out a deal, come to me and I'll nix it

 

[gojetsgo]

This is a bit of a false dichotomy. The Unknown Poster is saying Chevy's being paid millions to figure this shit out - and we've known since PLD got traded that we need a 2C. Turn over every rock.

It's easy to sit here on the sidelines...well, yeah, but he's got the contacts and the Rolodex. Beat the bushes.

do you really think he doesn't know this is an issue? do you really think he sits and waits until the trade deadline to try to trade for someone?

 

[raideralex99]

Yet here we are, 1st overall in the NHL with Vlad as 2C.

Some of us get tunnel vision (Stanley, 2C) but maybe the Jets know what they’re doing? Just a thought.

We are here just babbling and waiting for the next Jets game and hoping this is the year.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

What have you missed? Pionk plays a lot of toughs, on the best defensive team in the nhl

I meant what have I missed in describing what a Dman should be doing.

Yes, he must be doing something right. I have upgraded my opinions on several of our Dmen over the last couple of years because we have the best defensive team in the NHL. It is not all on Helle. Our backup goalies have good stats too. Somewhere our D corps has to be playing a part. But our conversion to team D under Bones is also a big part of it.

 

[Gm0ney]

do you really think he doesn't know this is an issue? do you really think he sits and waits until the trade deadline to try to trade for someone?

To be fair, everyone waits until the trade deadline to make moves. Trade deadline, draft, offseason. Not much usually happens October-January.

 

[surixon]

Let's be honest most teams have holes. Edmonton has a gaping one in net, I'm sure they'd love to find a vezina goalie. Ditto for the Leafs. They also lack a legit number 1 dmen. Carolina also can't find a legit 2C and are weak at wing past the top line etc. Not just us that can't always fill all our holes.

 

[The Unknown Poster]

This is a bit of a false dichotomy. The Unknown Poster is saying Chevy's being paid millions to figure this shit out - and we've known since PLD got traded that we need a 2C. Turn over every rock.

It's easy to sit here on the sidelines...well, yeah, but he's got the contacts and the Rolodex. Beat the bushes.

Exactly. Thank you!

We "missed out" on Nelson? Lou said in a presser that Colorado was Nelson's first choice.. Chevy never had a chance at him. Even if it came down to best offer on the table, I'm glad he didn't offer up one that would beat colorado's. It would have been 1st + Yager + another piece. That's way too much for a rental

Yes we missed out on him because we wanted him and didn’t get him. That’s a weird thing to argue about. If chevy was comfortable with Names at 2C I wonder what position he wanted Nelson to play?

 

[Whileee]

Let's be honest most teams have holes. Edmonton has a gaping one in net, I'm sure they'd love to find a vezina goalie. Ditto for the Leafs. They also lack a legit number 1 dmen. Carolina also can't find a legit 2C and are weak at wing past the top line etc. Not just us that can't always fill all our holes.

Just think, we could have this guy instead...

 

[robertocarlos]

Jets have to keep AI. He wants to play here and he's a bargain at $2.5 - 3 dollars.

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

I don't think Schenn is going to be a press box player this season or next.

Id probably wait for more than 1 game... but why wouldnt we pb schenn next season if Salo is ready?

Just think, we could have this guy instead...

Now post jake walmans player card...

 

[Mooche]

Just think, we could have this guy instead...

I mentioned it prior in a thread, but if we had Dallas' depth at RD and Chevy didn't address it at the TDL, there would be posters losing their minds here, too.

Lyubushkin, Ceci, Dumba.

That's pretty damn ugly.

 

[roccerfeller]

What’s interesting about Walman is some sharks fans had been quite critical about him from a team perspective. There could have been some concerns he may not have been a good locker room fit.

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

Let's be honest most teams have holes. Edmonton has a gaping one in net, I'm sure they'd love to find a vezina goalie. Ditto for the Leafs. They also lack a legit number 1 dmen. Carolina also can't find a legit 2C and are weak at wing past the top line etc. Not just us that can't always fill all our holes.

I find these arguments to be a bit false... in business or sports you dont try to be 'as good' as your competitors... like if edmonton has a shitty 3rd pairing its not a reason for the jets to aim for that

I mentioned it prior in a thread, but if we had Dallas' depth at RD and Chevy didn't address it at the TDL, there would be posters losing their minds here, too.

Lyubushkin, Ceci, Dumba.

That's pretty damn ugly.

What do you think our TD would have looked like after an injury to morrissey and miller...

 

[DRW204]

I find these arguments to be a bit false... in business or sports you dont try to be 'as good' as your competitors... like if edmonton has a shitty 3rd pairing its not a reason for the jets to aim for that


What do you think our TD would have looked like after an injury to morrissey and miller...

It's a cap league there's not going to be teams with great players at every position.

 

[Mooche]

What do you think our TD would have looked like after an injury to morrissey and miller...

Not sure how this is relevant to my original comment.

My point is, even if they had Nils Lundkvist at RD, it's still an area of weakness on the Stars. Every single team in the league is going to have spots that can be improved in some capacity.

It's all about masking those problems and it just so happens that Dallas has probably the best LHD depth in the league when healthy.

That's their remedy to an apparent weakness with what is at their disposal.

 

[GNP]

Jets have to keep AI. He wants to play here and he's a bargain at $2.5 - 3 dollars.

I think you sign Iafallo at that price range, as he’s very solid. Once the price gets over $ 3 mil, it’s a no for me.

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

Not sure how this is relevant to my original comment.

My point is, even if they had Nils Lundkvist at RD, it's still an area of weakness on the Stars. Every single team in the league is going to have spots that can be improved in some capacity.

It's all about masking those problems and it just so happens that Dallas has probably the best LHD depth in the league when healthy.

That's their remedy to an apparent weakness with what is at their disposal.

Heiskanen played his offside effectively untul this season.. lundqvist was top 4 as well - the difference is the jets intentionally have a weak third pair

Harley-heiskanen
Lindell-lundqvist
Bischel-dumba
Lyubushkin

Thats hardly weak

 

[Xavier Laflamme]

Lyubushkin, Ceci, Dumba.

That's pretty damn ugly.

Yeah their right side is pretty bad, ours is much better with Demelo, Pionk and now Schenn, their left side is not as good as ours either as I would take JoMo and Sammy over Heiskanen and Harley (though granted it's not that big a gap as Miro is very good and I rate Harely as well)

 

[surixon]

I find these arguments to be a bit false... in business or sports you dont try to be 'as good' as your competitors... like if edmonton has a shitty 3rd pairing its not a reason for the jets to aim for that


What do you think our TD would have looked like after an injury to morrissey and miller...

My point was that all these teams are trying just as hard to fill holes and in a competitive market it isn't always possible.

Chevy tried for the best available rental C on the market. He wasn't successful this time, but has been in the past. No GM wins every auction he enters.

 

[Mooche]

Heiskanen played his offside effectively untul this season.. lundqvist was top 4 as well - the difference is the jets intentionally have a weak third pair

Harley-heiskanen
Lindell-lundqvist
Bischel-dumba
Lyubushkin

Thats hardly weak

Oh, so they utilized their LHD top end skill and depth to optimize pairings and cover for their RHD deficiencies?

Heiskanen is a freak of nature. One of the best defenders in the league when healthy. Harley is also coming into his own as an elite dman. Lindell is a safety blanket type of partner. I gave that left side their deserved flowers.

Anyways, my entire point was based on what's at their disposal.  If the Jets had a RHD depth chart of Lyu, Ceci and Dumba, there would be fans pissed off if nothing was addressed heading into a Cup run.

I'm not sure what's outlandish about that.