Speculation: 2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[gojetsgo]

20% of Brayden Schenn's 6.25 million salary is $1.25 million. 20% of Luke Schenn's salary is $550 000. The other 80% has been paid by the team that has been paying them all year. Maybe I am missing something?

you are missing that puckpedia already does the math when they calculate the deadline capspace so you need to look at the AAV of the player and not what is remaining salary this season

 

[gojetsgo]

dreger on insider trading
-checked in on armia/evans
-more interested in depth guys
-checking in on bigger names but the market hasn't truly been defined yet
-see's winnipeg adding a forward maybe defensemen but on the side of depth then making a bigger splash

 

[DRW204]

I don't want to get into knocking Lambert as a prospect too much. He still has potential. But I don't think he has shown enough to be getting penciled in as an Ehlers replacement, or strong 2C candidate. This year's edition of the Moose cloud the picture a bit but the bottom line is that he hasn't achieved at a very high level yet. If he had taken a step forward from last year the Moose might not have been so bad.

I'm hesitant to agree or buy the immediate Ehlers replacement too. Ehlers has been playing with 2 Mason Appletons in Fwd production, and is still near the top of the team in 5v5 scoring rate, a spot he's comfortably been for years on end despite a rotating cast of linemates.

Feel like people overestimate these prospects or young players so hard when there's huge factors to consider or margins of error.

Think this Moose team clouds it more than merely a bit... They have 17 wins, their leading scorer has 23 pts. He won't be playing with that poor of a Jets team relative to NHL standards.

dreger on insider trading
-checked in on armia/evans
-more interested in depth guys
-checking in on bigger names but the marker hasn't truly been defined yet
-see's winnipeg adding a forward maybe defensemen but on the side of depth then making a bigger splash

Evans, Laughton...... Sounds like middle-6 or 3Cs, which makes sense I think.

The known big names other than Rakell are super underwhelming. Keep the 1st IMO, and try to make a deal in the offseason for a 2c or RD. Don't waste on a player who isn't a surefire top 6er and clear upgrade over Perfetti or Names. And the D market is super barren.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I will say I liked Gazdec's suggestion of getting Farraro for the bottom pairing.

I think that even if Stan still plays (one of them on the right) it is an upgrade.

Stanley has played relatively well during this 11 game win streak. I suspect he has some trade value. 6'7 still counts for something. Maybe Stan goes to SJS in the deal. Or maybe he goes to Philly for Laughton.

I am warming up to Laughton a bit. He is more 3C than 2C but he would create some options for Arnie. If we could get him and Ferraro we are harder to play against and more PO ready. At least I would hope so.

 

[surixon]

You have been completely wrong about it. On deadline day you only have to have enough cap space left to acquire the remaining amount on the players contract at that point. For instance if the Jets wanted to acquire Brayden Scheen today the actual cap impact would only be 1.693 mil. It's more complicated than that as as the cap is actually tracked daily and teams under the cap accrue additional space for each day that they are under but for the purposes of deadline discussions it's all pro rated.

True but most cap sites use an annual value for expected deadline cap space. Like the Jets have roughly $11 million. Your Schenn example wouldn't see the Jets have 9.5 ish still after getting Schenn but somewhere around half that amount.

 

[Wpgpage]

That's true if you're looking at Puckpedia they have already done the accrual math in thier deadline space number.

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

you are missing that puckpedia already does the math when they calculate the deadline capspace so you need to look at the AAV of the player and not what is remaining salary this season

Ok. Phew. The world makes sense again. lol.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

If a deal for a player isn't sent to the head office by 3:00 ET, that player is not allowed to play in that season's playoffs.

Yes, but there can then be a delay before the league approves the deal. Just speculating a possible explanation.

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

If a deal for a player isn't sent to the head office by 3:00 ET, that player is not allowed to play in that season's playoffs.

Didn’t a fax machine break one time so I trade didn’t go through?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Agree, it would be nice to see some more goals for sure. He does have a nice shot when he uses it IMO, and you're right about him needing to try and get more into the slot.

I'm ok with moving Lambert as well for a longer term solution at RD or C. When the Flames were further back and Murat and other Athletic writers did their thing on selecting a player to trade for and another writer setting the price, Murat chose Weegar and the price was Lambert. I would have been more than happy to make that trade (add a little as well if required).

I don't think Lambert even gets you close to Weegar. Might be the 3rd piece in a package.

 

[FlappyGiraffe]

I think that even if Stan still plays (one of them on the right) it is an upgrade.

Stanley has played relatively well during this 11 game win streak. I suspect he has some trade value. 6'7 still counts for something. Maybe Stan goes to SJS in the deal. Or maybe he goes to Philly for Laughton.

I am warming up to Laughton a bit. He is more 3C than 2C but he would create some options for Arnie. If we could get him and Ferraro we are harder to play against and more PO ready. At least I would hope so.

I would be on board with adding Laughton + Ferraro, both guys have an extra year under contract and can fill in top 6 / top 4 in a pinch with injuries.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

20% of Brayden Schenn's 6.25 million salary is $1.25 million. 20% of Luke Schenn's salary is $550 000. The other 80% has been paid by the team that has been paying them all year. Maybe I am missing something?

I think it is how TD cap space is calculated that you are missing. You can look at our actual cap space compared to the prorated cap hit of a player OR you can look at our TD cap space compared to the players full cap hit. You can't take advantage both ways.

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

Just tuned in and the nashville colour girl just read her partners teleprompter

'Hi im Hal Gill'

 

[gojetsgo]

"Winnipeg is a slightly different story. Cheveldayoff’s taken big swings before, and you can feel the excitement among the fanbase at the possibility of another. He has to navigate what’s available to him, and will undoubtedly research the sexiest options. But what if those are impossible, due to trade protection or lack of true supply?
I see another possible path. The most mobile, lengthy, physical, nasty defender he can find — fitting the profile of recent Stanley Cup champions who were loaded with them. One or two forwards to make your group a little deeper. Not the marquee names, but “perfect fits,” the sum of the parts making you whole."

 

[Puckatron 3000]

I am warming up to Laughton a bit. He is more 3C than 2C but he would create some options for Arnie. If we could get him and Ferraro we are harder to play against and more PO ready. At least I would hope so.

To put my cards on the table, I don't have the read on players from other teams nearly as much as a lot of other folks posting here do. So I try to avoid conversations in which I don't know what I'm talking about. Like who is worth what and how good they are.

But what I do know is this. If the Jets stayed healthy into and throughout the playoffs, I'm pretty cool with what we got. So I tend to think more in terms of injury, rather than bolstering the team we have (with the associated risks of disrupting chemistry). The team we have is good.

Of course any injury to Helle or Morrissey is almost a game over scenario. So not much you can do about that. Scheif too.

Outside of those critical players, my primary concern is centre. If one of Vlad or Lowry go down, I want a better option than what we got as a replacement. That'd be a huge and avoidable drag if we don't have an option to fill a 2/3C slot in the event of an injury. So we should get insurance. If Laughton is that guy, and the price isn't stupid, we should do it.

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

"Winnipeg is a slightly different story. Cheveldayoff’s taken big swings before, and you can feel the excitement among the fanbase at the possibility of another. He has to navigate what’s available to him, and will undoubtedly research the sexiest options. But what if those are impossible, due to trade protection or lack of true supply?
I see another possible path. The most mobile, lengthy, physical, nasty defender he can find — fitting the profile of recent Stanley Cup champions who were loaded with them. One or two forwards to make your group a little deeper. Not the marquee names, but “perfect fits,” the sum of the parts making you whole."

Really.going out on a limb there

 

[Hunter368]

"Winnipeg is a slightly different story. Cheveldayoff’s taken big swings before, and you can feel the excitement among the fanbase at the possibility of another. He has to navigate what’s available to him, and will undoubtedly research the sexiest options. But what if those are impossible, due to trade protection or lack of true supply?
I see another possible path. The most mobile, lengthy, physical, nasty defender he can find — fitting the profile of recent Stanley Cup champions who were loaded with them. One or two forwards to make your group a little deeper. Not the marquee names, but “perfect fits,” the sum of the parts making you whole."

Yup, that’s what I expect, unless shocked otherwise. Winnipeg GM job is the hardest in the NHL for a reason.

 

[TS Quint]

dreger on insider trading
-checked in on armia/evans
-more interested in depth guys
-checking in on bigger names but the market hasn't truly been defined yet
-see's winnipeg adding a forward maybe defensemen but on the side of depth then making a bigger splash

Insider Trading: "Jets not looking for a goaltender"

Thanks "insiders".

 

[TS Quint]

Anything that Gazdic says on TV - do the opposite. His trade takes for the Jets have not been constructive and Ferraro is no exception.

He hates the Jets. 4th place team last year and he (and Colby Armstrong) predicted them to miss the playoffs this year. Sam Cosentino was looking at them like the both had two heads.

 

[DRW204]

To put my cards on the table, I don't have the read on players from other teams nearly as much as a lot of other folks posting here do. So I try to avoid conversations in which I don't know what I'm talking about. Like who is worth what and how good they are.

But what I do know is this. If the Jets stayed healthy into and throughout the playoffs, I'm pretty cool with what we got. So I tend to think more in terms of injury, rather than bolstering the team we have (with the associated risks of disrupting chemistry). The team we have is good.

Of course any injury to Helle or Morrissey is almost a game over scenario. So not much you can do about that. Scheif too.

Outside of those critical players, my primary concern is centre. If one of Vlad or Lowry go down, I want a better option than what we got as a replacement. That'd be a huge and avoidable drag if we don't have an option to fill a 2/3C slot in the event of an injury. So we should get insurance. If Laughton is that guy, and the price isn't stupid, we should do it.

even if one of vlad or lowry don't go down, having another middle-6 caliber C that can play wing, come in for FOs etc. is desired among teams. kind of make sense why names like Evans or Laughton have been mentioned.

 

[kylbaz]

I think the Jets learned their lesson from last year. They will find playoff guys. Laughton is not a main piece but a good guy to have down in the lineup. Wasn't excited when I first saw his name but that's because I was thinking as our 2C. I'd love to have him down the lineup.

I also think you can't go into the playoffs as Names as your 2C, as well as he has been playing. We've seen these forwards go invisible in the playoffs in the past, would be great to find an actual 2C, or just someone a bit better than Names even.

 

[Mooche]

Just speaks to the tight lid Chevy and co. keep on things here. So much mud slinging and seeing what sticks from media.

We only really hear anything with substance if another GM leaks an offer -- or Dreger gets some crumbs, and in some cases, eventually the full scoop.

 

[bustamente]

3 more games till the deadline, Jets actually play the night of the deadline. Maybe we start to see some smoke over the weekend. I would like to see some more of our UFA's extended before the deadline at least the one the Jets want to keep. Have a feeling the most important one of them is talking a walk.

 

[DRW204]

I think the Jets learned their lesson from last year. They will find playoff guys. Laughton is not a main piece but a good guy to have down in the lineup. Wasn't excited when I first saw his name but that's because I was thinking as our 2C. I'd love to have him down the lineup.

I also think you can't go into the playoffs as Names as your 2C, as well as he has been playing. We've seen these forwards go invisible in the playoffs in the past, would be great to find an actual 2C, or just someone a bit better than Names even.

the Jets 2nd line is/was in the midst of a hot streak over the last 10 games, maybe that's a semblance of their new norm, no clue. however, i am not sure if it's wise to just erase the past 30-40 games where they were quite underwhelming. not sure why Names is constantly getting singled out? offensively Ehlers and Perfetti are the main catalysts, and Names does the 2-way support stuff/offense around the net. his offensive production is similar to Perfetti's yet he's the #1 player to be replaced? the TDL depth is at Wing, not C. I do agree with the crux of your post with a slight concern for the POs but as a line as a trio... Ehlers hasn't had strong PO production, Names either (although i am going to guess he was mostly a bottom-6er), and Perfetti has 1 gp.

 

[voyageur]

I think the Jets learned their lesson from last year. They will find playoff guys. Laughton is not a main piece but a good guy to have down in the lineup. Wasn't excited when I first saw his name but that's because I was thinking as our 2C. I'd love to have him down the lineup.

I also think you can't go into the playoffs as Names as your 2C, as well as he has been playing. We've seen these forwards go invisible in the playoffs in the past, would be great to find an actual 2C, or just someone a bit better than Names even.

I say just give these guys a chance. Lowry and whoever the "2C" is are going to play equal ice time. Especially at home where Lowry will get top dog matchups. People should be more concerned with Mason Appleton matching up against team's best lines, best d-pairings than who is going to play with Ehlers and succeed because figuring out how to play on the same line as Ehlers isn't easy. Give Namestnikov some credit there.

Give me Lowry-Laughton for d-zone matchups. Maybe with Iafallo who was throwing some good sauce up there, and drop the 3rd line wingers to the 4th line.

And then readjust wherever you have to.