Speculation: 2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[ps241]

What makes you think Nik is going to sign now. You want to complicate a season start throwing numbers around in the middle of it. Worked well for Rantanen. I'm sure there was negotiations in the offseason, and it doesn't sound like Nik was interested in signing. But Chevy made the decision to give the team a chance to compete in the playoffs by keeping Nik instead of trading him. Because the offers probably weren't great.

10 goals last playoff came from Scheif/KC/Josh and Big Adam Lowry. 0 from Ehlers.

In fact in the last 3 playoffs Ehlers and Logan Stanley have the same amount of goals. Pionk has 7 more points.

Playoffs do matter. They matter a lot. If this team isn't trying to win in the playoffs what's the point of attending regular season games? For the entertainment of being eliminated in the 1st round? Is that what being a Jets fan is?

Ehlers should be proving himself on his next contract. Not just in the regular season but in the playoffs too.

Schief and Connor had 6 points together in the 1st game last playoffs and they carried us to a win with the help of Georgiev. After that game they were a non factor which is another reason we got swept after one win “again”. Those two have not been nearly good enough in the playoffs since 2017 when they peaked. They are our 1st line stars that get the prime PP minutes and they need to be much better come playoffs.

I think it’s worth restating we keep winning one game in the playoffs and then getting swept. We are not even competitive. It’s embarrassing for everyone INCLUDING our 1st line. They are part of the problem.

Not sucking as bad as Ehlers is way too low a bar for our top two forwards. We need our best to all elevate starting with Helle, then Mark and Kyle, then yes Nik needs to get on a role, after that Morrissey and Lowry and our depth pieces but our best ALL NEED TO ELVATE.

Trade deadline will not move the needle for this team if our best 5 or 6 players don’t play better in the post season than they have in the regular season for once. Team Canada and Team USA just gave us the blueprint. The biggest starts all played passionate 200 foot games and defended with just as much passion as they attacked.

GJG

 

[Adam da bomb]

Schief and Connor had 6 points together in the 1st game last playoffs and they carried us to a win with the help of Georgiev. After that game they were a non factor which is another reason we got swept after one win “again”. Those two have not been nearly good enough in the playoffs since 2017 when they peaked. They are our 1st line stars that get the prime PP minutes and they need to be much better come playoffs.

I think it’s worth restating we keep winning one game in the playoffs and then getting swept. We are not even competitive. It’s embarrassing for everyone INCLUDING our 1st line. They are part of the problem.

Not sucking as bad as Ehlers is way too low a bar for our top two forwards. We need our best to all elevate starting with Helle, then Mark and Kyle, then yes Nik needs to get on a role, after that Morrissey and Lowry and our depth pieces but our best ALL NEED TO ELVATE.

Trade deadline will not move the needle for this team if our best 5 or 6 players don’t play better in the post season than they have in the regular season for once. Team Canada and Team USA just gave us the blueprint. The biggest starts all played passionate 200 foot games and defended with just as much passion as they attacked.

GJG

I would break Schief and kc up in your analysis.kc kept contributing to some level and was one of our few decent players Schief was a non factor in last year’s playoffs.
At that point last year Ehlers was supposed to be better than kc in the rankings around here. Also mo is considered ahead of kc. I’d think Helly, mo and Schief get going then depth like Kc and ehlers will get going.

 

[surixon]

What makes you think Nik is going to sign now. You want to complicate a season start throwing numbers around in the middle of it. Worked well for Rantanen. I'm sure there was negotiations in the offseason, and it doesn't sound like Nik was interested in signing. But Chevy made the decision to give the team a chance to compete in the playoffs by keeping Nik instead of trading him. Because the offers probably weren't great.

10 goals last playoff came from Scheif/KC/Josh and Big Adam Lowry. 0 from Ehlers.

In fact in the last 3 playoffs Ehlers and Logan Stanley have the same amount of goals. Pionk has 7 more points.

Playoffs do matter. They matter a lot. If this team isn't trying to win in the playoffs what's the point of attending regular season games? For the entertainment of being eliminated in the 1st round? Is that what being a Jets fan is?

Ehlers should be proving himself on his next contract. Not just in the regular season but in the playoffs too.

Players have agents specifically to deal with contract talks mid season. So many players negotiate and sign mid season prior to FA.

It didn't work for Rantanen because the two sides couldn't agree, not that he didn't want to negotiate.

If Ehlers doesn't want to negotiate or sign mid season that is well within his purview. But if I were Chevy I wouldn't feel confident I would be able to ink him before FA and I'd thus have to decide whether I want to deal him for assets at the deadline or use him as a self rental.

Yes playoffs are very important but one year of playoffs is an incredibly small sample size to base the entirety of a decision on.

As @ps241 stated everyone needs to perform this year to do anything.

 

[10Ducky10]

Those two have not been nearly good enough in the playoffs since 2017 when they peaked. They are our 1st line stars that get the prime PP minutes and they need to be much better come playoffs.

I think it’s worth restating we keep winning one game in the playoffs and then getting swept. We are not even competitive. It’s embarrassing for everyone INCLUDING our 1st line. They are part of the problem.

Not sucking as bad as Ehlers is way too low a bar for our top two forwards. We need our best to all elevate starting with Helle, then Mark and Kyle, then yes Nik needs to get on a role, after that Morrissey and Lowry and our depth pieces but our best ALL NEED TO ELVATE.

Trade deadline will not move the needle for this team if our best 5 or 6 players don’t play better in the post season than they have in the regular season for once. Team Canada and Team USA just gave us the blueprint. The biggest starts all played passionate 200 foot games and defended with just as much passion as they attacked.

GJG

2018?

 

[Jet]

Schief and Connor had 6 points together in the 1st game last playoffs and they carried us to a win with the help of Georgiev. After that game they were a non factor which is another reason we got swept after one win “again”. Those two have not been nearly good enough in the playoffs since 2017 when they peaked. They are our 1st line stars that get the prime PP minutes and they need to be much better come playoffs.

I think it’s worth restating we keep winning one game in the playoffs and then getting swept. We are not even competitive. It’s embarrassing for everyone INCLUDING our 1st line. They are part of the problem.

Not sucking as bad as Ehlers is way too low a bar for our top two forwards. We need our best to all elevate starting with Helle, then Mark and Kyle, then yes Nik needs to get on a role, after that Morrissey and Lowry and our depth pieces but our best ALL NEED TO ELVATE.

Trade deadline will not move the needle for this team if our best 5 or 6 players don’t play better in the post season than they have in the regular season for once. Team Canada and Team USA just gave us the blueprint. The biggest starts all played passionate 200 foot games and defended with just as much passion as they attacked.

GJG

Yeah that's why I find it hard to pick on one player. Outside of Morrissey and Lowry who really played well enough in that series?

Good news is at least 55 and 81 have shown playoff performance, and Pionk as well. I really feel like Hellebuyck is going to have a monster playoff and at the end of the day he is the single most important factor.

When you're stopping practically everything it gives your team the confidence to play their games and not be worried about every mistake ending up in the back of the net. D can be more aggressive at both bluelines which is a core element of our systems.

Ehlers absolutely has to show something these playoffs. He's yet to be a factor. Perfetti is an unknown, he's still trying to find his regular season consistency so it's hard to say how he is going to react to playoff hockey.

Vilardi seems built for playoff hockey, I guess health is our only concern there.

I still think that if we can find that 2C unicorn we will be in such a better spot. When our first line isn't scoring, it's really hard for us to win consistently, a true 2nd line threat could help take the pressure off.

Besides, if someone like Namestnikov goes down or worse Scheifele, we're in deep doo doo.

 

[surixon]

Schief and Connor had 6 points together in the 1st game last playoffs and they carried us to a win with the help of Georgiev. After that game they were a non factor which is another reason we got swept after one win “again”. Those two have not been nearly good enough in the playoffs since 2017 when they peaked. They are our 1st line stars that get the prime PP minutes and they need to be much better come playoffs.

I think it’s worth restating we keep winning one game in the playoffs and then getting swept. We are not even competitive. It’s embarrassing for everyone INCLUDING our 1st line. They are part of the problem.

Not sucking as bad as Ehlers is way too low a bar for our top two forwards. We need our best to all elevate starting with Helle, then Mark and Kyle, then yes Nik needs to get on a role, after that Morrissey and Lowry and our depth pieces but our best ALL NEED TO ELVATE.

Trade deadline will not move the needle for this team if our best 5 or 6 players don’t play better in the post season than they have in the regular season for once. Team Canada and Team USA just gave us the blueprint. The biggest starts all played passionate 200 foot games and defended with just as much passion as they attacked.

GJG

Well said. Your best have to lead the way which is what happened that tournament. All of Crosby, McKinnon, and McDavid came up big for that team when it mattered. Yes you also need fepth contributions which they got but your stars have to really carry the mail.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Yeah that's why I find it hard to pick on one player. Outside of Morrissey and Lowry who really played well enough in that series?

Good news is at least 55 and 81 have shown playoff performance, and Pionk as well. I really feel like Hellebuyck is going to have a monster playoff and at the end of the day he is the single most important factor.

When you're stopping practically everything it gives your team the confidence to play their games and not be worried about every mistake ending up in the back of the net. D can be more aggressive at both bluelines which is a core element of our systems.

Ehlers absolutely has to show something these playoffs. He's yet to be a factor. Perfetti is an unknown, he's still trying to find his regular season consistency so it's hard to say how he is going to react to playoff hockey.

Vilardi seems built for playoff hockey, I guess health is our only concern there.

I still think that if we can find that 2C unicorn we will be in such a better spot. When our first line isn't scoring, it's really hard for us to win consistently, a true 2nd line threat could help take the pressure off.

Besides, if someone like Namestnikov goes down or worse Scheifele, we're in deep doo doo.

I think kc was better considering that was when we first started seeing him play some d. So expectations were lower of him then Schief.

I don’t remember us getting many pp.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Yeah exactly, that's crazy talk.

The simple fact is that we don't have the luxury to play those types of games with players, we know how good Ehlers is and sure he may not have shown up in the playoffs but neither did anyone else really, with the cap going up there is no reason to not offer Ehlers a Scheifele/Helly type deal right now.

If he is not signed by Mar 7, I think he is an own rental. That doesn't necessarily preclude a signing between the end of the PO and July 1. Rentals are sometimes signed at that time. But it makes it highly unlikely.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

What makes you think Nik is going to sign now. You want to complicate a season start throwing numbers around in the middle of it. Worked well for Rantanen. I'm sure there was negotiations in the offseason, and it doesn't sound like Nik was interested in signing. But Chevy made the decision to give the team a chance to compete in the playoffs by keeping Nik instead of trading him. Because the offers probably weren't great.

10 goals last playoff came from Scheif/KC/Josh and Big Adam Lowry. 0 from Ehlers.

In fact in the last 3 playoffs Ehlers and Logan Stanley have the same amount of goals. Pionk has 7 more points.

Playoffs do matter. They matter a lot. If this team isn't trying to win in the playoffs what's the point of attending regular season games? For the entertainment of being eliminated in the 1st round? Is that what being a Jets fan is?

Ehlers should be proving himself on his next contract. Not just in the regular season but in the playoffs too.

I don't think he is going to sign now. He might. But I think he is an own rental.

What makes you think Chevy has the option of signing Nik after the PO are over? Sure, he can make an offer.

Nik has another disappointing PO, no offer from Chevy. If he has a good PO, no interest from Nik. Either way he is gone.

 

[surixon]

I don't think he is going to sign now. He might. But I think he is an own rental.

What makes you think Chevy has the option of signing Nik after the PO are over? Sure, he can make an offer.

Nik has another disappointing PO, no offer from Chevy. If he has a good PO, no interest from Nik. Either way he is gone.

Agreed, if both sides are waiting for the playoffs before negotiating then he's very likely gone. At that point his agent will be screaming at him to test the market and I'd bet a good many teams would have no issue out bidding us.

 

[ps241]

Yeah that's why I find it hard to pick on one player. Outside of Morrissey and Lowry who really played well enough in that series?

Good news is at least 55 and 81 have shown playoff performance, and Pionk as well. I really feel like Hellebuyck is going to have a monster playoff and at the end of the day he is the single most important factor.

When you're stopping practically everything it gives your team the confidence to play their games and not be worried about every mistake ending up in the back of the net. D can be more aggressive at both bluelines which is a core element of our systems.

Ehlers absolutely has to show something these playoffs. He's yet to be a factor. Perfetti is an unknown, he's still trying to find his regular season consistency so it's hard to say how he is going to react to playoff hockey.

Vilardi seems built for playoff hockey, I guess health is our only concern there.

I still think that if we can find that 2C unicorn we will be in such a better spot. When our first line isn't scoring, it's really hard for us to win consistently, a true 2nd line threat could help take the pressure off.

Besides, if someone like Namestnikov goes down or worse Scheifele, we're in deep doo doo.

What I want our team to do is play really good structure and give Helle the best chance to shine. Last playoffs we were shell shocked from the get go. Is was at game one (that we won) and we were a mess. That first goal MacK scored though the 4-5 man screen was exactly what Colorado did to us. D not getting it done in front of the net, forwards not getting in the shooting lanes and also allowing the higher layered screens. We need our team to play like they have been this season and I honestly think they are more ready this year. I think the Coaches are also allot more adaptive.

Watch them get swept now

 

[Buffdog]

Schief and Connor had 6 points together in the 1st game last playoffs and they carried us to a win with the help of Georgiev. After that game they were a non factor which is another reason we got swept after one win “again”. Those two have not been nearly good enough in the playoffs since 2017 when they peaked. They are our 1st line stars that get the prime PP minutes and they need to be much better come playoffs.

I think it’s worth restating we keep winning one game in the playoffs and then getting swept. We are not even competitive. It’s embarrassing for everyone INCLUDING our 1st line. They are part of the problem.

Not sucking as bad as Ehlers is way too low a bar for our top two forwards. We need our best to all elevate starting with Helle, then Mark and Kyle, then yes Nik needs to get on a role, after that Morrissey and Lowry and our depth pieces but our best ALL NEED TO ELVATE.

Trade deadline will not move the needle for this team if our best 5 or 6 players don’t play better in the post season than they have in the regular season for once. Team Canada and Team USA just gave us the blueprint. The biggest starts all played passionate 200 foot games and defended with just as much passion as they attacked.

GJG

CSV outscored their matchups 5-2 at 5v5 last year vs the Avs

It was Lowrys line who (uncharacteristically) had their shit pushed in.

And Helle's .864 or whatever didn't help

I think that if we got performances from NLA and Helle that were equivalent to their regular season results, it may have been a different series

 

[ps241]

CSV outscored their matchups 5-2 at 5v5 last year vs the Avs

It was Lowrys line who (uncharacteristically) had their shit pushed in.

And Helle's .864 or whatever didn't help

I think that if we got performances from NLA and Helle that were equivalent to their regular season results, it may have been a different series

Maybe but when we keep getting swept year after year and humiliated we need our best to elevate. I thought our top line had one good game. They need to take over a series. Yes Helle needs to be WAY better but our team D needs to help.

The stars don’t get a pass until we learn to compete.

I expect that to be this off season.

 

[CanMerc]

Even Craig Button thinks we need a 2C…on TSN he was saying we should be targeting someone like ROR…so he gets it…unfortunately he also said we should target Savard, so he severely shit the bed on that one…but, 50% isn’t bad

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

What I want our team to do is play really good structure and give Helle the best chance to shine. Last playoffs we were shell shocked from the get go. Is was at game one (that we won) and we were a mess. That first goal MacK scored though the 4-5 man screen was exactly what Colorado did to us. D not getting it done in front of the net, forwards not getting in the shooting lanes and also allowing the higher layered screens. We need our team to play like they have been this season and I honestly think they are more ready this year. I think the Coaches are also allot more adaptive.

Watch them get swept now

I don't think so.
Last year Avs rope-a-doped Jets, whether intentionally or not doesn't matter. That first game, scoring 7 to win by one, got them into a run and gun mindset and they were never able to recover and get back to playing the way that got them there. Obviously, they were not a match for Avs playing that run and gun style.

I think that their style and system is more deeply ingrained this year. If they get away from it they are more likely to be able to get it back.

 

[ps241]

I don't think so.
Last year Avs rope-a-doped Jets, whether intentionally or not doesn't matter. That first game, scoring 7 to win by one, got them into a run and gun mindset and they were never able to recover and get back to playing the way that got them there. Obviously, they were not a match for Avs playing that run and gun style.

I think that their style and system is more deeply ingrained this year. If they get away from it they are more likely to be able to get it back.

I do think this “team” has hit the wall on their playoff vanishing act. Feels to me like they are determined to win not just get there.

 

[flin flon bombers]

I just wìshed that ehlers was traded in the summer for the amount of love he gets he kills alot of plays.the days of when jersey went to the finals when one mistake was the game,or when Philly had that epic overtime, or neely and bourqe getting iv between periods, all those series had one thing in common,and that was one mistake meant the game,now the league is severely water down and mistakes in playoffs are way more frequent, but ehlers gets top line minutes and his brain dead dipsy doodle too no where are prevalent ,but i hope he has a good playoff because I'm sure he is gone after this season for nothing.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I do think this “team” has hit the wall on their playoff vanishing act. Feels to me like they are determined to win not just get there.

Sometimes you have to lose in order to win. Sometimes you need to do it twice.