Speculation: 2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[voyageur]

Whats the consensus in here on Dobson? I don't think he would be a good partner for Morrissey (both are offensively minded, Dobson is weaker defensively) and i'd be hesitant to split up Samberg-Pionk.

Sooner or later De Melo is going to be too slow for top pairing. Salomonsson should get to top 4. Samberg and Pionk don't just work because of Samberg. Pionk is the guy who moves the puck. So there's that dynamic.

I think the Jets organizationally would have a difficult time going outside the org for a defenseman who could be their highest paid.

But I think Dobson's shot would be an asset. Especially with with J Mo out there breaking ankles.

The Jets could avoid the long term dilemma by just playing him in the playoffs and then qualifying Dobson on his last year. Which you know any player is motivated for their next contract=results.

That's a better move than making back to back deadline moves.

I still think this one goes to offseason, just because there's at least 20 teams still battling for playoff spots, and many have already given up assets.

The best deals might come from non playoff teams who have lower draft picks. Bushnevich for Dobson would seem like a Lou trade tbh.

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

We don't have the assets for Dobson. We are talking about a legit 50 plus point big right handed number 1 dmen who is young.

I'm a big Perfetti fan but he doesn't get that conversation started. Ask yourself if an equivalent player on another team would get the conversation started for JoMo? If it doesn't then fat chance Lou even considers it.

I said it gets his attention... and i do believe perfetti will breakout soon

Looks like nyi is in cap trouble so thats why i was starting there... plus not sure dobson and roy are seeing eye to eye

I would compare dobson more to pionk but jomo is fair too.

If jets were in the position isles are in, add lambert and miller and ill make that trade

 

[surixon]

I said it gets his attention... and i do believe perfetti will breakout soon

Looks like nyi is in cap trouble so thats why i was starting there... plus not sure dobson and roy are seeing eye to eye

I would compare dobson more to pionk but jomo is fair too.

If jets were in the position isles are in, add lambert and miller and ill make that trade

I belive he will as well, but he hasn't yet whereas Dobson has almost half a decade worth of number 1 dmen play.

Maybe he and the coach don't see eye to eye but he plays the most coveted position in the league, has size, mobility and elite offense and is sound defensively. There will be a very long lineup to try to get him if he is on the market. Not sure we will be able to out bid teams.

Imo it would Take Conner to get him.

 

[surixon]

I will say this

It won't shock me to see them make a move for Cozens. I think its going to come down to price and I wouldn't be surprised if its a bigger deal.

I think they believe the time is now and bringing in guys under contract is something they would prefer. I believe they think they could help him find himself again as well

Have you heard anything about this. We haven't been linked to him by anyone. It seems Detroit and Calgary have been the main teams so far.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

How much would Chicago have to retain on Seth Jones until you’d be interested?

About 3.5 mil ought to do it.
6'4, 215, scores fairly well, RHS.
I don't think he is bad, just overpaid.
Or am I missing something?

 

[surixon]

About 3.5 mil ought to do it.
6'4, 2015, scores fairly well, RHS.
I don't think he is bad, just overpaid.
Or am I missing something?

I think like many on that tire fire of a team its really hard to get an actual read on his ability. He's still a real mobile guy that can play on a PP.

My guess is he'd look better on a better team like ours. How much better I'm not sure. I'm also not sure if he and JoMo would fit as I think they like to do similar things on the ice.

I wouldn't be opposed to grabbing him as I think at worse he improves our bottom pairing and gives Cole another right shot one timer to work with on pp2.

 

[voyageur]

Have you heard anything about this. We haven't been linked to him by anyone. It seems Detroit and Calgary have been the main teams so far.

That seems right. Both teams are trying to get into playoffs. Both have a lot of assets from being on the outside for years. Both have Cap space.

I think Chevy is cognizant of chemistry and one player can throw it all off.

I also wonder where he stands on his 1st.
He talked about how easy it was to trade it at the deadline, but how hard it was to get one at the draft. Maybe he doesn't want to be at the table empty handed this year. Especially with a potential huge hole to fill in Ehlers looming. And an obvious defensive deficiency looming on the Moose.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Whats the consensus in here on Dobson? I don't think he would be a good partner for Morrissey (both are offensively minded, Dobson is weaker defensively) and i'd be hesitant to split up Samberg-Pionk.

Morrissey and Pionk have played well together in the past. I don't see a problem putting Dobson with Samberg. Dobson would be like a 6'4" Pionk who scores quite a bit more.

Or, send Pionk to NYI in the deal. Use Pionk's money to pay Dobson. I would hesitate to do that with Pionk playing so well this year, fitting in to the room, and apparently being happy to stay here. But it is worth considering. Dobson is also 4.5 years younger. That shouldn't be discounted.

Of course I would want Dobson extended before paying full value for him.

That said, Pulock is still my preference, but he would need to waive to come here.

 

[gojetsgo]

That seems right. Both teams are trying to get into playoffs. Both have a lot of assets from being on the outside for years. Both have Cap space.

I think Chevy is cognizant of chemistry and one player can throw it all off.

I also wonder where he stands on his 1st.
He talked about how easy it was to trade it at the deadline, but how hard it was to get one at the draft. Maybe he doesn't want to be at the table empty handed this year. Especially with a potential huge hole to fill in Ehlers looming. And an obvious defensive deficiency looming on the Moose.

if there is a deal that makes sense chevy will trade a 1st, no if ands or buts about it

 

[Huffer]

I will say this

It won't shock me to see them make a move for Cozens. I think its going to come down to price and I wouldn't be surprised if its a bigger deal.

I think they believe the time is now and bringing in guys under contract is something they would prefer. I believe they think they could help him find himself again as well

I'm not against Cozens, but to me there are some hurdles I think.

1. I don't think any team should be paying a trade price that values him as a 30 goal / 7M dollar player. If anything, the trade cost should be discounted because he's currently taking up more cap space than he is worth.
2. If the Jets acquired him, I think it shuts the door on Ehlers. If Ehlers would be open to re-signing I'd rather have Ehlers, but if not, it's not bad to have Cozens in the fold as there's a better chance he plays on the wing rather than centre.
3. If the Jets trade for Cozens now, and don't resign Ehlers, they'll lose Ehlers (would be unfortunate), and also whatever young assets traded for Cozens. That will be a material impact to the Jets ELC capital.

 

[voyageur]

if there is a deal that makes sense chevy will trade a 1st, no if ands or buts about it

What kind of deal makes sense though? Don't have a real sense of the market. Is there a rental worth a 1st left? Two year deals, hard to ascertain who is actually available.

 

[gojetsgo]

What kind of deal makes sense though? Don't have a real sense of the market. Is there a rental worth a 1st left? Two year deals, hard to ascertain who is actually available.

brock nelson is 100% worth a 1st and we don't have a real sense of who's available that doesn't mean gm's don't. according to bob mckenzie this draft has a real drop off after the 15-20 range and he said that 2nd rounders in this years draft would normally be 3rd rounders in others, probably why sooo many teams have already given up 1st round picks

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I will say this

It won't shock me to see them make a move for Cozens. I think its going to come down to price and I wouldn't be surprised if its a bigger deal.

I think they believe the time is now and bringing in guys under contract is something they would prefer. I believe they think they could help him find himself again as well

That sounds like the woman who marries a man she doesn't really like thinking she can fix him.

I'm wary of Cozens. I think his 1 good year has everyone overrating him. That applies to other teams too. So the price will be too high. There must be potential there but why is he performing so badly then? A change of scene might be all he needs but if they can't fix him we are stuck with an expensive boat anchor.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

We don't have the assets for Dobson. We are talking about a legit 50 plus point big right handed number 1 dmen who is young.

I'm a big Perfetti fan but he doesn't get that conversation started. Ask yourself if an equivalent player on another team would get the conversation started for JoMo? If it doesn't then fat chance Lou even considers it.

I can't argue with that but I'm wondering how it works out if Pionk is the add. That replaces NYI RHD, albeit downgraded. And it adds Perfetti.

Not at all sure I would want to do that right now, with how Jets are playing. Just thinking about how that affects the equation.

 

[surixon]

I'm not against Cozens, but to me there are some hurdles I think.

1. I don't think any team should be paying a trade price that values him as a 30 goal / 7M dollar player. If anything, the trade cost should be discounted because he's currently taking up more cap space than he is worth.
2. If the Jets acquired him, I think it shuts the door on Ehlers. If Ehlers would be open to re-signing I'd rather have Ehlers, but if not, it's not bad to have Cozens in the fold as there's a better chance he plays on the wing rather than centre.
3. If the Jets trade for Cozens now, and don't resign Ehlers, they'll lose Ehlers (would be unfortunate), and also whatever young assets traded for Cozens. That will be a material impact to the Jets ELC capital.

You summed up my thoughts pretty well here. His cap hit means one of Vilardi/Fly is gone as we likely can't afford all 3 at $ 7 million and up.

This team has gotten by with high end depth and defense. It's going to he hard to retain depth taking that kind of risk with him.

It could pay off big time if he blossoms into a 1C.

I'd be ok taking that risk in the offseason if Fly has indicated he'd be moving on but not sure I'd be interested in doing so heading into a playoff run at the deadline.

I can't argue with that but I'm wondering how it works out if Pionk is the add. That replaces NYI RHD, albeit downgraded. And it adds Perfetti.

Not at all sure I would want to do that right now, with how Jets are playing. Just thinking about how that affects the equation.

Pionk is a pending UFA, I'd imagine it doesn't move the lever all that much unless he's inked to an extension. Even then they have Poluck who plays his second pairing role already so not sure they'd be interested.

 

[voyageur]

brock nelson is 100% worth a 1st and we don't have a real sense of who's available that doesn't mean gm's don't. according to bob mckenzie this draft has a real drop off after the 15-20 range and he said that 2nd rounders in this years draft would normally be 3rd rounders in others, probably why sooo many teams have already given up 1st round picks

Not sure he's even available. NTC would say probably not. He's also a proud USA guy with a Miss USA hockey wife and 4 kids.

That's a tough fish to reel in.

I understand what you're saying. I read that too.

But sitting at the table with a 1st round pick is better than sitting at the table with #90+. You're looking ahead at potentially the last year of Stanley/Miller looming. If Salomonsson moves up, there's one d-man to bank on, Freij, for the future. You can fill in some tweener depth but long term it looks like a vacuum. Imagine if the Jets had to endure a season where they used 12 d-men in 2 months like year 1 here. Or year 4. There's barely that many in the organization. Be interesting to see if they can actually sign Lundmark for another year after giving him no opportunity.

Not my job to figure out. Chevy has to look at where he is and where he is going.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

You summed up my thoughts pretty well here. His cap hit means one of Vilardi/Fly is gone as we likely can't afford all 3 at $ 7 million and up.

This team has gotten by with high end depth and defense. It's going to he hard to retain depth taking that kind of risk with him.

It could pay off big time if he blossoms into a 1C.

I'd be ok taking that risk in the offseason if Fly has indicated he'd be moving on but not sure I'd be interested in doing so heading into a playoff run at the deadline.



Pionk is a pending UFA, I'd imagine it doesn't move the lever all that much unless he's inked to an extension. Even then they have Poluck who plays his second pairing role already so not sure they'd be interested.

Pulock has been their #1 until recently. He goes back to #1, Pionk plays #2 and replaces 2/3 of Dobson's scoring and all of his defense. He certainly fills the hole created. I doubt Isles would have any trouble signing him. Lou likes old players.

 

[surixon]

You know what. I actually really like the idea of Seth Jones after thinking about it. The Hawks actually have respectable special teams and he's a big part of both units having the second most PK minutes per game among dmen.

So he'd be able to come in and play and contribute on both units. He's got size , great mobility and can retrieve and break out the puck. So he'd really help the bottom pairing tilt the ice or free up DeMelo to play there if he's a fir with JoMo.

He's actually the multi tool dmen that I've wanted. I also doubt he costs an arm and a leg either even with the necessary retention. Doubt he'd waive to come here though.

Pulock has been their #1 until recently. He goes back to #1, Pionk plays #2 and replaces 2/3 of Dobson's scoring and all of his defense. He certainly fills the hole created. I doubt Isles would have any trouble signing him. Lou likes old players.

I think you sell Dobson's defense far too short. He's a fair bit better then Pionk.

 

[gojetsgo]

Not sure he's even available. NTC would say probably not. He's also a proud USA guy with a Miss USA hockey wife and 4 kids.

That's a tough fish to reel in.

I understand what you're saying. I read that too.

But sitting at the table with a 1st round pick is better than sitting at the table with #90+. You're looking ahead at potentially the last year of Stanley/Miller looming. If Salomonsson moves up, there's one d-man to bank on, Freij, for the future. You can fill in some tweener depth but long term it looks like a vacuum. Imagine if the Jets had to endure a season where they used 12 d-men in 2 months like year 1 here. Or year 4. There's not even that many in the organization. Be interesting to see of they can actually sign Lundmark for another year after giving him no opportunity.

Not my job to figure out. Chevy has to look at where he is and where he is going.

he grew up an hour away from winnipeg, it probably wouldn't be hard to get him to waive for a playoff run if lou does decide to shop him

yes, obviously it's better to have a 1st round pick then not... but that pick would be years away from making the league and that's still a big if that the pick would even make it, especially in a weak draft

stanley/miller are bottom pairing defensemen I really don't think them walking would give them pause to trade a 1st lol

“It depends if there’s players out there that we have access to and fit and warrant the first-rounder,” Cheveldayoff said. “Yeah I think of those decisions … you don’t set out to say, ‘I’m trading my first-round pick.’ It’s vice-versa. It’s the opportunity to acquire or not on something that you feel you need.”

chevy told that to lebrun a couple of weeks ago, so yes, if there is someone that warrants a 1st he will trade it...

 

[voyageur]

Pulock has been their #1 until recently. He goes back to #1, Pionk plays #2 and replaces 2/3 of Dobson's scoring and all of his defense. He certainly fills the hole created. I doubt Isles would have any trouble signing him. Lou likes old players.

I don't see the Jets trading Pionk. That's fan bias. And probably a core locker room player. As our legit #2 in minutes.

If I was trading for Dobson it would be 1st, Chibrikov, Rashevsky, a couple of Ruskies for the Isles future. 1st is a tradeable asset to improve.

De Melo on 3rd pairing would stabilize that pairing.

Just seems too big of a move for Chevy to make.

 

[voyageur]

he grew up an hour away from winnipeg, it probably wouldn't be hard to get him to waive for a playoff run if lou does decide to shop him

yes, obviously it's better to have a 1st round pick then not... but that pick would be years away from making the league and that's still a big if that the pick would even make it, especially in a weak draft

stanley/miller are bottom pairing defensemen I really don't think them walking would give them pause to trade a 1st lol

“It depends if there’s players out there that we have access to and fit and warrant the first-rounder,” Cheveldayoff said. “Yeah I think of those decisions … you don’t set out to say, ‘I’m trading my first-round pick.’ It’s vice-versa. It’s the opportunity to acquire or not on something that you feel you need.”

chevy told that to lebrun a couple of weeks ago, so yes, if there is someone that warrants a 1st he will trade it...

Maybe he'd rather go to Minnesota though? Being from Warroad I'm not sure he wants to be traded to Winnipeg because of where his parents lived. Maybe he wants to stay East with his family, like Toffoli wanted to. Rags and Jersey are looking for centers too.


I'll wait and see. To me it's a tough choice. And everything comes down to right fit. We'll see who fits or doesn't in Chevy's eyes.

 

[gojetsgo]

Maybe he'd rather go to Minnesota though? Being from Warroad I'm not sure he wants to be traded to Winnipeg because of where his parents lived. Maybe he wants to stay East with his family, like Toffoli wanted to. Rags and Jersey are looking for centers too.


I'll wait and see. To me it's a tough choice. And everything comes down to right fit. We'll see who fits or doesn't in Chevy's eyes.

I could see him wanting to go there but they also don't have a 1st and hardly any cap space to make a deal, lebrun listed wild/jets/stars/leafs after people being interested, rangers already traded a 1st and have miller trochek and zib they can run down the middle, devils are looking for more of a 3c then a 2c

also it doesn't even have to be nelson they use a 1st on, it just has to be a deal that makes sense

 

[MardyBum]

I dunno... would you trade Samberg for Perfetti, Heinola and a late 1st? I probably wouldn't...


I think both guys are full NMC. not that we can't have a preference. Just saying.

I wouldn't trade Dobson in the first place. Lou Lam is one of a kind

 

[surixon]

I could see him wanting to go there but they also don't have a 1st and hardly any cap space to make a deal, lebrun listed wild/jets/stars/leafs after people being interested, rangers already traded a 1st and have miller trochek and zib they can run down the middle, devils are looking for more of a 3c then a 2c

also it doesn't even have to be nelson they use a 1st on, it just has to be a deal that makes sense

There is the possibility that he doesn't even move as the Islanders are still very much in the playoff picture.

 

[Adam da bomb]

We don't have the assets for Dobson. We are talking about a legit 50 plus point big right handed number 1 dmen who is young.

I'm a big Perfetti fan but he doesn't get that conversation started. Ask yourself if an equivalent player on another team would get the conversation started for JoMo? If it doesn't then fat chance Lou even considers it.

Fetti has been producing a lot lately.