Speculation: 2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[Gm0ney]

How is Vancouver even considering "blowing it up" - they're in a WC spot, they've got a pretty good core of talented players...and some locker room issues? Sounds like a job for Bones!

There's a lot of things I would try before I got to blowing it up.

 

[voyageur]

Gotta love it. Quinn Hughes, Brandt Clarke, after an offseason of signing Haydn Fleury, Colin Miller, Dylan Coghlan.

I'll predict the Jets sign Scott Perunovich this offseason if they move Heinola at the deadline.

 

[Flair Hay]

If there is a chance to acquire Clarke the Jets should look into it for sure. Unclear why every trade acquisition starts with moving Perfetti though. As for bringing in lambert, I am sure he is going to be a good player one day but he has 3 goals in 30 games in the AHL all while playing high minutes and 1st pp. This place has crucified Cole for his scoring even though he has more G per game and points per game in the NHL than Lambert does in the AHL.. What makes anyone think Lambert is going to come in and score more or at a higher rate than he has in the AHL? Could you imagine the pitchforks on here for lambert next year if he s 3 goals in 30 games?

I think Lambert made huge strides in his late D+1 and his D+2. I agree though that overall he projects as more of a guy with tools to be a great 3rd liner. May take several years to get to that "probably game" coaches want to see in the bottom six on a contender.

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

when somebody says we don't have the prospects to get quinn hughes and one of your counter arguments is "he wants out and doesn't want to be in a rebuild" what do you think that implies?

Considering the Canucks actual position on this is:

“If we were going to completely start over that means he (Quinn) goes. We’d like to figure out a way that he’s here forever." - Jim Rutherford

The implication I take is that Rutherford doesn't want to trade for prospects/picks, so playoff teams not wanting to blow up their roster are likely out & instead a trade for established players occurs with a non contender.

You'd assume Miller's NMC would block that scenario, but a team presently in rebuild mode that has faith in a return to form for Petterson would be in the mix allows the Canucks to remain in the playoff race both this year & beyond.

 

[Whileee]

Considering the Canucks actual position on this is:

“If we were going to completely start over that means he (Quinn) goes. We’d like to figure out a way that he’s here forever." - Jim Rutherford

The implication I take is that Rutherford doesn't want to trade for prospects/picks, so playoff teams not wanting to blow up their roster are likely out & instead a trade for established players occurs with a non contender.

You'd assume Miller's NMC would block that scenario, but a team presently in rebuild mode that has faith in a return to form for Petterson would be in the mix allows the Canucks to remain in the playoff race both this year & beyond.

The Canucks have a clear need to make a big move with Pettersson and/or Miller. They aren't going to consider any move with Hughes. I just don't see the Jets as having any connection to Pettersson or Miller.

Murat includes Boeser as a potential trade target for the Jets. I could see the Jets having an interest if he would be willing to extend his contract with the Jets. Apparently, the Jets have liked him since before he was drafted. But if he's a pure rental then I'd put him in the Toffoli bin of rentals, and probably not worth much more to the Jets as a rental. Also, acquiring Boeser would push Perfetti down the lineup as Toffoli did last year, and I don't see that as a step forward.

One possibility might be acquiring Boeser and trading Ehlers to acquire a 2C or RD. I've always had concerns with Boeser's lack of speed and putting him on a line with Perfetti would really slow down the Jets F group.

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

How is Vancouver even considering "blowing it up" - they're in a WC spot, they've got a pretty good core of talented players...and some locker room issues? Sounds like a job for Bones!

There's a lot of things I would try before I got to blowing it up.

Id legit trade petterson - if the return is suzuki/guhle or cozens/byram those both make vancouver better

Gotta love it. Quinn Hughes, Brandt Clarke, after an offseason of signing Haydn Fleury, Colin Miller, Dylan Coghlan.

I'll predict the Jets sign Scott Perunovich this offseason if they move Heinola at the deadline.

Perunovich seems too small for the jets plan...

 

[voyageur]

I think Lambert made huge strides in his late D+1 and his D+2. I agree though that overall he projects as more of a guy with tools to be a great 3rd liner. May take several years to get to that "probably game" coaches want to see in the bottom six on a contender.

I'd like to see him in that spot with Lowry-Nino, but I suspect it's Appleton who comes back, work with what has got you to the playoffs.

Lambert as a 4th liner might get outplayed by a kid like Ford, who is probably NHL ready next year, and fits the special teams mold. Though I could see a scenario where Gus gets the 4C job and Kupari moves to the wing on a 4th line.

I'd say Lambert's spot is top 6, and his competition is Yager next year. Yager being better at faceoffs, and a PKer might be the more ideal 2C organizationally. Lambert's speed up the middle could give him an edge though if he figures out the defensive side of the game. 2nd line will likely continue to be protected under Arniel. Also expect a more veteran center to be in that mix, maybe Namestnikov again, or someone else. If Ehlers re-signs or is replaced by Chibrikov, maybe the Moose start with Barlow-Yager-Lambert as a top line next year, which would be something to watch. Or maybe Lambert is the potential Ehlers replacement, with a better center acquired.

I wonder if the Pens would be interested in Chaz Lucius, with Mc Groarty there, and his brother is in the organization. Would give him a chance to restart his career. I'm not interested in undersized Pettersson, but they have some decent players, with playoff experience.

The Canucks have a clear need to make a big move with Pettersson and/or Miller. They aren't going to consider any move with Hughes. I just don't see the Jets as having any connection to Pettersson or Miller.

Murat includes Boeser as a potential trade target for the Jets. I could see the Jets having an interest if he would be willing to extend his contract with the Jets. Apparently, the Jets have liked him since before he was drafted. But if he's a pure rental then I'd put him in the Toffoli bin of rentals, and probably not worth much more to the Jets as a rental. Also, acquiring Boeser would push Perfetti down the lineup as Toffoli did last year, and I don't see that as a step forward.

One possibility might be acquiring Boeser and trading Ehlers to acquire a 2C or RD. I've always had concerns with Boeser's lack of speed and putting him on a line with Perfetti would really slow down the Jets F group.

Boeser would be interesting, because he's at the very least interchangeable with Valardi. Could also let Vilardi play C on a 2nd line if surrounded by the right players, perhaps Namestnikov to cover the middle of the ice. Or maybe with Ehlers-Perfetti as a purely offensive zone line.

Could spell the end for Perfetti in the top 6 though as you mentioned, which isn't so bad if the Jets are legit contenders.

Would be a guy who likely started on PP2 though, after being relied upon on the Canucks top PP. It does give the Jets a replacement if Vilardi ever gets injured, knock on wood, because there's nobody down the lineup who can fill in there.

 

[James Lahey]

I think Lambert made huge strides in his late D+1 and his D+2. I agree though that overall he projects as more of a guy with tools to be a great 3rd liner. May take several years to get to that "probably game" coaches want to see in the bottom six on a contender.

Perfetti isn't flashy and that works against him. You see someone like Lambert or Ehlers and how he can fly and assume one day he'll process the game as fast as he skates. The way someone like Laine shot had the same effect. Perfetti processes the game much better and his good positioning comes across as more boring. He's also undersized which also isn't super appealing to most fans.

Clarke would be a fund and interesting add though. I can't imagine Winnipeg would be anywhere near a list for potential trades given how the Dubois trade ended up recently. They won't want to get fleeced twice.

 

[Huffer]

If there is a chance to acquire Clarke the Jets should look into it for sure. Unclear why every trade acquisition starts with moving Perfetti though. As for bringing in lambert, I am sure he is going to be a good player one day but he has 3 goals in 30 games in the AHL all while playing high minutes and 1st pp. This place has crucified Cole for his scoring even though he has more G per game and points per game in the NHL than Lambert does in the AHL.. What makes anyone think Lambert is going to come in and score more or at a higher rate than he has in the AHL? Could you imagine the pitchforks on here for lambert next year if he s 3 goals in 30 games?

Agree with everything you're saying 100%

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

The Canucks have a clear need to make a big move with Pettersson and/or Miller. They aren't going to consider any move with Hughes. I just don't see the Jets as having any connection to Pettersson or Miller.

Murat includes Boeser as a potential trade target for the Jets. I could see the Jets having an interest if he would be willing to extend his contract with the Jets. Apparently, the Jets have liked him since before he was drafted. But if he's a pure rental then I'd put him in the Toffoli bin of rentals, and probably not worth much more to the Jets as a rental. Also, acquiring Boeser would push Perfetti down the lineup as Toffoli did last year, and I don't see that as a step forward.

One possibility might be acquiring Boeser and trading Ehlers to acquire a 2C or RD. I've always had concerns with Boeser's lack of speed and putting him on a line with Perfetti would really slow down the Jets F group.

Clearly the Canucks are looking to move on from one/both of Miller/Petterson, but pointed out doing so obviously comes with the risk of the team moving into rebuild mode, which begat rumours that Quinn would want out.

Hence why I suggested Rutherford's comment might indicate an actual hockey trade occurs, settling down the talk of rebuilt.

I read Murat's column today as well, where he mentions Miller, Nelson, O'Reilly, Cozens, Gourde, Frederic, Boeser, Grandlund, Petterson & then a handful of bottom 6 forwards. I think our bottom 6 depth is fine so only listed the marquee names in Ates' artcicle.

Starting with Boeser, it's at best a lateral move on the ice to trade Ehlers & also trade for Boeser. If the plan is to let Ehlers walk to free agency & have both Boeser & Ehlers in the lineup until the seasons end, this still doesn't solve the immediate need at C2. Perfetti would likely fall to a bottom 6 role & two players with grossly dissimilar games in Boeser with Ehlers would be playing on the same line unless CSV gets broken up. I really don't like trading Ehlers before the deadline. Doing so breaks up the leagues top PP while also making a monumental change to the teams chemistry. No issues with Boeser in the off season, but until then I'd pass.

Of the remainder listed, Miller's contract term is thoroughly unappealing. Likely the best add now (if his problems don't follow him here), but in the long term no thanks. Nelson's a great fit & the speedy centreman would fit in well with Ehlers. 3) O'Reilly would be great, but the last time he was traded 2 prospects & 3 drafts picks (1st, 2nd & 3rd) were part of the package. With term it could be costlier & he has a full NMC to block coming here. Cozens, Gourde & Frederic don't move the needle much over Namestikov, but 2025 UFA Granlund would be a nice acquisition. Lastly I can't see the Jets having what's necessary to trade for Petterson.

Of the bunch Nelson would be my favourite. What was your takeaway on the article?

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

Regarding Boeser, here's the Athletics player card side by side with Ehlers.

 

[voyageur]

Clearly the Canucks are looking to move on from one/both of Miller/Petterson, but pointed out doing so obviously comes with the risk of the team moving into rebuild mode, which begat rumours that Quinn would want out.

Hence why I suggested Rutherford's comment might indicate an actual hockey trade occurs, settling down the talk of rebuilt.

I read Murat's column today as well, where he mentions Miller, Nelson, O'Reilly, Cozens, Gourde, Frederic, Boeser, Grandlund, Petterson & then a handful of bottom 6 forwards. I think our bottom 6 depth is fine so only listed the marquee names in Ates' artcicle.

Starting with Boeser, it's at best a lateral move on the ice to trade Ehlers & also trade for Boeser. If the plan is to let Ehlers walk to free agency & have both Boeser & Ehlers in the lineup until the seasons end, this still doesn't solve the immediate need at C2. Perfetti would likely fall to a bottom 6 role & two players with grossly dissimilar games in Boeser with Ehlers would be playing on the same line unless CSV gets broken up. I really don't like trading Ehlers before the deadline. Doing so breaks up the leagues top PP while also making a monumental change to the teams chemistry. No issues with Boeser in the off season, but until then I'd pass.

Of the remainder listed, Miller's contract term is thoroughly unappealing. Likely the best add now (if his problems don't follow him here), but in the long term no thanks. Nelson's a great fit & the speedy centreman would fit in well with Ehlers. 3) O'Reilly would be great, but the last time he was traded 2 prospects & 3 drafts picks (1st, 2nd & 3rd) were part of the package. With term it could be costlier & he has a full NMC to block coming here. Cozens, Gourde & Frederic don't move the needle much over Namestikov, but 2025 UFA Granlund would be a nice acquisition. Lastly I can't see the Jets having what's necessary to trade for Petterson.

Of the bunch Nelson would be my favourite. What was your takeaway on the article?

I just read it. Nothing different from reading HF. Build your 2nd line around guys who can play with Ehlers, with no mention of Ehlers disappearing in the playoffs. I do like that he actually acknowledged roles, from PP to PK for said players, because inevitably roles come in to play.

That said, same team different lineup:

Connor-Scheif-Valardi
Ehlers-Lowry-Nino
Iafallo-Namestnikov-Perfetti
Barron-Kupari-Appleton

Two offensive lines, two defensive lines, only difference is Ehlers with Lowry gets more ice time, and matches up against top d-pairings.

Makes the 2C discussion a non starter, and only requires depth acquistions up front.

Defense should still be the #1 add for Chevy at the deadline, imo.

 

[Adam da bomb]

I just read it. Nothing different from reading HF. Build your 2nd line around guys who can play with Ehlers, with no mention of Ehlers disappearing in the playoffs. I do like that he actually acknowledged roles, from PP to PK for said players, because inevitably roles come in to play.

That said, same team different lineup:

Connor-Scheif-Valardi
Ehlers-Lowry-Nino
Iafallo-Namestnikov-Perfetti
Barron-Kupari-Appleton

Two offensive lines, two defensive lines, only difference is Ehlers with Lowry gets more ice time, and matches up against top d-pairings.

Makes the 2C discussion a non starter, and only requires depth acquistions up front.

Defense should still be the #1 add for Chevy at the deadline, imo.

I’d switch ia and Barron.

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

Defense should still be the #1 add for Chevy at the deadline, imo.

they’ll be an Ates article on defensemen in the next day or so.

I’m curious if Walman will be mentioned.

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

they’ll be an Ates article on defensemen in the next day or so.

I’m curious if Walman will be mentioned.

Still.blown away that Detroit moved on from him... for nothing.

 

[KingBogo]

If there is a chance to acquire Clarke the Jets should look into it for sure. Unclear why every trade acquisition starts with moving Perfetti though. As for bringing in lambert, I am sure he is going to be a good player one day but he has 3 goals in 30 games in the AHL all while playing high minutes and 1st pp. This place has crucified Cole for his scoring even though he has more G per game and points per game in the NHL than Lambert does in the AHL.. What makes anyone think Lambert is going to come in and score more or at a higher rate than he has in the AHL? Could you imagine the pitchforks on here for lambert next year if he s 3 goals in 30 games?

Most trade proposals include Perfetti for the mere fact he is the easiest to include. He isn't truly a part of the core at this point and he has been a little underwhelming, but he has enough of a track record along with draft pedigree so we all assume he holds onto enough value to impact a trade. None of our prospects will have the same value so they don't move the trade needle near as much.

 

[Frank Cannon PI]

Connor-Scheif-Valardi
Ehlers-Lowry-Nino
Iafallo-Namestnikov-Perfetti
Barron-Kupari-Appleton

Two offensive lines, two defensive lines, only difference is Ehlers with Lowry gets more ice time, and matches up against top d-pairings.

Makes the 2C discussion a non starter, and only requires depth acquistions up front.

Defense should still be the #1 add for Chevy at the deadline, imo.

I definitely agree with the first (bolded) part, in large part because if you're the team is going to commit to the way Ehlers plays, I can't see any traditional center that would work well with him. I have a similar outlook on how he plays, as you do; thinking about previous posts you've made.

Just curious, which defenceman that's out there, did you have in mind? Or more specifically, what kind of archetype would you be targeting?

I was thinking today, how Hellebuyck is probably in the Hart conversation this year, the Jets (as of today) are 1st in Goals For, and that no matter how good we look now, the same defensive problems are likely to arise no different than last year in the playoffs; save for if we get a more favorable match-up in style. It would be a waste to not try to find a way of upgrading the defense, especially to let our franchise player know that we've got him in mind first.

It's too bad we can't pick off someone like a Mark Tinordi (v. 1990-91) that's being underutilized on another team; and that we could get for cheap.