Speculation: 2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[Royale With Cheese]

I think Nik signs here.

If he does, trade Perfetti and a 1st for a young top 6 C like Cozens and we’ll have two great lines. Would Perfetti and a 1st be enough?

 

[Jet]

I'd say for sure Nelson is the better player this year. Only thing I'd say is that he has some trade protection and with a wife and 4 kids in New York, maybe he just moves around NYC at the deadline, say to NJ.

Listening to Arniel talk in the pregame he definitely wasn't married to the idea of having Ehlers in a shut down role.

I think Granlund might be a target if the Jets look for a center who can fit between Nino and Ehlers, to provide secondary scoring.

Which would allow Arny to use Iafallo with Lowry and Apples in a more shutdown role.

And have a top 6, botttom 6 like we saw for much of the year.

I don't mind the idea of Barron-Namestnikov-Kupari as the 4th line, a pure skating 4th line, that can be physical too. I'd think they could keep the puck out of the back of the net.

Perfetti should probably be on the outside looking in when the Jets finalize a playoff roster, the way his season has gone.

But I'd like an honest assessment...

When comparing the Jets top 4 defense to other teams in the division where do our guys rank against Dallas, who are running Lindell-Heiskanen, Harley-Lybushkin, or Colorado with Toews-Makar, Girard-Manson? Minnesota who are missing their 2nd pairing of Brodin-Spurgeon are on the older side, so I think the advantage would still be in the Jets favour, but there has to be some discussion here about what that loyalty top 4 can do in the playoffs. Samberg has not had a good playoff yet. Pionk has not had a great playoff yet. De Melo has not had a great playoff yet. Morrissey is the only guy who has shown another level in the playoffs.

I think if the Jets are still invested in Perfetti (which I think the are) he absolutely has to be on the roster come playoffs. It might not be in a top 6 role but he has to get that experience. I think he has enough defensive chops to play on the 4th line, and maybe playing with Kupari and Barron they can cause the opposition some fits. He can round out with some PP2 time.

As for our top 4 - I'm not worried at all. Demelo has looked a lot more like his usual self and his chemistry with Norrissey make them an extremely capable top pair.

Pionk has indeed had a good playoff. Sure, it was the bubble playoff but his work on McDavid was sublime. The play of that pair this season has done nothing but give me confidence that they will be very good in the post season (if the Jets as a whole figure out how compete in the postseason).

In a perfect world, I'd love a big, rangy, competent RHD to play with Morrissey, and have Smoke stabilize whomever wins the bottom 5 battle (hopefully Heinola). I would be concerned that that pair might get a bit exposed size wise, but if Heinola wins the spot I think we can assume that his game has improved to the point where his retrievals and exits can compensate for a lack of size on that pair.

 

[Jet]

There was a wobble from De Melo, I believe it was in game 3, in a one goal game, with momentum on the Jets side, that led to an odd man rush goal, which is the most dangerous type of goal on Hellebuyck. That one stood out to me. Pionk's game 5 was brutal, and I think that one still lingers too.

Honestly if you measure the Jets RD against the other contenders, the skating deficit is something to consider. Obviously with structure it doesn't look as bad, but I think last year showed that structure can fall apart with opposing speed. One change the Jets have made is to be quicker up front, and to grind more in the other end. And the defense is somewhat quicker too from 4-6, with Big Stan being the exception. Not saying it is going to happen, but there is the possibility of adding a top 4 d-man to pair with Josh, for more minutes, and running Sammy/De Melo as shutdown, and having Stanley/Pionk as your 3rd pairing, with Miller as depth for the playoffs. Because losing De Melo in 2021 had a big impact on the Jets playoff success beyond losing Scheif. And beyond Miller I'm not sure what the comfort level is with Coghlan/Heinola in the playoffs.

I think when comparing Dallas and Colorado you could argue that the Jets lack the 3rd wheel defensively to generate offense, and you see that when the Jets have to play from behind. Jiricek in Minnesota might get into that discussion too.

That said I don't know if the Jets have the assets to acquire a top 4 d-man and top 6 forward at the deadline. And what the effect will be competing down the road against teams that are drafting better, and more often.

I think the defensive woes in the Colorado series was more about a systemic failure than a defense core inadequacy. Morrissey was right there as victim, and it was because we giving the Avs full licence to build speed through the neutral zone. The lack of F support all over the ice was causing us to back off the line, be slow to retrievals, give bigger gaps, not be able to pinch off the Avs on exits.

 

[DRW204]

yea, I 100% don't see a way we trade him especially since perfetti has struggled to produce yet again, I could see them waiting for clarity on the next cap before they start talking contracts with the key ufa/rfa's, could be seeing a big rise which would make an ehlers extension much easier to do

but on the other hand remember a few weeks ago friedman telling a story how he heard last year a team signed one of their ufa's and the others were upset they didn't receive offers and he believes that team to be the jets which makes sense with nino getting a contract and dillon/demelo waiting wanting to sign

yes it was the Jets, and he brought it up last year too after nino was signed. mentioned it before, i think dillon was one of those players given how much he enjoyed the org. and wanted to be back. i do think Demelo may have wanted to be extended early as well, with 1 young kid and another on the way at the time. Probably would have wanted that peace of mind with certainty of where he was playing.

that's why i was kind of not expecting any early/in-season signings this year to avoid any distractions and stuff.

You should try watching him play sometime.

would rather walk outside w/o a jacket and shoes than watch Buffalo play.

regardless, his production isn't nabbing all that. never said i didn't want him, but this is a buy-low player when you want to trade a price a step below Eichel, for a player that's tiers below him. if his play is all that, why is buffalo trading him then? to get burned like they did in all their other trades.

Poll it up, see who agrees with that price for Cozens given his current production and situation/

 

[Jets 31]

If Toews was able to make a comeback i wonder if he would be enough to create a good second line. He hasn't played in almost 2 years.

 

[Jetabre]

I can't imagine Toews being any good at this point considering age and time away from the league, was already on the decline before stepping away

 

[Flair Hay]

would rather walk outside w/o a jacket and shoes than watch Buffalo play.

regardless, his production isn't nabbing all that. never said i didn't want him, but this is a buy-low player when you want to trade a price a step below Eichel, for a player that's tiers below him. if his play is all that, why is buffalo trading him then? to get burned like they did in all their other trades.

Poll it up, see who agrees with that price for Cozens given his current production and situation/

Interestingly enough, Monahan was a pro comparison I saw used for Cozens in his draft year. Similar slot, tall, range, not really physical, good shot, solid vision, good all around but not great defensively.

 

[Gm0ney]

“Can you make one move? Can you make two moves? Do you want to make one big move, do you want to make two other moves? And again, who’s out there."

Textbook Chevyquote.

Also:
“It’s a group that you want to win so badly for. I feel indebted to them for what they’ve given the organization, the community. I feel that it’s my obligation to try to help them achieve their goals of trying to win the Cup."

Uh...*their goals*? What's your f***ing goal, Chevy?? It sounds like he would otherwise be indifferent on helping these guys win the Cup but they've worked hard and now they've convinced him to give it a shot...lol

 

[Howard Chuck]

I think the defensive woes in the Colorado series was more about a systemic failure than a defense core inadequacy. Morrissey was right there as victim, and it was because we giving the Avs full licence to build speed through the neutral zone. The lack of F support all over the ice was causing us to back off the line, be slow to retrievals, give bigger gaps, not be able to pinch off the Avs on exits.

I appreciate your take on Defense. You always give me something new to watch for in games.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

I think he gave us a lot in those quotes. There is big moves to make but it will gut there drafting and prospects. There is probably a lot of internal discussion with management and ownership on what they are going to do especially after making big moves last season and failing.

 

[Jet]

yes it was the Jets, and he brought it up last year too after nino was signed. mentioned it before, i think dillon was one of those players given how much he enjoyed the org. and wanted to be back. i do think Demelo may have wanted to be extended early as well, with 1 young kid and another on the way at the time. Probably would have wanted that peace of mind with certainty of where he was playing.

that's why i was kind of not expecting any early/in-season signings this year to avoid any distractions and stuff.


would rather walk outside w/o a jacket and shoes than watch Buffalo play.

regardless, his production isn't nabbing all that. never said i didn't want him, but this is a buy-low player when you want to trade a price a step below Eichel, for a player that's tiers below him. if his play is all that, why is buffalo trading him then? to get burned like they did in all their other trades.

Poll it up, see who agrees with that price for Cozens given his current production and situation/

Yeah Cozens kind of worries me for that price. We already have Perfetti to worry about. If Cozens returns to potential then I think you can say that's a good deal but that's a pretty big if.

I appreciate your take on Defense. You always give me something new to watch for in games.

Well, also consider that I'm a defenseman who always bitches at my forwards for not helping

 

[Crocket]

I'd say for sure Nelson is the better player this year. Only thing I'd say is that he has some trade protection and with a wife and 4 kids in New York, maybe he just moves around NYC at the deadline, say to NJ.

Listening to Arniel talk in the pregame he definitely wasn't married to the idea of having Ehlers in a shut down role.

I think Granlund might be a target if the Jets look for a center who can fit between Nino and Ehlers, to provide secondary scoring.

Which would allow Arny to use Iafallo with Lowry and Apples in a more shutdown role.

And have a top 6, botttom 6 like we saw for much of the year.

I don't mind the idea of Barron-Namestnikov-Kupari as the 4th line, a pure skating 4th line, that can be physical too. I'd think they could keep the puck out of the back of the net.

Perfetti should probably be on the outside looking in when the Jets finalize a playoff roster, the way his season has gone.

But I'd like an honest assessment...

When comparing the Jets top 4 defense to other teams in the division where do our guys rank against Dallas, who are running Lindell-Heiskanen, Harley-Lybushkin, or Colorado with Toews-Makar, Girard-Manson? Minnesota who are missing their 2nd pairing of Brodin-Spurgeon are on the older side, so I think the advantage would still be in the Jets favour, but there has to be some discussion here about what that loyalty top 4 can do in the playoffs. Samberg has not had a good playoff yet. Pionk has not had a great playoff yet. De Melo has not had a great playoff yet. Morrissey is the only guy who has shown another level in the playoffs.

To be fair, Pionk at times was out best defenseman in the playoffs. Against Vegas when our top players were all injured, including Josh, he played other worldly in our 3 goal comeback to force triple OT.
In OT samberg had a horrific giveaway on the tape for the Vegas winning goal.

He shutdown McDavid really well in 2021.

He's probably been out best current roster player in the playoffs

Pionk definitely had a great playoff against Edmonton during the Covid Canadian season, otherwise I'm inclined to agree.

DeMelo has had quiet playoffs which I take as a good thing - he's been not noticeable either good or bad. That's not next level but neither has it hurt the team.

Samberg to me is still young. I don't think you can judge him on the basis of the Colorado playoff round, the entire team was crap from Hellebuyck to Scheifele. I don't recall if he played the year prior in the playoffs but I expect he was 3rd pairing at best and after game one we didn't play effectively.

I'd go Colorado>Winnipeg=Dallas>Minnesota.

I don't see the Jets making a move for a D-man to be honest. We signed the guy we traded for last year (and didn't really play until this year when he re-signed). We've got a glut of bottom pairing guys.

He was not good the year before against the Knights. The famous triple overtime giveaway was nightmarish

 

[Xavier Laflamme]

why is buffalo trading him then? to get burned like they did in all their other trades.

Poll it up, see who agrees with that price for Cozens given his current production and situation/

Who knows why Buffalo does half the shit they do, that's one inept organization, but yeah price wise I don't think anyone will be offering that much, rumor has it that they want roster players and possibly another center in return, they certainly don't need more youth/prospects.

I would definitely do Fetts + Vladdy + 2nd or 3rd, maybe that gets it done?

 

[oldunclehue]

Jets need a legit back-up or 1B goalie. Not sure how we get there, but if Helle goes down at any point, Comrie is not a starting goalie.

If Jarry is waived and sent down, is there something there we can do with the Pens eating a lot of his salary?

Demko want out of Van, anything there?

 

[sipowicz]

I can't imagine Toews being any good at this point considering age and time away from the league, was already on the decline before stepping away

No kidding a hard NO on this D Toews talk nonsense! We already had a useless miserable 36 year old big wheel!

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

Breaking news - Chevy might trade for someone or might not

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

Uh...*their goals*? What's your f***ing goal, Chevy??

He'll have to check with Chipman on that and get back to you.

 

[10Ducky10]

Interestingly enough, Monahan was a pro comparison I saw used for Cozens in his draft year. Similar slot, tall, range, not really physical, good shot, solid vision, good all around but not great defensively.

Cozens is not really physical?
Also, Cozens skates faster backwards than Monahan does frontwards.
I don't think many people know exactly how fast he is. If you out him in between Ehlers and Lambert, it would be a crazy fast line.

 

[DRW204]

Who knows why Buffalo does half the shit they do, that's one inept organization, but yeah price wise I don't think anyone will be offering that much, rumor has it that they want roster players and possibly another center in return, they certainly don't need more youth/prospects.

I would definitely do Fetts + Vladdy + 2nd or 3rd, maybe that gets it done?

exactly, Buffalol is prone to bad deals for them. is Cheveldayoff the GM to pay an exorbitant price for an under performing player? esp from Buffalo?

a 1st+Yaeger+Iafallo+Miller to me at least seems like a pretty high price for a 0.57 ppg player (career) making over 7M. but i may be wrong and open to other views or what the consensus thinks on here.

Cozens has shown a higher actual peak than Perfetti, but their career stats are not far off, and at 2x lower the price hit for Perfetti. I do think Cozens would probably rip it up in a new organization (similar to reinhart, montour, eichel, risto for instance), but not spending that trade capital and 7M+ a year to find out. that overall cost strikes me as if he was currently a v productive player not at his recent seasons' levels.

Yeah Cozens kind of worries me for that price. We already have Perfetti to worry about. If Cozens returns to potential then I think you can say that's a good deal but that's a pretty big if.


Well, also consider that I'm a defenseman who always bitches at my forwards for not helping

i think Cozens likely does turn it around somewhere else, like a good group of former Sabres. but that trade price is as if he was already performing at that level and then 7M+ until 2030.

 

[raideralex99]

I watched the 3rd period comeback by the Sabres to beat the Canucks last night.
I only noticed Crozens on one play where he got knock of the puck and fell to the ice seriously what's with all this hype on him?
I don't watch the Sabres that much maybe he had a bad game but a $7 million player you should be able to notice him on the ice and I didn't last night. I checked his stats zeros across the board and only 16 mins of ice time.

 

[sipowicz]

Breaking news - Chevy might trade for someone or might not

Its a process!

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

That's what I read

Well its very clearly not what I said. Didn't imply that either. Did imply that he could make as much out of it as he wanted to. Or as little.

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Nope. Only in the eye of the reader.

 

[Flair Hay]

Cozens is not really physical?
Also, Cozens skates faster backwards than Monahan does frontwards.
I don't think many people know exactly how fast he is. If you out him in between Ehlers and Lambert, it would be a crazy fast line.

At the time this would have been referring to a younger, 2019 version of Monahan.

Leading into Cozens draft year Monahan was coming off his only pt/gm year with 4 seasons averaging around 60 points.

If he is faster and more physical than Monahan that's great. If he could produce 60 points here as a 2nd line center that would be realistic I think. Tough to see breaking that without top PP unit time.

there is a lot of merit to targeting an under-performing guy in that situation in Buffalo. Only so many of these guys available without trade protection. Just depends on what the price is I guess.

 

[Gm0ney]

exactly, Buffalol is prone to bad deals for them. is Cheveldayoff the GM to pay an exorbitant price for an under performing player? esp from Buffalo?

a 1st+Yaeger+Iafallo+Miller to me at least seems like a pretty high price for a 0.57 ppg player (career) making over 7M. but i may be wrong and open to other views or what the consensus thinks on here.

Cozens has shown a higher actual peak than Perfetti, but their career stats are not far off, and at 2x lower the price hit for Perfetti. I do think Cozens would probably rip it up in a new organization (similar to reinhart, montour, eichel, risto for instance), but not spending that trade capital and 7M+ a year to find out. that overall cost strikes me as if he was currently a v productive player not at his recent seasons' levels.



i think Cozens likely does turn it around somewhere else, like a good group of former Sabres. but that trade price is as if he was already performing at that level and then 7M+ until 2030.

Perfetti straight up? Buffalo gets a former 10th overall pick, a year younger, cheaper, scoring at the same rate, maybe needs a change of scenery. Jets get a former 7th overall pick, 1 year older, way more expensive, plays C, maybe needs a change of scenery.

 

[Jet]

Well its very clearly not what I said. Didn't imply that either. Did imply that he could make as much out of it as he wanted to. Or as little.



Nope. Only in the eye of the reader.

Thank you for telling me what I inferred.