Speculation: 2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[bustamente]

JT Miller would fit in perfectly with the shit heads on F*** Vegas, now who do we put on LTIR

 

[tbcwpg]

Wonder if Vilardi would want to stay here. Didn't he love LA and his gf was from there?

I somehow got onto Jets Wives/Girlfriends TikTok (probably through clicking on the Sambergs' dance clip), and Vilardi's GF comes up a lot. It's mostly "what I'm wearing to my boyfriend's hockey game" stuff but there is semi frequent "winter really sucks" stuff.

 

[Adam da bomb]

I somehow got onto Jets Wives/Girlfriends TikTok (probably through clicking on the Sambergs' dance clip), and Vilardi's GF comes up a lot. It's mostly "what I'm wearing to my boyfriend's hockey game" stuff but there is semi frequent "winter really sucks" stuff.

Ok, but, his contract is not up right away couples break up. Where’s Ianana/stumbs when you need them?

 

[KingBogo]

Ok, but, his contract is not up right away couples break up. Where’s Ianana/stumbs when you need them?

I think Vilardi stays. He is getting the usage he has only ever dreamed about. Playing on one of the best lines in the NHL and #1 PP time. If the guy loves hockey as much as it looks he does it will never get better than that for him.

 

[Adam da bomb]

I think Vilardi stays. He is getting the usage he has only ever dreamed about. Playing on one of the best lines in the NHL and #1 PP time. If the guy loves hockey as much as it looks he does it will never get better than that for him.

I hope so, but, truthfully as we all know the ideal hockey situation isn’t enough if the player’s family wants out. Work can never be your everything. Right now he is proving himself so he will have a few choices.

 

[KingBogo]

I hope so, but, truthfully as we all know the ideal hockey situation isn’t enough if the player’s family wants out. Work can never be your everything. Right now he is proving himself so he will have a few choices.

Jets also have 2 more years of team control so he has limited options at this point. Offer him the big deal he has earned and I think he stays.

 

[FlappyGiraffe]

I think Vilardi stays. He is getting the usage he has only ever dreamed about. Playing on one of the best lines in the NHL and #1 PP time. If the guy loves hockey as much as it looks he does it will never get better than that for him.

Agreed - iirc he came into town having Perfetti ish usage in LA and was immediately annointed as 1st line RW with top PP time here, no guarantee he gets that opportunity elsewhere. I imagine the Jets org have earned some goodwill from him because of that

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Here's a HF proposal if I've ever given one:
1st (25) + 1st (26) + Lambert + Yager + Salomonsson + Perfetti + Apples
For
Barzal + Dobson (50% retained remainder of year)

Isles set for future especially with their lottery pick this year and the almost NHL ready players they're getting. Jets get their core set up for runs the next 5 years with guys in their prime.

AFAIK, retention has to be a % that applies each year of the contract. Dobson is only under team control for 1 more year.

 

[Gil Fisher]

Been drilling through a few stats tonight. Found this the most satisfying...

Since the beginning of 2022-23 (last 2.5 years). We're the second best team in the league 5v5; measured by GF%. That's with roughly median SH% and the best SV% in the league. I think that's a fair reflection of our goalie.

Maybe this is just who we are.

Now with an elite powerplay!

I think we'll win the Cup this year.

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

Agreed - iirc he came into town having Perfetti ish usage in LA and was immediately annointed as 1st line RW with top PP time here, no guarantee he gets that opportunity elsewhere. I imagine the Jets org have earned some goodwill from him because of that

Kind of wish we had put Perfetti on Vilardi's development path in LA... second season he was 3rd or 4th line center for the whole year to see how it worked iirc - then his final year was RW with Byfield... pretty similar to the line that we finally have Perfetti on.

 

[Jet]

I somehow got onto Jets Wives/Girlfriends TikTok (probably through clicking on the Sambergs' dance clip), and Vilardi's GF comes up a lot. It's mostly "what I'm wearing to my boyfriend's hockey game" stuff but there is semi frequent "winter really sucks" stuff.

If I was a hockey wife in a northern city, I'd live somewhere nice, and fly up to said cold city when the hubby was in a home stand.

Problem solved.

 

[Huffer]

Scenario 2 - We needed one when we started out. We swap Perfetti for Barzal. We still need one, but that one is not a C anymore. Ehlers walks, we need 2 wingers for the 2nd line. That's better than needing 1C and 1W. Promote Nino. Now we need 1 top 6 W and 1 bottom 6 W. Promote Chibrikov. If he is not top 6 then he is bottom 6. Now we need just one. That should be doable. I assume Lambert was the add in the trade but maybe we give them Yager and promote Lambert. I don't want to lose Yager but we can if we have Barzal.

I think that what we need to keep in mind here is our other UFAs. If we lose them it gets much tougher. We don't have the depth guys to promote to fill holes. But I would be willing to take some risk to fill the 2C hole long term.

Scenario 3) Perfetti + 1st + Lambert for Barzal.
Sign Ehlers, 5 x 8.49.
Promote Chibs.
1 more year and Yager is knocking on the door. Some of Lucius, Walton, HE, Barlow are only 1 more year away.

For your scenario 2 above, I do agree that having the C and trying to fill around is better than having the W and trying to find the C. But, you're still now banking on moving guys up like Nino and Chibs who are not as good as the guys that we've lost. There's no guarantee we're better overall as we've lost more talent off the roster than we've gained.

For your scenario 3, that's my scenario 1. That we move Perfetti + and re-sign Ehlers. The issue becomes more cap related as now you have 9.15 and Ehlers making whatever he gets on his next deal (8.5+?), so we'd definitley need a prospect and cheap contracts to step up and take on larger roles. Not impossible, and better than Scenario 2 IMO.

Which is kind of the point of my (and @Buffdog ) comment. Knowing what might happen with Ehlers is important, (and Pionk too), in these big trades. There's much more moving parts IMO than just trying to figure out trade values.

Here's a HF proposal if I've ever given one:
1st (25) + 1st (26) + Lambert + Yager + Salomonsson + Perfetti + Apples
For
Barzal + Dobson (50% retained remainder of year)

Isles set for future especially with their lottery pick this year and the almost NHL ready players they're getting. Jets get their core set up for runs the next 5 years with guys in their prime.

Good lord that's horrible for the Jets.

 

[BoneDocUK]

If I was a hockey wife in a northern city, I'd live somewhere nice, and fly up to said cold city when the hubby was in a home stand.

Problem solved.

Yep. That's pretty much what we did at first, though my partner got a kick out of the (less extreme) winter weather, and our kids miss parks and lakes and outdoor sports and that "whistling feeling in your nose in the morning when you sled to school" that our youngest suddenly remembered over the holiday when it got to -- wait for it -- -6 degrees here.

But yeah -- fly in and hang out for a homestand or two and get down to the lakes during a summer golf tournament, and live wherever you want the rest of the time, because you bloody can.

Nought wrong wi' that.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

For your scenario 2 above, I do agree that having the C and trying to fill around is better than having the W and trying to find the C. But, you're still now banking on moving guys up like Nino and Chibs who are not as good as the guys that we've lost. There's no guarantee we're better overall as we've lost more talent off the roster than we've gained.

For your scenario 3, that's my scenario 1. That we move Perfetti + and re-sign Ehlers. The issue becomes more cap related as now you have 9.15 and Ehlers making whatever he gets on his next deal (8.5+?), so we'd definitley need a prospect and cheap contracts to step up and take on larger roles. Not impossible, and better than Scenario 2 IMO.

Which is kind of the point of my (and @Buffdog ) comment. Knowing what might happen with Ehlers is important, (and Pionk too), in these big trades. There's much more moving parts IMO than just trying to figure out trade values.

I'm still not getting your point. You're assuming we lose Ehlers, so we start with that either way. So it comes down to whether we are better off with Perfetti or with Barzal. Perfetti was the only roster player involved in that proposal. Ehlers was not involved. The other pieces were futures. There would be cap issues. But on the ice, we are clearly better with Barzal than with Perfetti.

 

[NA Hockey]

I'm still not getting your point. You're assuming we lose Ehlers, so we start with that either way. So it comes down to whether we are better off with Perfetti or with Barzal. Perfetti was the only roster player involved in that proposal. Ehlers was not involved. The other pieces were futures. There would be cap issues. But on the ice, we are clearly better with Barzal than with Perfetti.

Barzal makes 9.5 for 6 more years. He has only been more than a point per game player once in his career and that was his rookie year. This year he is barely over .5 ppg and I believe has one 5 on 5 goal the entire year.
Obviously he would help this year, but the cap hit, mixed with what you would have to give up, combined with his actually production, is not a fit for a team like the Jets. This could cripple the team for years.

All that being said I highly doubt he would waive his trade protection to come to Winnipeg to play 2nd PP and 2nd line.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Barzal makes 9.5 for 6 more years. He has only been more than a point per game player once in his career and that was his rookie year. This year he is barely over .5 ppg and I believe has one 5 on 5 goal the entire year.
Obviously he would help this year, but the cap hit, mixed with what you would have to give up, combined with his actually production, is not a fit for a team like the Jets. This could cripple the team for years.

All that being said I highly doubt he would waive his trade protection to come to Winnipeg to play 2nd PP and 2nd line.

Yeah, there are a lot of factors to consider. That conversation was just about the hypothetical trade effects combined with the loss of Ehlers.

Barzal is not having much of a season so far. He has missed 21 games and I assume his production is influenced by his health. Also that whole team is having trouble scoring this year. He was ppg just last year.

But the whole thing is just fantasy talk anyway. There is no way he waives to come here.

 

[Huffer]

I'm still not getting your point. You're assuming we lose Ehlers, so we start with that either way. So it comes down to whether we are better off with Perfetti or with Barzal. Perfetti was the only roster player involved in that proposal. Ehlers was not involved. The other pieces were futures. There would be cap issues. But on the ice, we are clearly better with Barzal than with Perfetti.

In one scenario we lose Perfetti (1) and the other Perfetti and Ehlers (2)

The point is, yes, in scenario 1 we are likely a better team with the swap, but there are major cap implications and the team will not only need to figure out how to add another top 6 player to the mix, but now the team has Barzal with a high cap hit, Ehlers with a high cap hit, and a cheaper contract gone (Perfetti), along with a potential prospect that could fill in (lets say Lambert was used like in your proposal) and although it's possible Chibs can fill in it's still a potential step down. And we haven't even talked about or figured out if the Jets can afford Barzal, Ehlers on a new deal, potentially re-signing Pionk (or equivalent because going into next year with Demelo, Miller, and Salo doesn't seem responsible), AND having future space for hopefully Connor and Vilardi. So the issue with scenario 1 is mainly cap focused and the subsequent adjustments and impacts the team might have to make.

In scenario 2, it's less about the cap (but still a little), but more around filling out the rest of the roster. There's 2 players out and 1 in, so there are more holes to fill. Is it better to fill around a C? For sure. Is it doable? For sure, but it's not like it's easy. If Lambert goes, sure we have Chibs, but he's not at the same level as Ehlers or Perfetti. And while wingers are easier to find, we're likely either going to have to overspend on a UFA, or using trade capital on a winger.

For Clarity, I'm not even saying the Jets can't really go down either of these paths. The overall larger point is that there are a ton of moving parts I would imagine as a GM to make trades, especially large ones. For scenario 1, you'd have to go into Cap Wages and figure out all the cap issues for next year and beyond (Pionk, Connor, Vilardi, filling out the roster, etc), and for scenario 2 you'd need to do the same thing but also with an extra hole (2 opposed to fill.

TLDR: Trading IMO in the real world is not only about trade values, but figuring out all the impacts and potential impacts to the roster and cap for the short and medium term. Yes, some people are more, "do whatever now and figure out the rest later" types, but I would bet that Chevy in this market doesn't have that luxury. I'd need to see how this hypothetical trade affects the teams cap and roster for multiple years and in both scenarios (Ehlers stays and Ehlers goes) before deciding on whether I personally think it would be good or not. My first comment on this was just that, that more things need to be taken into account.

I agree though the current hypothetical is just fantasy talk.

 

[voyageur]

If I was a hockey wife in a northern city, I'd live somewhere nice, and fly up to said cold city when the hubby was in a home stand.

Problem solved.

Dylan Samberg described the worst part of of being at home during his injury as having to clean up more dog poop. So somebody's got to do it. The longer they stay together the increased odds of baby poop being thrown into the mix.

For Scotty I think he was given a reputation as being hard on the single guys, who liked the single night life when he was last a head coach. He's got it pretty good here, in that respect.

 

[Jets]

Yeah, that makes it possible, but only just. There would be a lot of teams bidding for him. They would all need to find ways to fit his contract. Just watch F**k Vegas LTIR Stone again and he ends up there.



Good question. He seems pretty happy here. Not to mention that LA is on fire right now. He could still spend off-seasons there.

With Stone on the Canada roster and the deadline the first week of March, they're going to have to act quick to pretend he's hurt this year.

 

[DRW204]

I somehow got onto Jets Wives/Girlfriends TikTok (probably through clicking on the Sambergs' dance clip), and Vilardi's GF comes up a lot. It's mostly "what I'm wearing to my boyfriend's hockey game" stuff but there is semi frequent "winter really sucks" stuff.

We are living in the worst era

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

Think im settling on petterson or dumoulin as our D upgrade
And again hoping for boone jenner

 

[scarbrow]

With Stone on the Canada roster and the deadline the first week of March, they're going to have to act quick to pretend he's hurt this year.

Hes getting hurt AT 4 nations face off

 

[Gm0ney]

I somehow got onto Jets Wives/Girlfriends TikTok (probably through clicking on the Sambergs' dance clip), and Vilardi's GF comes up a lot. It's mostly "what I'm wearing to my boyfriend's hockey game" stuff but there is semi frequent "winter really sucks" stuff.

It's evidently clear that players that who don't want to play in Winnipeg have serious character flaws. This might also apply to their wives and girlfriends. Gabe should take note.