Speculation: 2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[Bob E]

Agreed, but the key idea is buy low. Especially for a guy who's currently not earning his current contract.

Don’t disagree but what do we have that Buffalo would take in exchange for Cozens that is similar value (age, potential, etc)

Cap is likely to escalate quickly in the next few years, and 53M for the top 7 is likely to be fine.

The bigger issue is that only one of the top 7 is a D. Jets probably need another top-end D to balance their roster.

With 2 - $4+M d in DeMelo and Samberg (soon). Will still need some ELCs or other league minimum deals to fill out the roster.

 

[10Ducky10]

I could definitely get behind that tbh. Not sure what the package looks like if Perfetti isn’t involved. Lambert or Yager, ++?

I'd hold onto Yager and Salmon...anyone else would be available from the minors.
JMo, Samberg, Volare, 55, 81 and Perfetti are also off the table.

Pionk and Nino for Cozens at 1m retained.

 

[Huffer]

Don’t disagree but what do we have that Buffalo would take in exchange for Cozens that is similar value (age, potential, etc)


With 2 - $4+M d in DeMelo and Samberg (soon). Will still need some ELCs or other league minimum deals to fill out the roster.

I think a potential issue is that the Jets and Sabres might not be really good trade partners. We could use a 2C and RHD help and those are the very same areas of need for the Sabres.

Unless they decide to be ok with futures, which they might not be with their current struggles.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

True. $9M might be wishful thinking by the end of the season.


I could definitely get behind that tbh. Not sure what the package looks like if Perfetti isn’t involved. Lambert or Yager, ++?

Lambert +(+)

But Buffalo may be willing to sell low(ish) but for veteran players, not futures. Or a mix of the 2. The + might be something like Nino, who I would not want to lose. Or DeMelo, they need RHD. But we can't afford to move a RHD unless we have a way of acquiring one.

If we could send a futures package to Calgary for a RHD then we could send a RHD to Buffalo. But this gets too fanciful in a hurry. The fact is we may not be the best partner to get Cozens from Sabres. Our team is built on depth, rather than stars. We can't trade away that depth.

 

[Bob E]

I think a potential issue is that the Jets and Sabres might not be really good trade partners. We could use a 2C and RHD help and those are the very same areas of need for the Sabres.

Unless they decide to be ok with futures, which they might not be with their current struggles.

Agreed.

 

[Bob E]

Lambert +(+)

But Buffalo may be willing to sell low(ish) but for veteran players, not futures. Or a mix of the 2. The + might be something like Nino, who I would not want to lose. Or DeMelo, they need RHD. But we can't afford to move a RHD unless we have a way of acquiring one.

If we could send a futures package to Calgary for a RHD then we could send a RHD to Buffalo. But this gets too fanciful in a hurry. The fact is we may not be the best partner to get Cozens from Sabres. Our team is built on depth, rather than stars. We can't trade away that depth.

Agreed Mort. Though we will still need a 2C for this playoff run and future runs if Cozens isn’t a target.

 

[snowkiddin]

Who's to say Perfetti falters and Cozens takes off though? That's the point. Maybe it happens, but it's all just conjecture and hope.

I'm not anti Cousins, bit he's a reclamation project at this point. Moving Perfetti is an overpay.

Sorry I missed your 17,000th post. Congrats on the milestone!

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Agreed Mort. Though we will still need a 2C for this playoff run and future runs if Cozens isn’t a target.

I say stay with Names unless we can get a real clear upgrade. I'm not sure that cozens would be that. Though I would like to find out, if we could get him for the right price.

Nelson might be it for 1 year. But there goes another 1st rd pick for a rental.

 

[voyageur]

I say stay with Names unless we can get a real clear upgrade. I'm not sure that cozens would be that. Though I would like to find out, if we could get him for the right price.

Nelson might be it for 1 year. But there goes another 1st rd pick for a rental.

This is an interesting discussion and I am still on the fence here. There are 4 Cs in the West right now that have more points than Mark Scheifele. MacKinnon, Draisaitl, Mc David and Eichel.

When you look at the ES production of Lowry and Namestnikov I wonder how they match up vs other competitors in the West. Seems like without the top PP time they line up above the median. 128/156 in league scoring is not likely the lower percentile. Objectively there are some weaknesses to Namestnikov's game, but the results aren't poor. Hard to say if Lowry will keep up the career pace but right now the Jets have the best checking line in the league.

There's a lot of different views on what the weakest spot is on the Jets. 2C, 1 RD, 3LD, 4th line scoring/ improved PK. The one thing I know is the Jets don't have a lot of trade capital, but they have enough to make a significant move.
I think there's some pressure on Chevy because this might as good of a chance as he has with the veterans in this group.

There's so many variables though. Health, first, at the deadline. Are guys that underperformed in previous playoffs going to suddenly perform?...I remember reading about the Caps changing their images as chokers, as an example.

Can Scott Arniel take this team farther than Bowness could? He's got more out of a lot of the same players this season. But he's never won a playoff series as a HC. Has to start somewhere. What does he think the missing elements are on this team?

I think looking for the magical centre to fit Ehlers/Perfetti could be the wrong path.

I wonder about putting out a 4 line team that was the key to the 2018 success.

If you acquired a player like Granlund could you run something like

Connor-Scheif-Vilardi
Barron-Granlund-Ehlers
Nino-Lowry-Appleton
Perfetti-Namestnikov-Iafallo

which line would be the weak link?

 

[Adam da bomb]

This is an interesting discussion and I am still on the fence here. There are 4 Cs in the West right now that have more points than Mark Scheifele. MacKinnon, Draisaitl, Mc David and Eichel.

When you look at the ES production of Lowry and Namestnikov I wonder how they match up vs other competitors in the West. Seems like without the top PP time they line up above the median. 128/156 in league scoring is not likely the lower percentile. Objectively there are some weaknesses to Namestnikov's game, but the results aren't poor. Hard to say if Lowry will keep up the career pace but right now the Jets have the best checking line in the league.

There's a lot of different views on what the weakest spot is on the Jets. 2C, 1 RD, 3LD, 4th line scoring/ improved PK. The one thing I know is the Jets don't have a lot of trade capital, but they have enough to make a significant move.
I think there's some pressure on Chevy because this might as good of a chance as he has with the veterans in this group.

There's so many variables though. Health, first, at the deadline. Are guys that underperformed in previous playoffs going to suddenly perform?...I remember reading about the Caps changing their images as chokers, as an example.

Can Scott Arniel take this team farther than Bowness could? He's got more out of a lot of the same players this season. But he's never won a playoff series as a HC. Has to start somewhere. What does he think the missing elements are on this team?

I think looking for the magical centre to fit Ehlers/Perfetti could be the wrong path.

I wonder about putting out a 4 line team that was the key to the 2018 success.

If you acquired a player like Granlund could you run something like

Connor-Scheif-Vilardi
Barron-Granlund-Ehlers
Nino-Lowry-Appleton
Perfetti-Namestnikov-Iafallo

which line would be the weak link?

I’m in the camp you should improve on Demelo if you want to make a big splash. I’m also in the camp of run mo, berg, fleury.
Keep Heinola there in pb in case you need more offense, but, I don’t see offense as a problem and would rather d who can clear front of net trust Helly to be the difference maker.

 

[Adam da bomb]

I imagine if you want to keep salary at 53 mil for top 7 you offer Ehlers 7.5 and you offer kc 9.5 and hope that the opportunity to play with schief and Helly is enough to get him to agree to less.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

This is an interesting discussion and I am still on the fence here. There are 4 Cs in the West right now that have more points than Mark Scheifele. MacKinnon, Draisaitl, Mc David and Eichel.

When you look at the ES production of Lowry and Namestnikov I wonder how they match up vs other competitors in the West. Seems like without the top PP time they line up above the median. 128/156 in league scoring is not likely the lower percentile. Objectively there are some weaknesses to Namestnikov's game, but the results aren't poor. Hard to say if Lowry will keep up the career pace but right now the Jets have the best checking line in the league.

There's a lot of different views on what the weakest spot is on the Jets. 2C, 1 RD, 3LD, 4th line scoring/ improved PK. The one thing I know is the Jets don't have a lot of trade capital, but they have enough to make a significant move.
I think there's some pressure on Chevy because this might as good of a chance as he has with the veterans in this group.

There's so many variables though. Health, first, at the deadline. Are guys that underperformed in previous playoffs going to suddenly perform?...I remember reading about the Caps changing their images as chokers, as an example.

Can Scott Arniel take this team farther than Bowness could? He's got more out of a lot of the same players this season. But he's never won a playoff series as a HC. Has to start somewhere. What does he think the missing elements are on this team?

I think looking for the magical centre to fit Ehlers/Perfetti could be the wrong path.

I wonder about putting out a 4 line team that was the key to the 2018 success.

If you acquired a player like Granlund could you run something like

Connor-Scheif-Vilardi
Barron-Granlund-Ehlers
Nino-Lowry-Appleton
Perfetti-Namestnikov-Iafallo

which line would be the weak link?

Interesting thought.
But I think you end up taking TOI from better players to give it to weaker players.

Put Barron and Perfetti back in their usual spots and you still have 4 lines that you can trust. Our 4th line is already very good. Putting Names between Barron and Iafallo only makes them better. Perfetti - Granlund - Ehlers should also be an upgrade to that line.

 

[voyageur]

Interesting thought.
But I think you end up taking TOI from better players to give it to weaker players.

Put Barron and Perfetti back in their usual spots and you still have 4 lines that you can trust. Our 4th line is already very good. Putting Names between Barron and Iafallo only makes them better. Perfetti - Granlund - Ehlers should also be an upgrade to that line.

My thought is lines 2-4 all get equal ice time. It's not quite 2018, but having 4 lines that can score makes a huge difference in matchups.

It was hard to match up that 2018 team. But defense was a clear driver too.

I think you have to look at whether there is a digger on each line, net drive. I'm not sure Ehlers-Perfetti will score goals in a tighter checking playoffs together. It's possible but having one guy on each line who can attack the net and be defensively responsible changes the look of the team. Instead of loading the responsibility on 2 guys who haven't scored a lot in playoff hockey, and having a tight checking 4th line. But it's a lot more possible to have different looks with more moving parts. It's debatable whether Kupari/Gustafsson have that ability although those are 2 guys who might get ice time for d-zone faceoffs.

 

[Adam da bomb]

My thought is lines 2-4 all get equal ice time. It's not quite 2018, but having 4 lines that can score makes a huge difference in matchups.

It was hard to match up that 2018 team. But defense was a clear driver too.

I think you have to look at whether there is a digger on each line, net drive. I'm not sure Ehlers-Perfetti will score goals in a tighter checking playoffs together. It's possible but having one guy on each line who can attack the net and be defensively responsible changes the look of the team. Instead of loading the responsibility on 2 guys who haven't scored a lot in playoff hockey, and having a tight checking 4th line. But it's a lot more possible to have different looks with more moving parts. It's debatable whether Kupari/Gustafsson have that ability although those are 2 guys who might get ice time for d-zone faceoffs.

I think it would be interesting if they broke up the top line. They can always put it back together when they need goals, but, just like Edmonton has more options by being able to move Drai up and down line up to spread the offense I’d love to see if Connor can make 2nd line more effective when they need to pull out that option.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

My thought is lines 2-4 all get equal ice time. It's not quite 2018, but having 4 lines that can score makes a huge difference in matchups.

It was hard to match up that 2018 team. But defense was a clear driver too.

I think you have to look at whether there is a digger on each line, net drive. I'm not sure Ehlers-Perfetti will score goals in a tighter checking playoffs together. It's possible but having one guy on each line who can attack the net and be defensively responsible changes the look of the team. Instead of loading the responsibility on 2 guys who haven't scored a lot in playoff hockey, and having a tight checking 4th line. But it's a lot more possible to have different looks with more moving parts. It's debatable whether Kupari/Gustafsson have that ability although those are 2 guys who might get ice time for d-zone faceoffs.

Yeah, I could see the thinking in the proposal. It could work. I might try it in game 3 of the PO if we have lost the first 2.

I think that Barron - Namestnikov - Iafallo is a very good 4th line. They will push play into the O zone and even score a little.