Top line also gets 5 minutes more a game on average. Hard to outproduce that.
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Top line also gets 5 minutes more a game on average. Hard to outproduce that.
Thechozen1
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Who could become available that fits the bill?
Brock Nelson? Probably a bidding war on him with the Wild at the forefront.
Trent Frederic? Would be good depth, but not sure he’s a fit for Jets 2nd line.
Charlie Coyle? Has trade protection.
But it wasn’t total points, but, points by minutes wasn’t it?
Good to know they are producing at a good clip. I am a bit surprised given they have blanks more than 2x more often than they get on the score sheet.
I certainly worry that when the top line is not going, we dont/cant score.
Perfetti has 7 event strength points this year. Namestnikov 6. They sit 11th and 12th on the roster for EVP. All3 players on the third line are above them.
the jets were 30-12-5 prior to monahan last year, and 16-3 this year with the 2nd line C ~90% of the time being namestnikov (lets use him as a reference point for the 2nd line for this post). the catalysts on offense of that line is supposed to be ehlers & perfetti.
those 2 time frames combined" namestnikov (or essentially ~90% of the 2nd line) has been a +20 with a gf/60 of 3.5 and 3.08, & an overall 3.37 gf/60. good numbers.
monahan was supposed to elevate that 2nd line, it didn't really happen at all. the 2nd line's #s w/ monahan were more or less the same. idk who are some candidates at this year's TDL that'd be a for sure upgrade.
those 2 time frames combined" namestnikov (or essentially ~90% of the 2nd line) has been a +20 with a gf/60 of 3.5 and 3.08, & an overall 3.37 gf/60. good numbers.
monahan was supposed to elevate that 2nd line, it didn't really happen at all. the 2nd line's #s w/ monahan were more or less the same. idk who are some candidates at this year's TDL that'd be a for sure upgrade.
They are all above Villardi as well. Given the amount of ice time 5 on5 he plays and who he plays with, that may be more of an "issue"
The "third line" is actually the 2nd line based on 5on5 ice per game.
The Names line will definitely need to score more at 5 on 5 going forward but they are almost 3 to 1 goals for to against at 5 on 5 and that is very good. Names has been very solid. If he could make just a few more plays offensively he would be way above average
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Third line has one more 5 on 5 goal then the second line. They get used more in EN situations where they have three goals to the second lines 1.
But yes the second line could do a bit better 5 on 5 and they likely will, but the second unit pp will likely cool off a bit and offset some of that. It's a long season and things fluctuate.
Right now our top 6 is a bit more dependent on PP scoring. Last year it was the opposite.
They are actually getting pretty comparable minutes this year which is a change from last year.
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Both names and perfetti on pace for 50plys points... not sure what people expect from the 2nd/3rd line...
They are good players. I expect some more consistency on offence from my second line though. Cant go pointless 7 out of every 10 games and be satisfied with that.
The team is winning and we still bitch. The 2nd line heats up and gets some offensive production we forget. Not broke don’t fix it. Our record is the teams, not just the top producers.
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A little more consistency would definitely be nice BUT, they play 14 mins a night, and on the 2nd PP. 2nd PP over the last few games has hardly seen any ice as they haven't had that many PP's as a team and the 1st unit has been staying out close to the full two minutes or scoring when they get the PP. Thats not an excuse just reality. So when you are playing just around or under 14 mins with little PP its hard to consistently produce.
There is a reason why Ehlers after years of 60 point max seasons, all of a sudden is on pace for 95 points. It's because he is on PP1.
Second line has more than carried their weight, there is more to the game than just points as well.
The Jets are 16-3 let's go!
WolfHouse
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EV Names and Ehlers each have points in 4 of the last 10, Perfetti 2 of the last 10
the 'line' is scoring in 50% of their games which is decent - if Perfetti breaks out of his slump, thats probably up to 60-70%
On pace for 33 points and 16 points in those 10 games.
They need to pick it up.
Ppl expecting 2nd line players getting 16ish mins or less a night to maintain 70-80 pt paces need to reconsider their expectations imo
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....and now home for a game, time to do some laundry and see the family for a minute, and back out on the road for another brutal 6 game in 10 nights road trip.
The team is 16-3 and I haven't seen much if anything to complain about as a team or on the personal level.
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100% agreed. Trading a first, even a late one, is not a great idea, especially at/near the trade deadline when prices are higher and for a team that needs the magic beans. Other than the PP, I think the team was better without Monahan. I would be very hesitant to mess with this line-up in a significant way, and I wish they were more hesitant last year. Unless you're trading assets for a longer term solution, or a Stastny falls into your lap again, I wouldn't be bidding on the Cs available at the TDL.
Namestnikov is not an exciting 2C, but he holds water and the team as a whole performs well with him in that slot.
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I think the big thing for Chevy is he has to look beyond this season. The Jets could get liquidated at the end of this season in a similar way to the way they did in 2019.
And he has two big contracts of core players heading into next season looming, in KC and Lowry. I don't suspect he would go the own rental route.
The 2nd has already been traded, for Toffoli. The 4th has been traded. How much draft capital can the Jets use up? Jets are already banking on a good draft year last year, with only 4 picks. But there's a development period that seems necessary for most of them, so that's a couple of years away from hitting the ice with the Jets. A guy like He may bypass that, mostly because of the position he plays, but I would think the rest are going to need development time.
If you replace Ehlers with Lambert, and Pionk with Salomonsson, that's a good test of depth already, and defensively there is none. The best case scenario would be Heinola stepping up, and Salomonsson moving in to the lineup. You can bring Lundmark back for one more season before he become a group VI free agent. The lack of draft capital is going to thin out the Jets. And you would need to draft a quality defenseman in 2025 to be able to replace De Melo in 3 years, with no immediate replacement for Miller, unless Lundmark makes the team one day.
That's where I wonder if a kid like Chibrikov gets put on the block. If the team doesn't see him as top 6 forward, which will have some competition next year with Yager and Lambert, maybe he is expendable as an asset.
The one that I look at beyond Ehlers is KC because that one can't be renegotiated until TC next year, if he sees the team lose players, would he be more inclined to jump ship and go to Detroit to join all his Michigan buddies that he skates with offseason. I think he'd cash out big in Detroit. So there are a lot of moving parts between now and the end of TC next year. The way Chevy plays his cards will be interesting.
I think you can sign the Millers of the world as FA, and yes FA may not want to come to Wpg, but, Fleury did and I think the two are the same calibre of players.
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I think it's easier to bring UFAs in on a team that is going to be competitive. 2019 the Jets brought in Pionk and Heinola for Trouba, but free agents were Beaulieu, Bitetto, Sbisa and Dahlstrom on waivers. And there is the depth issue too, if you ever do get injured. This year with Salomonsson the Jets have a quality player in the pipeline. Freij might get there down the road, it will be interesting to see if there is any rush to bring him over, because of the lack of depth. And at least next year you have Lundmark still in the organization. It will really start to thin out over time, as the Jets have drafted forward heavy for years, and this team is built on the 2011-2015 drafts as the core.
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That's largely how I see it as well. You need those draft picks to replace the players that will be moving out, but also to replace the players that will be declining. Lets say Morrissey and Schief have two or three more years at an elite level: who comes up behind them? I like our prospects, but we haven't drafted an elite, core piece since Connor in 2015. Even if we keep our firsts, we would need to have a drafting run like Dallas has had (Oettinger, Robertson, Johnston, Stankoven, all mid first round to second round picks). Otherwise, we will be unintentionally bad within 5 or less years. Like I said above, unless you have a home run TDL trade (which is rare), or can get a player with term for those picks, I'd be very hesitant to trade first round picks.
(As an aside, I'm pretty confident Connor will resign long-term (though that doesn't change the above analysis). His most recent interview on Players Only convinced me of that. I think he'll be a career Jet like Morrissey, Scheifele and Hellebucyk).
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I hope you are right on that account. That changes a lot of aspects on this team. Where you can build around your top line.
The 2022 draft is going to be the key to the team's future, with the 3 top 55 picks all in line to make an impact (thank you Andrew Copp). The bust of 2017 (though Samberg is becoming a core piece), 2019 (though Heinola still has a chance to prove himself) and 2021, with 2024 being a depth draft on account of team success, takes its toll.
I think if nothing else having a late first gives the Jets a chance to move that pick down for more picks. Chevy talked about how hard it is to get a 1st round pick on draft day, and I don't know how many times this team will go to the well.
Right now you have a team that is really gelling, and I think it's kind of management saying to them, this is your last chance boys that is a part of that, so you may not want to break it up. Just add depth pieces. At the right cost.
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That Copp trade was an all-timer for Chevy.
I had high hopes that Perfetti would become a core piece in the vein of those 2011 to 2015 first rounders, but it's looking less likely now. He just hasn't shown the athleticism to be an elite driver of play. Maybe that changes as he physically matures. If he and Heinola both hit as elite players, I'd be a little more willing to move draft picks now. But the team should plan for them to be nothing more than complementary players that will ease the transition to the yet-to-be drafted next core.
