Speculation: 2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[Buffdog]

Yet they were willing to move Samberg to his off side - in the playoffs! - to accommodate the Stanley Project? Also sitting Schmidt in the pressbox for a stretch of games wouldn't have been any big loss during the time when Kovacevic was here.

This is all in hindsight. At the time Kova was waived, he had zero NHL experience and three veteran, established D men ahead of him

 

[WolfHouse]

So what you are saying is we should have put Kovacevic in the lineup over Demelo?

Instead of nate beaulieu

 

[surixon]

Forwards​

Offense Rating

#	Team	Player	Rating
1		Kyle Connor	+ 2.4
2		Nino Niederreiter	+ 2.2
3		Nikolaj Ehlers	+ 1.8
4		Mark Scheifele	+ 1.7
5		Mason Appleton	+ 1.1
6		Adam Lowry	+ 0.7
7		Cole Perfetti	+ 0.6
8		Gabriel Vilardi	+ 0.3
9		Vladislav Namestnikov	+ 0.1
10		Alex Iafallo	-1.6

Defense Rating

#	Team	Player	Rating
1		Mason Appleton	+ 1.2
2		Nino Niederreiter	+ 0.9
3		Adam Lowry	+ 0.9
4		Alex Iafallo	+ 0.8
5		Morgan Barron	+ 0.7
6		Rasmus Kupari	+ 0.5
7		Mark Scheifele	+ 0.2
8		Kyle Connor	-0.1
9		Gabriel Vilardi	-0.1
10		Cole Perfetti	-0.1

Net Rating

#	Team	Player	Rating
1		Nino Niederreiter	+ 3.1
2		Kyle Connor	+ 2.3
3		Mason Appleton	+ 2.3
4		Mark Scheifele	+ 1.8
5		Nikolaj Ehlers	+ 1.5
6		Adam Lowry	+ 1.5
7		Cole Perfetti	+ 0.5
8		Gabriel Vilardi	+ 0.2
9		Vladislav Namestnikov	-0.2
10		Alex Iafallo	-0.8

Defense​

Offense Rating

#	Team	Player	Rating
1		Neal Pionk	+ 2.7
2		Dylan Samberg	+ 0.7
3		Josh Morrissey	+ 0.5
4		Colin Miller	0.0
5		Logan Stanley	-0.7
6		Dylan DeMelo	-2.2

Defense Rating

#	Team	Player	Rating
1		Josh Morrissey	+ 2.1
2		Colin Miller	+ 1.4
3		Logan Stanley	+ 1.1
4		Dylan DeMelo	+ 0.9
5		Dylan Samberg	-1.0
6		Neal Pionk	-1.1

Net Rating

#	Team	Player	Rating
1		Josh Morrissey	+ 2.6
2		Neal Pionk	+ 1.6
3		Colin Miller	+ 1.3
4		Logan Stanley	+ 0.5
5		Dylan Samberg	-0.3
6		Dylan DeMelo	-1.3

Your numbers look off on a number of these. Not sure if something didn't translate properly on your table.

 

[Cypruss]

Your numbers look off on a number of these. Not sure if something didn't translate properly on your table.

That is exactly what I see in that site. Had never used it before today when I went to look up some numbers. No clue of their formula, but that is how it is posted. Here is a snippet version rather than a copy / paste version? I put no stock in any of those numbers, but what looked wrong?

 

[surixon]

That is exactly what I see in that site. Had never used it before today when I went to look up some numbers. No clue of their formula, but that is how it is posted. Here is a snippet version rather than a copy / paste version? I put no stock in any of those numbers, but what looked wrong?

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I was just looking at the individual player cards and they didn't match for all. So I have really no idea why there is a discrepancy in their numbers.

For instance Scheifele's card shows a net 2.2 rating whereas your chart has him at 1.8. So I'm not really sure why there is a difference.

 

[Cypruss]

I was just looking at the individual player cards and they didn't match for all. So I have really no idea why there is a discrepancy in their numbers.

For instance Scheifele's card shows a net 2.2 rating whereas your chart has him at 1.8. So I'm not really sure why there is a difference.

No clue. this is where I looked for the others in the top ten that Kova was in, based on the site that the poster said they were using. GameScore Leaderboards | HockeyStatCards.com then on the left side changed the model from gamescore to rankings.

 

[DRW204]

Instead of nate beaulieu

Yeah during the Beaulieu, sbisa era I think there was opportunity to get youth involved. But once Dillon and Schmidt were acquired, that ship was sailed.

 

[WolfHouse]

Yeah during the Beaulieu, sbisa era I think there was opportunity to get youth involved. But once Dillon and Schmidt were acquired, that ship was sailed.

The schmidt trade will remain a mystery until chevy auto biography

 

[voyageur]

Instead of nate beaulieu

Wrong side. Stanley took his spot in 2021. For the playoffs too, where he was a plus player. 2021-2022 Samberg took Stanley's spot. Kovacevic was waived in 2022-23

 

[WolfHouse]

Wrong side. Stanley took his spot in 2021. For the playoffs too, where he was a plus player. 2021-2022 Samberg took Stanley's spot. Kovacevic was waived in 2022-23

Nate played both sides - schmidt played on his offhand side, etc... stop making excuses like it was somehow impossible to give our own prospects 10 games at least

Forbort, benn, sbisa etc - all scraps brought in as opposed to just believing in our prospects

 

[voyageur]

Nate played both sides - schmidt played on his offhand side, etc... stop making excuses like it was somehow impossible to give our own prospects 10 games at least

Forbort, benn, sbisa etc - all scraps brought in as opposed to just believing in our prospects

Well those guys were Maurice's guys. I guess we can question why Maurice didn't give Kovacevic a chance, but I'm sure deep down he had an affinity for that group of Sbisa, Beaulieu, Bittetto and Dahlstrom that had the Jets fighting for a playoff position, with Little out, Kulikov out for an extended period, Poolman out too. Before De Melo was acquired. There was no way Maurice was replacing Beaulieu with Kovacevic. Heck if he hadn't got injured he probably would have never replaced him with Stanley.

The Jets had a playoff mentality from 2018 on, and that came at the expense of some prospects, and only the best prospects rose to make the team. Hard to question Maurice now with a Stanley Cup ring, ultimately it was the Bowness/Arniel combination that cut Kovacevic, maybe Kovacevic makes the playoffs for the first time this year, a 27 year old veteran.

 

[DRW204]

The schmidt trade will remain a mystery until chevy auto biography

the years preceding the Jets D group was composed of the likes of beaulieu, poolman, sbisa, forbort, bitetto, among some others that chevy acquired or signed. they needed upgrades.

 

[Weezeric]

That is exactly what I see in that site. Had never used it before today when I went to look up some numbers. No clue of their formula, but that is how it is posted. Here is a snippet version rather than a copy / paste version? I put no stock in any of those numbers, but what looked wrong?

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I will accept the arguments that Kovacevic was a big loss based on this model, if you also argue that Appleton is better than Ehlers.

 

[Buffdog]

Instead of nate beaulieu

Beaulieu's last year with the Jets was 2021-22. They had Demelo, Pionk and Schmidt ahead of Kovacevic that whole season. Prior to that season, he wouldn't have had the pro experience to be considered a legit option as a full time NHLer - which is why they went out and got Schmidt

I'll also point out that Beaulieu is a lefty and Kovacevic is a righty. Not sure how much left side he played on the Moose

 

[Cypruss]

I will accept the arguments that Kovacevic was a big loss based on this model, if you also argue that Appleton is better than Ehlers.

I don’t know anything about this model or agree with it at all. I just shared the info to answer questions to where someone’s claim Kovasevic was the fifth best defenseman came from, and show the top ten on that “experts” model.

I will not argue Appleton vs Ehlers as that is not anywhere near the same tier of player.