GDT: 2024-25 season game 36 LA kings vs Philadelphia Flyers @6:00pm 12/29/24

[shuchukfan]

At least Hiller seems to make adjustments during the game. With Todd it seemed like everything was already set in stone no matter what, nothing dynamic about his coaching style at all. No wonder we got mogged during the playoffs. I mean he was at the helm when the Sharks got reversed swept by us, completely embarrassing. I feel like the 11/7 format messes with the opposing team's rotation or something, throws them off. Only problem is he's using the wrong #7 Dman, but that'll hopefully change when Drew comes back.

The bolded above should have precluded him from being hired by the Kings.

 

[FSL KINGS]

You don't even know what happened on the play do you? Yea, of course you don't. You don't know who was dangerous at the time they were dangerous, like I said, DOUGHTY could have been on the ice, and that goal is still scored....the problem is, you have no f***ing clue as to why that is. THAT's the issue.

I'm not saying Burroughs is good, bad, purple or green, it doesn't matter who was on the f***ing ice in that circumstance, that was a goal being scored, you know how that gets prevented? Rittch doing a better job of rebound control, but your insistence that the team take a penalty because something might happen is asinine at best.

You probably think Minkchov's goal was the LW on the ice's fault, right?

I know exactly what happened. Burroughs stood at the top of the crease like a road cone as his guy just skated up and got a goal & wasn't touched. Burroughs probably also got Fiala another -1.

Just take the loss. Burroughs is garbage. Under 4 minutes of ice time & causing multiple good chances for the other team. Coach even benched him before his 5 minutes because he was so terrible.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

I know exactly what happened. Burroughs stood at the top of the crease like a road cone as his guy just skated up and got a goal & wasn't touched. Burroughs probably also got Fiala another -1.

Just take the loss. Burroughs is garbage. Under 4 minutes of ice time & causing multiple good chances for the other team. Coach even benched him before his 5 minutes because he was so terrible.

LOL that's not what happened, but like I said you not knowing what actually happened, is no surprise.

 

[FSL KINGS]

I don’t rate Burroughs in the slightest but Fiala and Laf were puck watching, covering the guy Edmundson already had and were in each others space/lane. Thats where the breakdown occurred. Between them they should have covered the left wing and tracked the guy coming from the bench. It’s not even debatable.

Could Burroughs have done better, possibly, but that sort of net play happens fairly frequently. I agree he shouldn’t be playing but it’s not the example to us use and make the case for it IMO.

Oh and conceding 4/4 is on the guys on the ice. End of.

Burroughs stood still & did absolutely nothing. Got to the right spot. Had a great view of the goal. Guy is just trash.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

on fiala's behalf despite getting red faced pissed off at him at times, he has also offered some incredible belly laughs in non important game situations. i think he'd be even funnier to watch on another pacific division team- maybe the sharks?

It's true. From a purely entertainment perspective Fiala is the best move the Kings have made in their long and storied history.

I don’t rate Burroughs in the slightest but Fiala and Laf were puck watching, covering the guy Edmundson already had and were in each others space/lane. Thats where the breakdown occurred. Between them they should have covered the left wing and tracked the guy coming from the bench. It’s not even debatable.

Could Burroughs have done better, possibly, but that sort of net play happens fairly frequently. I agree he shouldn’t be playing but it’s not the example to us use and make the case for it IMO.

Oh and conceding 4/4 is on the guys on the ice. End of.

We can go thru and justify all his plays somehow for whatever reason

OR

We can sit here and say what's the point of the 11/7 if the #7 guy who you're giving less than 5 minutes two is costing you two goals a game somehow and repeatedly and is the closest regular dman to a - despite being hidden?

Seriously what the f*** is the actual point of defending this waiver hero? He's a 28 year old journeyman with no outstanding skills. Yet people are are Jack Johnsoning themselves into believing it's okay.

 

[Statto]

It's true. From a purely entertainment perspective Fiala is the best move the Kings have made in their long and storied history.




We can go thru and justify all his plays somehow for whatever reason

OR

We can sit here and say what's the point of the 11/7 if the #7 guy who you're giving less than 5 minutes two is costing you two goals a game somehow and repeatedly and is the closest regular dman to a - despite being hidden?

Seriously what the f*** is the actual point of defending this waiver hero? He's a 28 year old journeyman with no outstanding skills. Yet people are are Jack Johnsoning themselves into believing it's okay.

I’m not justifying anything, just observing the play. To be clear I wouldn’t dress him in any team makeup, 12/6, 11/7.

So I’m not defending him , I’m just breaking down the play as I’ve always done. The names on the back of the jerseys are completely irrelevant. I’ve hung my brother out to dry, analysing plays at a pro level, so I certainly wouldn’t be defending Burroughs.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I’m not justifying anything, just observing the play. To be clear I wouldn’t dress him in any team makeup, 12/6, 11/7.

So I’m not defending him , I’m just breaking down the play as I’ve always done. The names on the back of the jerseys are completely irrelevant. I’ve hung my brother out to dry, analysing plays at a pro level, so I certainly wouldn’t be defending Burroughs.

It's less at you and more a general observation

I don't know why people are contorting themselves into pretzels to point out 'well that play wasn't ENTIRELY' his fault over the entire season thus far when they just keep happening while he's out there. Either he's terrible or he's the unluckiest dude int he world willing everyone around him to be terrible when he's out there...either way, the results are terrible and it needs to stop. Hell maybe he IS doing everything totally right and other world-class players just go stupid when he's out there, even if THATs the case, voodoo is reason enough to dump him.

 

[LeftKinger]

Hiller has been good. It’s been said Hiller is more of a motivator than an X’s and O’s guy, compared to McLellan at least. You can even tell he goes by feel in some of his interview responses and his willingness to insert players in certain situations. He’s been far better with his lineup decisions. If the PP fired at even a decent clip, Kings would probably be tops in the league.

Took him a while to come around for the OT lineup, but think it’s a respect thing with players maybe. He was finally able to justify the changes given the team’s record this season in OT.

Playing Burroughs in any capacity is still a mistake though. The guy gets limited minutes and still manages to be a negative.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

I’m not justifying anything, just observing the play. To be clear I wouldn’t dress him in any team makeup, 12/6, 11/7.

So I’m not defending him , I’m just breaking down the play as I’ve always done. The names on the back of the jerseys are completely irrelevant. I’ve hung my brother out to dry, analysing plays at a pro level, so I certainly wouldn’t be defending Burroughs.

Imagine that....your own brudder......but what's worse.....is imagine having the ability to break down a play and not give a f*** who it's about....I can't ima....oh wait....

That's the entire point of breaking down the play.....

 

[King'sPawn]

It's less at you and more a general observation

I don't know why people are contorting themselves into pretzels to point out 'well that play wasn't ENTIRELY' his fault over the entire season thus far when they just keep happening while he's out there. Either he's terrible or he's the unluckiest dude int he world willing everyone around him to be terrible when he's out there...either way, the results are terrible and it needs to stop. Hell maybe he IS doing everything totally right and other world-class players just go stupid when he's out there, even if THATs the case, voodoo is reason enough to dump him.

It makes for interesting discussion between games.

And it's cool to sit on the sidelines this time listening to the points. Even if Burroughs has been an issue, it's important that we dissect the plays honestly, because next time it may not be about Burroughs.

As for the 0, 1, or 2 goals we "blame" him for, I'm closer on the 0-1 side of the spectrum. He was on the ice for a goal against, but it really wasn't his coverage that was bad. Would a better defenseman have limited the opposition's options further? Sure, but the entire line, including Rittich, sort of drifted off to sleep. Enough could have been done to mitigate his shortcomings.

Regarding the penalty, we either celebrate assertiveness/players sticking up for themselves or we don't. There are times where it can be undisciplined/not being smart about it. I think with Burroughs, it wasn't as egregious as most penalties.

Frankly, I wouldn't play him. But I also think people are getting carried away with blaming him for the team's woes like people used to with MacDermid.

But it's an interesting conversation nonetheless.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

It makes for interesting discussion between games.

And it's cool to sit on the sidelines this time listening to the points. Even if Burroughs has been an issue, it's important that we dissect the plays honestly, because next time it may not be about Burroughs.

As for the 0, 1, or 2 goals we "blame" him for, I'm closer on the 0-1 side of the spectrum. He was on the ice for a goal against, but it really wasn't his coverage that was bad. Would a better defenseman have limited the opposition's options further? Sure, but the entire line, including Rittich, sort of drifted off to sleep. Enough could have been done to mitigate his shortcomings.

Regarding the penalty, we either celebrate assertiveness/players sticking up for themselves or we don't. There are times where it can be undisciplined/not being smart about it. I think with Burroughs, it wasn't as egregious as most penalties.

Frankly, I wouldn't play him. But I also think people are getting carried away with blaming him for the team's woes like people used to with MacDermid.

But it's an interesting conversation nonetheless.

I'm fine with the discussion.

I'm not fine with the dismissal.

It doesn't matter who he is out there with, he is bleeding goals and opportunities lately with minimal icetime. Which is why I don't care about the 'blame' per se in that sense, dissecting a single goal for that purpose when it keeps happening is missing the forest for the trees. He's a liability that doesn't bring anything.

And no, I disagree we don't celebrate just any bullshit 'assertiveness,' a dude taking a bunch of facewash minors because no one takes him seriously isn't 'real' toughness.

In fact, his only 'toughness' this year was getting in a fight--and summarily getting his ass kicked--by Ryan O'Reilly of all people after surprise surprise getting easily sidestepped and making a dumb defensive play







his other 'toughness' was also selfish, he took a dumbass retaliatory boarding call because as per usual he couldn't handle the puck and got cleaned up behind his own net, then re-enacted swan lake with Peyton Krebs





So now in addition to all of the above you've also helped me realize he's not just a shitty player he's also a selfish physical player, only sticks up for himself, will facewash a dude or two for teammates but won't get his nose dirty otherwise. Pretty sweet 5 minute a game liability, glad he's there.

 

[Statto]

Imagine that....your own brudder......but what's worse.....is imagine having the ability to break down a play and not give a f*** who it's about....I can't ima....oh wait....

That's the entire point of breaking down the play.....

Yeah. My brother hates me LOL

I'm fine with the discussion.

I'm not fine with the dismissal.

It doesn't matter who he is out there with, he is bleeding goals and opportunities lately with minimal icetime. Which is why I don't care about the 'blame' per se in that sense, dissecting a single goal for that purpose when it keeps happening is missing the forest for the trees. He's a liability that doesn't bring anything.

And no, I disagree we don't celebrate just any bullshit 'assertiveness,' a dude taking a bunch of facewash minors because no one takes him seriously isn't 'real' toughness.

In fact, his only 'toughness' this year was getting in a fight--and summarily getting his ass kicked--by Ryan O'Reilly of all people after surprise surprise getting easily sidestepped and making a dumb defensive play







his other 'toughness' was also selfish, he took a dumbass retaliatory boarding call because as per usual he couldn't handle the puck and got cleaned up behind his own net, then re-enacted swan lake with Peyton Krebs





So now in addition to all of the above you've also helped me realize he's not just a shitty player he's also a selfish physical player, only sticks up for himself, will facewash a dude or two for teammates but won't get his nose dirty otherwise. Pretty sweet 5 minute a game liability, glad he's there.

Absolutely. I’d waive him happily.

 

[Faterson]

But that's nothing compared to people whining about people whining about people whining about Fiala.

Great

Fiala sucks.

Now we can start over.

Too bad. I thought we'd rather continue the cycle, instead of starting over.

May I reinterpret your post as complaining about me? That would make you whine about people whining about people whining about people whining about people whining about Fiala.

 

[Bandit]

The bolded above should have precluded him from being hired by the Kings.

Should have, but Blake’s a giant f***ing knob.

 

[bland]

Too bad. I thought we'd rather continue the cycle, instead of starting over.

May I reinterpret your post as complaining about me? That would make you whine about people whining about people whining about people whining about people whining about Fiala.

Do with it as you will.

Now there is likely a minus from being on for a shorty, the facts are that Fiala has 11 even strength points but is also a minus 11, meaning he is nearly twice as likely to be scored upon 5x5 than to score. No other regular skater comes even close to being that kind of liability.

It's not whining, it's a problem.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Do with it as you will.

Now there is likely a minus from being on for a shorty, the facts are that Fiala has 11 even strength points but is also a minus 11, meaning he is nearly twice as likely to be scored upon 5x5 than to score. No other regular skater comes even close to being that kind of liability.

It's not whining, it's a problem.

Just absolutely bonkers.

On a team that's +18.

 

[Jungle Boy]

Didn’t want to start a new tread but this is a really cool video. 4 2003 draftees (all from ohl) that became such a big part of the team history. Plus Anze and Quick