GDT: 2024-25 season game 30 LA Kings vs New York Rangers @10:00am 12/14/24

[Omni Owl]

I don't picture Kempe having this kind of success if they would've kept him at his draft position @ center. He wouldn't be putting up these kinds of numbers. Seems to be the Kings' M.O. under Blake, draft a young C and convert them to wing. I would be curious to see how he'd do right now @ C tho, he's on such a role it might work. He certainly has the speed and defensive ability, very little weakness in his game much like Kopi.

 

[Statto]

Clearly talking about PLD, lol and I disagree only to the extent of, yes he had red flags, but he also could have (didn't) could have turned his game around, he was still only 25, he could have matured etc, that's a gamble you take,

I would say the success rate of hitting a Kempe in the bottom 3rd of the draft has gotta be what, around 10%-15% maybe? That's without doing any research of course.....but when a team that hits 2 NHLers a year out of 7 draft picks, is labeled extremely well drafting, I'm thinking it's gotta be close to that.

I think with PLD had it been one team he’d had those problems I’d get it. However when the red flags are there with multiple organisations and coaches it’s hard to justify.

 

[Herby]

I wouldn't think either axl or herby were born yet when that trade for Ron g went down

and the value might be close for the fiala trade and the PLD trades BUT THE LEVEL OF STUPIDITY of the PLD trade makes it one of the worst, everyone but Blake knew that one was historically bad especially losing Gabe V,

I did not say all-time, I said in the last decade, which clearly doesn't include a trade that happened 45 years ago, if he attributed something else to me, well it wouldn't be the first time.

As far as comparing the two trades. I think there is a much bigger gap between Faber and Vilardi than there is between PLD and Fiala. Vilardi is a one-dimensional winger who, over the past three years (142 games) has put up about a 30 goal/ 60 point pace over a full 82 games, that is solid 2nd line production (similar to PLD's career numbers btw) but that just does not compare to a defenseman playing 25+ minutes a game in all situations, being one of the best shutdown players in the league, while also scoring at a 47 point pace his first two seasons in the league. Brock Faber just made a best vs best team USA at age 22, with less than 150 NHL games of experience, does everyone realize how remarkable an accomplishment that is?

kopi is in the top 50 of all time scoring and isn't higher tier. literally in the highest of tiers, but i don't know. just arguing for fun here.

No, I don't consider Kopitar in the highest tier in 2024/2025, I specifically mentioned the Colorado duo because that would be the type of top tier offensive players where you could get away with having a limited offensive player as the third piece to that line.

You consider Kopitar to be at the same tier as MacKinnon?

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

As far as comparing the two trades. I think there is a much bigger gap between Faber and Vilardi than there is between PLD and Fiala. Vilardi is a one-dimensional winger who, over the past three years (142 games) has put up about a 30 goal/ 60 point pace over a full 82 games, that is solid 2nd line production (similar to PLD's career numbers btw) but that just does not compare to a defenseman playing 25+ minutes a game in all situations, being one of the best shutdown players in the league, while also scoring at a 47 point pace his first two seasons in the league. Brock Faber just made a best vs best team USA at age 22, with less than 150 NHL games of experience, does everyone realize how remarkable an accomplishment that is?

You keep implying that the Kings received nothing for Faber - it's mind-numbing.

 

[Herby]

You keep implying that the Kings received nothing for Faber - it's mind-numbing.

No, I'm not. And my debates with ppl on this forum about Fiala show otherwise.

I'm just stating that Brock Faber as an asset is multiple levels more valuable than Gabe Vilardi, while Kevin Fiala and PLD are a lot closer.

But wouldn't expect anything less than you continuing to crap on Faber, what is funny is, if he were doing this in LA you would be on the rooftops singing the praises of everyone involved in the organization for drafting and developing him, but since he was traded you now insist he's overrated, citing members of the media in a one-game sample size. Although at least you have now stopped replying to my posts when I made the comment that he's the best player they drafted during the rebuild, insisting that the title actually belonged to Byfield (LOL!)

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

No, I'm not. And my debates with ppl on this forum about Fiala show otherwise.

I'm just stating that Brock Faber as an asset is multiple levels more valuable than Gabe Vilardi, while Kevin Fiala and PLD are a lot closer.

But wouldn't expect anything less than you continuing to crap on Faber, what is funny is, if he were doing this in LA you would be on the rooftops singing the praises of everyone involved in the organization for drafting and developing him, but since he was traded you now insist he's overrated, citing members of the media in a one-game sample size. Although at least you have now stopped replying to my posts when I made the comment that he's the best player they drafted during the rebuild, insisting that the title actually belonged to Byfield (LOL!)

LOL, never 'insisted he's overrated'....matter of fact, I know very little about him. I don't really care much because he's not on our team. What I do know is we acquired a dynamic, top line winger for him - we needed that and it works for me.

Brock Faber never played a single minute for the Kings, he was a prospect thats panned out well for the Wild, good for them. Blake made a move and addressed a need that the Kings had, good for us.

I'll shit on Blake all day long for the PLD debacle....but not for acquiring Fiala, that's just lame.

 

[Herby]

So you know "very little about him" but were comfortable enough last year to continually object to the opinion that he was the best player that LA has drafted between 2017 and that moment? An opinion that is near universal to anyone who follows the sport closely.

Ok.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

So you know "very little about him" but were comfortable enough last year to continually object to the opinion that he was the best player that LA has drafted between 2017 and that moment? An opinion that is near universal to anyone who follows the sport closely.

Ok.

Well if I didn't know much about him, why would I argue he was the best player LA drafted since 2017? huh?

From what I know and have seen, Vilardi has that spot. Don't really care about the argument in general, but you keep going cause I know you need to.

 

[Schrute farms]

I like Fiala and his offense. But i think calling him "a dynamic, top line winger" is quite a bit homerism / wishful thinking.

 

[bland]

I like Fiala and his offense. But i think calling him "a dynamic, top line winger" is quite a bit homerism / wishful thinking.

Lol, somebody actually said that?

Nobody worth reading, apparently.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

I like Fiala and his offense. But i think calling him "a dynamic, top line winger" is quite a bit homerism / wishful thinking.

I know, call me crazy but I'm a Kings fan. I'm on the wrong board, I get it.

 

[Herby]

So if Fiala were traded tomorrow to the Blackhawks or the Canucks he wouldn't be labeled a "dynamic top-line winger" anymore?

Some people like to have opinions of players based on how they play, and not based on what team they play for. Most people had an opinion of Faber that didn't change just because he was traded to the Wild, he was the same player after all, nothing changed to most people. Pretty insane to think how you'd view the player if he were doing this in LA.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

So if Fiala were traded tomorrow to the Blackhawks or the Canucks he wouldn't be labeled a "dynamic top-line winger" anymore?

Some people like to have opinions of players based on how they play, and not based on what team they play for. Most people had an opinion of Faber that didn't change just because he was traded to the Wild, he was the same player after all, nothing changed to most people. Pretty insane to think how you'd view the player if he were doing this in LA.

Bro, get over your Faber obsession - he's gone...he was never really here and he's not coming back.

 

[Herby]

Lol, somebody actually said that?

Nobody worth reading, apparently.

My favorite part, is if Fiala is traded this summer, he will hate him more than you do

 

[Lt Dan]

My favorite part, is if Fiala is traded this summer, he will hate him more than you do

You conjured a memory

 

[bland]

My favorite part, is if Fiala is traded this summer, he will hate him more than you do

I don't swim in that particularly stupid shit. Can't argue with people like that, they drive the conversation doooooooooown to their remedial level and everybody reading suffers for it.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

Lol, somebody actually said that?

Nobody worth reading, apparently.

Someone actually said this too….got some serious ‘guys-in-the-know’ around here: