2024-25 San Diego Gulls/Tulsa Oilers

[tomd]

He's still a long ways away but credit to Myatovic for having a pretty decent 2nd half after a very very very slow start.

 

[Static]

The mysak for perreault trade looks incredibly astute, even if mysak ends up being non-tendered.

Perreault finished his season 3+11 in 44 AHL games and even spent time in the ECHL. Mysak finished a breakout AHL season at 18+24 in 68 games.

 

[SmokeyDuck]

The mysak for perreault trade looks incredibly astute, even if mysak ends up being non-tendered.

Perreault finished his season 3+11 in 44 AHL games and even spent time in the ECHL. Mysak finished a breakout AHL season at 18+24 in 68 games.

Unless it was a Dman, those late first round picks by BowelMovement were pretty bad.

 

[GunnarStahl]

Unless it was a Dman, those late first round picks by BowelMovement were pretty bad.

To a certain extent I think Perreaults development was a victim of Covid. He did ok in the A for a teenager, but would have been better served in juniors.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Gulls end the season getting the extra point with a 5-4 victory. Colangelo completes a 2-goal, 4 point night in his AHL farewell with the OT winner, Luneau (2+1=3) and Mysak (3rd assist) with the helpers.

Colangelo also finishes the AHL season as the Gulls top goal scorer with 22 goals and top +/- with +11 rating as a rookie. Also, the Gulls might have a goal scoring battle between Pastujov and Sidorov next season.

 

[AngelDuck]

bummer not to make the playoffs again for SD but some real positive signs down there this season. Colangelo, Pastujov, Luneau, Sidorov had really strong seasons

Colangelo is in “too good for the AHL” territory now. The ducks are going to have to find a scoring role for him in the NHL next season

 

[Hockey Duckie]

bummer not to make the playoffs again for SD but some real positive signs down there this season. Colangelo, Pastujov, Luneau, Sidorov had really strong seasons

Colangelo is in “too good for the AHL” territory now. The ducks are going to have to find a scoring role for him in the NHL next season

What's wild is that Colangelo was the Ducks' best goals per game scorer when put into a scoring role. Colangelo is one of the few forwards that crashes the net and goes camping there. He camps out there on the PP as well, where he has 2 PPG's in his limited time on the PP.

 

[Arthuros]

Any loyal Gulls watchers have any thoughts on Warren?

 

[Static]

Any loyal Gulls watchers have any thoughts on Warren?

@mightyquack has had some extensive thoughts on him in this thread and recently in the trade rumors thread.

 

[Masch78]

Any loyal Gulls watchers have any thoughts on Warren?

Honestly I am higher on Konnor Smith than on Warren making the big team.

 

[mightyquack]

Any loyal Gulls watchers have any thoughts on Warren?

I made mention in the other thread that anything about Warren I say is because I'm pretty bullish on him as a prospect. This is based on my viewings of him as a Gull this season and the occasional game on CHL.tv last season.

In terms of defense, I sort of go on more further below in terms of his skating and physical play so the complete picture is by the end of the post. But his defense is solid, his gap control is pretty good, which is helped by the long reach he has. He manages to control it well most of the time, and doesn't really get beaten much around the outside (at least not enough where it becomes noticeable compared to say Luneau). Generally his positioning has been strong, sometimes has a lapse but not unexpected for a young defenceman in his first pro season, he typically is taking up the stick of the opposition forward and putting the body on them. One negative on the gap control is that sometimes he can be too passive which results in him getting pushed back toward his net a bit and leaving too much space for the forward. Typically happened with some of the smaller skilled forwards, which I wonder if there was hesitation that he may get blown past if he closes up too much. I think with more experience and backing his skating more, it won't really be an issue.

In terms of skating, I was surprised how well it transitioned to the AHL. He's got good speed and acceleration which helps him close gaps quickly, and his lateral movement is quite good to. While he's not an absolute jet, I can't recall off head many times at all where I was thinking his skating hurt him and looked poor. For a guy with his size, it's really a great asset as it allows him to play a real shutdown defensive game.

In terms of physical play, it's without a doubt his outstanding attribute. He consistently engages physically, however it's not just running round madly looking to eliminate forwards (though he's capable of it and wiped out more then his fair share of forwards with the Gulls), but also using it more smartly in terms of puck battles and just easing opponents out of the play off the puck (which is a great part of his defensive game too). He's strong along the boards and infront of the net, which again I feel is quite rare for a 20 year old playing in the AHL. He's also not afraid to pinch up when a forward is trying to rush the puck up, there were a few times he's pinched up and just bulldozed the forward.

In terms of an offensive game - it's non-existent, he's not going to do anything flashy or anything that will wow you, he knows his role isn't to move the puck and plays accordingly (aka with little risk). That being said, I think his breakout pass is underrated of sorts, not in terms of it will 'wow' you, but that it's usually a pretty safe and accurate play opposed to being a panicky throw up the ice, even under pressure. Though he sometimes doesn't feel pressure the best when he doesn't have much time, as he can sometimes get caught with his head down when receiving the puck and trying to settle it, opposed to having his eyes up.

I'm not a scout in any means, and I'll probably look like an idiot within a couple of years. But he's one of the more intriguing defensemen I've watched in San Diego with his make up. I honestly believe he has potential to be a top 4 shutdown RHD as he has all the tools for it.

 

[tomd]

I made mention in the other thread that anything about Warren I say is because I'm pretty bullish on him as a prospect. This is based on my viewings of him as a Gull this season and the occasional game on CHL.tv last season.

In terms of defense, I sort of go on more further below in terms of his skating and physical play so the complete picture is by the end of the post. But his defense is solid, his gap control is pretty good, which is helped by the long reach he has. He manages to control it well most of the time, and doesn't really get beaten much around the outside (at least not enough where it becomes noticeable compared to say Luneau). Generally his positioning has been strong, sometimes has a lapse but not unexpected for a young defenceman in his first pro season, he typically is taking up the stick of the opposition forward and putting the body on them. One negative on the gap control is that sometimes he can be too passive which results in him getting pushed back toward his net a bit and leaving too much space for the forward. Typically happened with some of the smaller skilled forwards, which I wonder if there was hesitation that he may get blown past if he closes up too much. I think with more experience and backing his skating more, it won't really be an issue.

In terms of skating, I was surprised how well it transitioned to the AHL. He's got good speed and acceleration which helps him close gaps quickly, and his lateral movement is quite good to. While he's not an absolute jet, I can't recall off head many times at all where I was thinking his skating hurt him and looked poor. For a guy with his size, it's really a great asset as it allows him to play a real shutdown defensive game.

In terms of physical play, it's without a doubt his outstanding attribute. He consistently engages physically, however it's not just running round madly looking to eliminate forwards (though he's capable of it and wiped out more then his fair share of forwards with the Gulls), but also using it more smartly in terms of puck battles and just easing opponents out of the play off the puck (which is a great part of his defensive game too). He's strong along the boards and infront of the net, which again I feel is quite rare for a 20 year old playing in the AHL. He's also not afraid to pinch up when a forward is trying to rush the puck up, there were a few times he's pinched up and just bulldozed the forward.

In terms of an offensive game - it's non-existent, he's not going to do anything flashy or anything that will wow you, he knows his role isn't to move the puck and plays accordingly (aka with little risk). That being said, I think his breakout pass is underrated of sorts, not in terms of it will 'wow' you, but that it's usually a pretty safe and accurate play opposed to being a panicky throw up the ice, even under pressure. Though he sometimes doesn't feel pressure the best when he doesn't have much time, as he can sometimes get caught with his head down when receiving the puck and trying to settle it, opposed to having his eyes up.

I'm not a scout in any means, and I'll probably look like an idiot within a couple of years. But he's one of the more intriguing defensemen I've watched in San Diego with his make up. I honestly believe he has potential to be a top 4 shutdown RHD as he has all the tools for it.

Very thorough recap...thanks. I'm curious about one other aspects of his game...does he play a "mean" physical game or is he more passive? I'm not asking if he is a goon...rather, does he like to initiate contact and does he hit hard when he makes contact?

 

[mightyquack]

Very thorough recap...thanks. I'm curious about one other aspects of his game...does he play a "mean" physical game or is he more passive? I'm not asking if he is a goon...rather, does he like to initiate contact and does he hit hard when he makes contact?

Sorry, thought I covered that one, but yes, he initiates contact regularly as it's the strongest part of his game and one of the reasons he stands out to me. Certainly doesn't miss a chance to lay the body or give a cross check to his opponent if the opportunity arises. He's not hitting people through the boards every single shift, but they are still paying a price.

And just another thought of my own, I was surprised when PV mentioned being impressed with the development of Hinds and made no mention of Warren (maybe around the TDL?). Hinds to me is a defenceman who can't find his niche just yet, and while his play isn't bad by any means, but some games he's a defensive guy, then other times he's trying to be a puck carrying defenceman. I would have thought Warren would stick out a lot more then to PV then Hinds.

 

[JAHV]

So, what I'm reading is that Warren is the next Zdeno Chara. Got it.

Thanks for the info!

 

[Hockey Duckie]

@mightyquack , if you have the time and are willing, then you can do a write-up on all the Gulls for the summer, like one write-up per two or three days. It would be great for everyone to see your perspective on them. That would also help us whenever we do the Ducks prospect ranking over the summer. I'd be looking forward to reading up your thoughts on Hinds whenever you get the chance.

Next season, you will be seeing more defensive competition with the additions of Solberg, Moore, and Konnor Smith.

 

[mightyquack]

So, what I'm reading is that Warren is the next Zdeno Chara. Got it.

Thanks for the info!

Haha, if that was the case, we'd have steal of the century. Definitely didn't mean for it to come across like that

He still has some warts, but ones that I think are correctable with good coaching and more experience/confidence that can make him into a top 4 guy.

 

[mightyquack]

@mightyquack , if you have the time and are willing, then you can do a write-up on all the Gulls for the summer, like one write-up per two or three days. It would be great for everyone to see your perspective on them. That would also help us whenever we do the Ducks prospect ranking over the summer. I'd be looking forward to reading up your thoughts on Hinds whenever you get the chance.

Next season, you will be seeing more defensive competition with the additions of Solberg, Moore, and Konnor Smith.

It would also have the potential to make me look an even bigger dumb dumb in a couple of years time

Depending on work where I'm fluctuating between regular 40 hour weeks and 10+ hours of OT a week, I'll give it a crack when time allows. At the very least I'll try and give some more thoughts on some of the prospects who I'd imagine would draw more interest here (Pasta, Luneau, Hinds, Gaucher, Sidorov).

Likes of Solberg and Moore are too small a sample size for me to write too much more then I have already and I won't bother with the likes of Wiebe, Lopina etc who either have no NHL future or won't be with the organisation next season.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

It would also have the potential to make me look an even bigger dumb dumb in a couple of years time

Depending on work where I'm fluctuating between regular 40 hour weeks and 10+ hours of OT a week, I'll give it a crack when time allows. At the very least I'll try and give some more thoughts on some of the prospects who I'd imagine would draw more interest here (Pasta, Luneau, Hinds, Gaucher, Sidorov).

Likes of Solberg and Moore are too small a sample size for me to write too much more then I have already and I won't bother with the likes of Wiebe, Lopina etc who either have no NHL future or won't be with the organisation next season.

You're giving us a snapsnot of who the prospect his for this season and this season alone. That is a lot of info that many of us would be glad to soak up on your review. You can leave out their NHL projections and comment on what you expect out of them next season. Plus, projections aren't definitive... they're like potential ceilings. Verbeek is throwing a lot of darts in hopes a couple can hit.

I appreciate all the reporting on the games throughout the season and on players, which includes Warren write-up. It helps me to know that despite Luneau's offensive outbreak in the 2nd half of the season, he still is a work in progress defensively. Currently in the NHL, Zell and Minty are still working on their defense. That means Luneau is probably best served staying in the AHL for another season.

 

[JAHV]

Haha, if that was the case, we'd have steal of the century. Definitely didn't mean for it to come across like that

He still has some warts, but ones that I think are correctable with good coaching and more experience/confidence that can make him into a top 4 guy.

You didn't. I'm just being sarcastic.

 

[tomd]

The most surprising (shocking?) thing about Warren is that for as athletically gifted as he is, he hasn't been able to develop a single iota of an offensive game. He could make many millions of dollars more in his career if he could simply approach average in that area. I hope that his complete lack of game in the offensive zone doesn't prevent him from making the league entirely.

 

[Arthuros]

The most surprising (shocking?) thing about Warren is that for as athletically gifted as he is, he hasn't been able to develop a single iota of an offensive game. He could make many millions of dollars more in his career if he could simply approach average in that area. I hope that his complete lack of game in the offensive zone doesn't prevent him from making the league entirely.

On the plus side...if he makes it, he probably won't ever be a super expensive guy to hang onto. We don't need him to be the driver - we need him to be the yin to our offensive LHD's yang.

 

[MMC]

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

Hmm, what tea leaves are these.

 

[Static]

Leaving for a better opportunity, or leaving because his services are no longer needed? Wonder what his function was for the gulls.

 

[mightyquack]

I posted back in Feb about it but Bret Hedican has been an interim assistant coach since the end of February with the Gulls having initially started as an analyst and the Gulls going with just Sparre as an assistant. I would assume Hedican stays on, and the Gulls will get a second assistant coach that has a bit more experience as it was a very young staff this season.