2024-25 San Diego Gulls/Tulsa Oilers

[Hockey Duckie]

I think your harping on the NHL players thing a little too much. Zelly is too good for the AHL, and Verbeek sees more positives in his development being in a rotation before we eventually move Dumo closer to the deadline. Is that the best thing for his development, probably not, is it going to stop him from reaching his potential longterm, again probably not.

Harkins is with the big club because Johnston is on the roster and McGinn got hurt. If McGinn isn’t hurt, and you sign another harkins then you are taking spots away from Gaucher and co in the AHL. Speaking of Harkins, I think we all agree Paul Maurice is on of the best coaches in the league, here is some words he has about harkins.



You can try to play meaningful games “pushing” for the playoffs and care about development at the same time, it’s not a one or the other. The longer Dumo stays on the team, the more we care about trying to win this year over completely being developing our young and core, which is a good thing in my mind. Doesn’t mean it’s the best way, but it would be nice to try and build a more winning culture for next season.

Think Macro

Who said Zell needs to go down? See, that's called cherry picking for your own thoughts. Helleson can go back down and see if he can apply what he did in the NHL level at the AHL level, but in a top-4 role. Like I said, y'all cherry picking. Think macro.

So what you're saying is our roster is great at both levels (AHL and NHL) that you see no reason where Verbeek or the Gulls GM could have added a bit more talent to not only shelter the kids but also help them along in the AHL level to begin the season? If you don't agree with it, then what are you typing?! Why are we in the damned basement at both levels? Why the hell are we rotating youths at the NHL level? (The latter queries are rhetorical questions to make my macro point more poignant.)

I don't think anyone is happy with the situation of rotating youths. Now, if there's an injury to our current NHL d-man group, then we're going to call up another youth. We already have done that with calling up Hinds to be our 7th D on a road trip when both Fowler and Vaak were out due to injury (and before Helleson was called up).

Collecting a whole bunch of talents just to sprawl them out without proper guidance or tutelage to see who rises to the top isn't a great way to develop youths. Youths teaching youths shouldn't be any GM's mantra, but it is for Verbeek at both the AHL and NHL levels. All of our offensive youth forwards have been struggling b/c they have to teach themselves what to do in a Cronin system.

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Development is taking a backseat to Winning?

You wrote, "The longer Dumo stays on the team, the more we care about trying to win this year." That means putting the youth development on the backburner and be okay with the rotation. We currently have the fifth worst team in points in the league after 49 games played. We are currently the 4th worst team in points in the Western Conference.

What you're saying is the youth who is sitting in the press box gets to be the best cheerleader?

 

[mightyquack]

Who

Who ideally is his partner ? Zelly / Minty / LaCombe ?

Assuming he continues to develop, I would say he fits with any of them - he'll be your traditional stay at home defense first guy who can use the body well.

What's your scouting report on Hinds? Is he being groomed similarly to how Helleson was being groomed, such as an all-around d-man than just a shutdown role? Thx in adv for the response!

I don't think Hinds has the puck skills to be a two way guy (for what it's worth, I don't see Helleson as a two way guy at the NHL level either). Hinds pretty much has been rotated decently between partners, spent time with Warren as a shutdown pairing, some time with Luneau as the LD and other times with Heatherington as the RD. Either way, common factor is that he's typically the more defensive of the two, the exception being when he's with Warren where he tries to take the game on a bit more, but that's not really his game IMO.

I think Hinds is similar to Warren, however I don't think he uses his body as much as he can, however it is worth noting Hinds still has a bit of growing into his frame to do (he's giving up about 25 pounds to Warren). Skating is good for his size, maybe quicker then Warren in a straight line but a touch worse edge wise. Hinds can be panicky with the puck at times - especially under pressure, where he has a bad habit of just throwing it away without much thought, it's why I don't see much two way play in his future, strikes me as a defense first guy at the NHL level.

Personally I have him a touch below Warren, and to be fair he has a harder path into the NHL as I don't see him displacing any of Zellweger/Minty/LaCombe and I need to see a lot more of him at RD before thinking he can play there long term.

Mysak continues his strong production with a goal in the first.

He's been a pleasant surprise, hopefully he sticks around the Gulls as he's a good piece there. Him and Pasta have real good chemistry.

Kinda want to try him at 4C and try to get Harkins back down there

Gaucher should be the first option to try at 4C and it's not particularly close.

 

[TheDarkWingThatDucks]

Think Macro

Who said Zell needs to go down? See, that's called cherry picking for your own thoughts. Helleson can go back down and see if he can apply what he did in the NHL level at the AHL level, but in a top-4 role. Like I said, y'all cherry picking. Think macro.

So what you're saying is our roster is great at both levels (AHL and NHL) that you see no reason where Verbeek or the Gulls GM could have added a bit more talent to not only shelter the kids but also help them along in the AHL level to begin the season? If you don't agree with it, then what are you typing?! Why are we in the damned basement at both levels? Why the hell are we rotating youths at the NHL level? (The latter queries are rhetorical questions to make my macro point more poignant.)

I don't think anyone is happy with the situation of rotating youths. Now, if there's an injury to our current NHL d-man group, then we're going to call up another youth. We already have done that with calling up Hinds to be our 7th D on a road trip when both Fowler and Vaak were out due to injury (and before Helleson was called up).

Collecting a whole bunch of talents just to sprawl them out without proper guidance or tutelage to see who rises to the top isn't a great way to develop youths. Youths teaching youths shouldn't be any GM's mantra, but it is for Verbeek at both the AHL and NHL levels. All of our offensive youth forwards have been struggling b/c they have to teach themselves what to do in a Cronin system.

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Development is taking a backseat to Winning?

You wrote, "The longer Dumo stays on the team, the more we care about trying to win this year." That means putting the youth development on the backburner and be okay with the rotation. We currently have the fifth worst team in points in the league after 49 games played. We are currently the 4th worst team in points in the Western Conference.

What you're saying is the youth who is sitting in the press box gets to be the best cheerleader?

I just can’t take you seriously when you say “Think Macro”, and then say “Why are we in the damned basement at both levels?”

Both our levels the past 2 seasons have had one of the 5 youngest rosters. Young rosters in most cases don’t win a lot of games.

Both teams have been focused on individual development plans for their young players, which is ….. thinking macro.

Ps : appreciate all the work you do with stats for our prospects, but for someone who complains constantly about people putting words in your mouth, you sure do it yourself quite a lot.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

do you think pastajov gets a look lost deadline?

I know he’s prob behind colangelo, nesterenko, and prob a guy like mysak…. But I feel like it would be nice to give him a game or few as a reward for his play and added motivation going into offseason

 

[mightyquack]

do you think pastajov gets a look lost deadline?

I know he’s prob behind colangelo, nesterenko, and prob a guy like mysak…. But I feel like it would be nice to give him a game or few as a reward for his play and added motivation going into offseason

Personally I'd rather see Pasta stay in the AHL this season and continue his stellar play and see what Colangelo can do on Carlsson's wing at the NHL level.

Maybe a couple of games at the end of the season (similar to Colangelo).

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Personally I'd rather see Pasta stay in the AHL this season and continue his stellar play and see what Colangelo can do on Carlsson's wing at the NHL level.

Maybe a couple of games at the end of the season (similar to Colangelo).

Oh ya not suggesting he stays up with Anaheim… just a game or 2 as a reward…. Plus kinda let him see the speed of the nhl and what he might need to work on in offseason.

Should be in ahl next year too until deadline at least.

 

[Anaheim4ever]

I'm honestly surprised with Mysak this season. The way he looked last year I thought he'd end up like Badini and McLaughlin. Meanwhile is Perreault going to school to become a NYC accountant ?

 

[TheDarkWingThatDucks]

I know Matt McIlvane isn’t a good coach, because his record proves it. But sometimes even terrible coaches at least can offer some good insight. Which Matt also doesn’t do here, because he is an awful coach. But to those who are curious about your future Ducks coach, here’s a little interview he did recently.

Honestly seems like a like-able guy, but his team is the worst in the division, and 3rd worst in the league. Why does Verbeek insist on hiring these imbecile coaches, these rosters should be competitions for championships, or at least the underlining numbers should be painting a picture where I can point to why my team will be successful in the future.

Just sometimes frustrating to watch Verbeek and Co ruin any chance this team has at being successful, honestly I don’t think if we fired Cronin and McIlvane for Maurice and Bednar today, we could salvage this train wreck.