Salary Cap: 2024-25 Salary cap

[zzoo]

We'll have $17.9M (=7.4 + 10.5 Price) available in salary cap.

https://www.habseyesontheprize.com/montreal-canadiens-salary-cap-chart-visualization-situation-2024-25-season-aav-cap-hit-contracts-juraj-slafkovsky-carey-price-kaiden-guhle-arber-xhekaj/

Months ago, I've heard many people saying that we'll have more than $20M in cap, some even mentioned $25M. What am I missing here ? $17.9M is much lower than I expected.

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[Scintillating10]

We'll have $17.9M (=7.4 + 10.5 Price) available in salary cap.

https://www.habseyesontheprize.com/montreal-canadiens-salary-cap-chart-visualization-situation-2024-25-season-aav-cap-hit-contracts-juraj-slafkovsky-carey-price-kaiden-guhle-arber-xhekaj/

Months ago, I've heard many people saying that we'll have more than $20M in cap, some even mentioned $25M. What am I missing here ? $17.9M is much lower than I expected.

Are you counting Wifi salary?

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

We'll have $17.9M (=7.4 + 10.5 Price) available in salary cap.

https://www.habseyesontheprize.com/montreal-canadiens-salary-cap-chart-visualization-situation-2024-25-season-aav-cap-hit-contracts-juraj-slafkovsky-carey-price-kaiden-guhle-arber-xhekaj/

Months ago, I've heard many people saying that we'll have more than $20M in cap, some even mentioned $25M. What am I missing here ? $17.9M is much lower than I expected.

Since the deadline, we added ~$3M against the cap with Allen's retained salary and bonus carryforwards of just over $1M.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Yeah, we don't have $20m-$25m in cap space.

Currently, we have just over $9m in cap space, which includes Price on our roster and not on LTIR.

Roster: $62.795m
Forwards: $46.4m
Defense: $12.355m
Goal: $4.04m

Deadcap: $5.291,25m
Retained Salary: $4.268,75m
Bonus Overages: $1.022,5m

Price: $10.5m

Total: $78,586,250

Max Cap: $87.7m

Cap Space: +$9,113,750

You're allowed to go above 10% on the Max Cap in summer, so summer cap is $87.7m + $8.77m = $96.47m. Our absolute max cap space is $17,883,750.

However, there's no way Montreal does that. My expectation for Montreal this year is for Price to be on IR and not on LTIR for the entire year.

So far, I've been right as far as how Montreal approaches the Price contract.

In year one, they put him on pre-season LTIR, maximized his cap space (brought in Monahan), and put Byron and others on LTIR in season to provide cap room.

In year two, they went over by about $1m and a bit, sent down a few players before Opening Day, put Price on LTIR on day one creating our cap space for us then recalled the players.

In year 3, the goal is not to put Price on LTIR, but to have him fit within the roster and accrue cap space. If we do this, it will ensure no bonus overages for the 2025-2026 season, and all of our dead cap will be gone (except for Gallagher's & maybe Anderson's contracts lol) for that season.

In summer 2025, with only one year left on his contract, the hope is Montreal can trade Price to a team that needs to reach the cap floor. Potential teams are Chicago and San Jose.

We will have completely reset the stupid cap situation Bergevin left by summer of 2025 by continuing in this way.


I expect us to do very little this summer.

As far as contracts go:

Barron: one year, one-way, $950k
Xhekaj: two year, one-way, $950k & $1.2m

That gives us $5m-$6m in cap space to add someone in UFA depending on how much space Montreal wants to start the season with.

 

[Scintillating10]

Yeah, we don't have $20m-$25m in cap space.

Currently, we have just over $9m in cap space, which includes Price on our roster and not on LTIR.

Roster: $62.795m
Forwards: $46.4m
Defense: $12.355m
Goal: $4.04m

Deadcap: $5.291,25m
Retained Salary: $4.268,75m
Bonus Overages: $1.022,5m

Price: $10.5m

Total: $78,586,250

Max Cap: $87.7m

Cap Space: +$9,113,750

You're allowed to go above 10% on the Max Cap in summer, so summer cap is $87.7m + $8.77m = $96.47m. Our absolute max cap space is $17,883,750.

However, there's no way Montreal does that. My expectation for Montreal this year is for Price to be on IR and not on LTIR for the entire year.

So far, I've been right as far as how Montreal approaches the Price contract.

In year one, they put him on pre-season LTIR, maximized his cap space (brought in Monahan), and put Byron and others on LTIR in season to provide cap room.

In year two, they went over by about $1m and a bit, sent down a few players before Opening Day, put Price on LTIR on day one creating our cap space for us then recalled the players.

In year 3, the goal is not to put Price on LTIR, but to have him fit within the roster and accrue cap space. If we do this, it will ensure no bonus overages for the 2025-2026 season, and all of our dead cap will be gone (except for Gallagher's & maybe Anderson's contracts lol) for that season.

In summer 2025, with only one year left on his contract, the hope is Montreal can trade Price to a team that needs to reach the cap floor. Potential teams are Chicago and San Jose.

We will have completely reset the stupid cap situation Bergevin left by summer of 2025 by continuing in this way.


I expect us to do very little this summer.

As far as contracts go:

Barron: one year, one-way, $950k
Xhekaj: two year, one-way, $950k & $1.2m

That gives us $5m-$6m in cap space to add someone in UFA depending on how much space Montreal wants to start the season with.

We can't do much then can we

 

[Seb]

We can't do much then can we

And it's fine, we want to give space for the kids to learn and develop.

We're pretty close to "it", there will soon be a tsunami of prospects coming and we need to be ready.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

We can't do much then can we

No, but if we get a young player the contract might be cheaper. Newhook signed for $2.9m. Someone like William Carrier could help the 4th line. He would come under $2m. Hughes has said not to expect much via UFA.

I expect them to be conservative again.

 

[Scintillating10]

And it's fine, we want to give space for the kids to learn and develop.

We're pretty close to "it", there will soon be a tsunami of prospects coming and we need to be ready.

It's good that way.

No, but if we get a young player the contract might be cheaper. Newhook signed for $2.9m. Someone like William Carrier could help the 4th line. He would come under $2m. Hughes has said not to expect much via UFA.

I expect them to be conservative again.

I expect another Dach Newhook type trade. A young player before they break out, on moderate contract

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

No, but if we get a young player the contract might be cheaper. Newhook signed for $2.9m. Someone like William Carrier could help the 4th line. He would come under $2m. Hughes has said not to expect much via UFA.

I expect them to be conservative again.

Or Kakko who I expect we make a move on with the 26th

 

[Scintillating10]

Or Kakko who I expect we make a move on with the 26th

I think Kakko was overhyped. Around 300 NHL games, it's basically what you going to get. I certainly wouldn't give up Jets pick for him.

A lot from Finnish league overhyped. Puljujarvi, Kotkaniemi, etc...

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

I think Kakko was overhyped. Around 300 NHL games, it's basically what you going to get. I certainly wouldn't give up Jets pick for him.

A lot from Finnish league overhyped. Puljujarvi, Kotkaniemi, etc...

I could easily see him becoming a Josh Bailey type with the right development from here on out

 

[eklund the clown]

Or Kakko who I expect we make a move on with the 26th

He is certainly not worth a first not even close .Maybe the 260th pick

 

[Scintillating10]

I could easily see him becoming a Josh Bailey type with the right development from here on out

Get Kakko in a year for nothing. We stacked in bottom 6 for this season. A year from now I expect Dvorak, Armia, Gally, Anderson all be gone. Sign him then.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

It's good that way.


I expect another Dach Newhook type trade. A young player before they break out, on moderate contract

Yes, exactly. They really can't afford to go too deep into UFAs.

 

[Kaiden Ghoul]

Or Kakko who I expect we make a move on with the 26th

Would do that... i believe he still can put 45 -50 points while providing elite defensive play

Slaf Kakko Suzuki would be a really great bunch 2 way player with Roy on the way, Dach is also solid


Oh hes also 6f2 200+Lbs

 

[BLONG7]

I could see us with a tweak to the bottom 6 and picking up a ufa, but other than that it will be a hockey trade or two which will have money in and money going out.....
They have managed the cap very well while stock piling picks and some prospects.

The three things I am excited about this upcoming season....
Dach staying healthy
Adding a young RFA in a hockey trade
Picking a good young F with #5

 

[Sorinth]

We'll have $17.9M (=7.4 + 10.5 Price) available in salary cap.

https://www.habseyesontheprize.com/montreal-canadiens-salary-cap-chart-visualization-situation-2024-25-season-aav-cap-hit-contracts-juraj-slafkovsky-carey-price-kaiden-guhle-arber-xhekaj/

Months ago, I've heard many people saying that we'll have more than $20M in cap, some even mentioned $25M. What am I missing here ? $17.9M is much lower than I expected.

Don't remember anyone saying 25m, but we are at 19.6m in cap space right now with Price on LTIR, we were over 20m a few months ago because the 1m in cap overages wasn't being taken into account.

I would suggest using capfriendly for an accurate account over the website you linked.

 

[Whalers Fan]

Yeah, we don't have $20m-$25m in cap space.

Currently, we have just over $9m in cap space, which includes Price on our roster and not on LTIR.

Roster: $62.795m
Forwards: $46.4m
Defense: $12.355m
Goal: $4.04m

Deadcap: $5.291,25m
Retained Salary: $4.268,75m
Bonus Overages: $1.022,5m

Price: $10.5m

Total: $78,586,250

Max Cap: $87.7m

Cap Space: +$9,113,750

You're allowed to go above 10% on the Max Cap in summer, so summer cap is $87.7m + $8.77m = $96.47m. Our absolute max cap space is $17,883,750.

However, there's no way Montreal does that. My expectation for Montreal this year is for Price to be on IR and not on LTIR for the entire year.

So far, I've been right as far as how Montreal approaches the Price contract.

In year one, they put him on pre-season LTIR, maximized his cap space (brought in Monahan), and put Byron and others on LTIR in season to provide cap room.

In year two, they went over by about $1m and a bit, sent down a few players before Opening Day, put Price on LTIR on day one creating our cap space for us then recalled the players.

In year 3, the goal is not to put Price on LTIR, but to have him fit within the roster and accrue cap space. If we do this, it will ensure no bonus overages for the 2025-2026 season, and all of our dead cap will be gone (except for Gallagher's & maybe Anderson's contracts lol) for that season.

In summer 2025, with only one year left on his contract, the hope is Montreal can trade Price to a team that needs to reach the cap floor. Potential teams are Chicago and San Jose.

We will have completely reset the stupid cap situation Bergevin left by summer of 2025 by continuing in this way.


I expect us to do very little this summer.

As far as contracts go:

Barron: one year, one-way, $950k
Xhekaj: two year, one-way, $950k & $1.2m

That gives us $5m-$6m in cap space to add someone in UFA depending on how much space Montreal wants to start the season with.

The other possibility for moving Price earlier would be a situation similar to when the Habs moved Shea Weber's contract -- find a team that needs to free up cap space to make a Cup run and sends an unwanted expiring contract for Price in order to put him on LTIR. I am not sure if there is a team that fits this situation for the upcoming season, though.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

The other possibility for moving Price earlier would be a situation similar to when the Habs moved Shea Weber's contract -- find a team that needs to free up cap space to make a Cup run and sends an unwanted expiring contract for Price in order to put him on LTIR. I am not sure if there is a team that fits this situation for the upcoming season, though.

Vegas kind of is again, but they have an LTIR candidate already in Lehner. They don't have anyone like Dadonov to trade and I don't see them trading either one of Theodore or McNabb.

NYI. I know they're trying to move Pageau, but he has 2 years left on his contract.

TB, but like Vegas they don't have a Dadonov type contract unless they want to move Jeannot.

Price still has heavy payouts for bonuses, so I don't expect we'll move him until his final signing bonus is given out.

 

[absolute garbage]

In year 3, the goal is not to put Price on LTIR, but to have him fit within the roster and accrue cap space. If we do this, it will ensure no bonus overages for the 2025-2026 season, and all of our dead cap will be gone (except for Gallagher's & maybe Anderson's contracts lol) for that season.

What kind of bonuses are you expecting them to hit next season? Like 1-2M?

Seems like a very minor thing to be concerned about.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

What kind of bonuses are you expecting them to hit next season? Like 1-2M?

Seems like a very minor thing to be concerned about.

It depends on who makes the team. Still it would be nice to not have any dead cap next year. But, if Montreal really wants to sign someone, they can put Price on LTIR on Opening day like last season and use that cap space.

 

[Scintillating10]

No, but if we get a young player the contract might be cheaper. Newhook signed for $2.9m. Someone like William Carrier could help the 4th line. He would come under $2m. Hughes has said not to expect much via UFA.

I expect them to be conservative again.

Habs need offense for what caproom they do have

 

[Habs Halifax]

Yeah, we don't have $20m-$25m in cap space.

Currently, we have just over $9m in cap space, which includes Price on our roster and not on LTIR.

Roster: $62.795m
Forwards: $46.4m
Defense: $12.355m
Goal: $4.04m

Deadcap: $5.291,25m
Retained Salary: $4.268,75m
Bonus Overages: $1.022,5m

Price: $10.5m

Total: $78,586,250

Max Cap: $87.7m

Cap Space: +$9,113,750

You're allowed to go above 10% on the Max Cap in summer, so summer cap is $87.7m + $8.77m = $96.47m. Our absolute max cap space is $17,883,750.

However, there's no way Montreal does that. My expectation for Montreal this year is for Price to be on IR and not on LTIR for the entire year.

So far, I've been right as far as how Montreal approaches the Price contract.

In year one, they put him on pre-season LTIR, maximized his cap space (brought in Monahan), and put Byron and others on LTIR in season to provide cap room.

In year two, they went over by about $1m and a bit, sent down a few players before Opening Day, put Price on LTIR on day one creating our cap space for us then recalled the players.

In year 3, the goal is not to put Price on LTIR, but to have him fit within the roster and accrue cap space. If we do this, it will ensure no bonus overages for the 2025-2026 season, and all of our dead cap will be gone (except for Gallagher's & maybe Anderson's contracts lol) for that season.

In summer 2025, with only one year left on his contract, the hope is Montreal can trade Price to a team that needs to reach the cap floor. Potential teams are Chicago and San Jose.

We will have completely reset the stupid cap situation Bergevin left by summer of 2025 by continuing in this way.


I expect us to do very little this summer.

As far as contracts go:

Barron: one year, one-way, $950k
Xhekaj: two year, one-way, $950k & $1.2m

That gives us $5m-$6m in cap space to add someone in UFA depending on how much space Montreal wants to start the season with.

Harris got a 2 year bridge at $1.4M. I suspect that's close to what Barron and Xhekaj get. For the purpose of safe cap room, I put them both in at $2M for 2 years.

I built a 23 man roster with $14.9M in cap space. It calculates everything for you on cap friendly (armchair GM module). This includes the overages and the retained salaries.

I think there will be changes but we do have lots of cap. I think there is a fair chance Dvorak is with us till TDL (we can use his center depth) but not sure about Armia.

We'll have $17.9M (=7.4 + 10.5 Price) available in salary cap.

https://www.habseyesontheprize.com/montreal-canadiens-salary-cap-chart-visualization-situation-2024-25-season-aav-cap-hit-contracts-juraj-slafkovsky-carey-price-kaiden-guhle-arber-xhekaj/

Months ago, I've heard many people saying that we'll have more than $20M in cap, some even mentioned $25M. What am I missing here ? $17.9M is much lower than I expected.

If no changes and both Barron and Xhekaj are bridged, I got $14.9M in cap room. This is the most accurate (cap friendly armchair GM).

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Harris got a 2 year bridge at $1.4M. I suspect that's close to what Barron and Xhekaj get. For the purpose of safe cap room, I put them both in at $2M for 2 years.

I built a 23 man roster with $14.9M in cap space. It calculates everything for you on cap friendly (armchair GM module). This includes the overages and the retained salaries.

I think there will be changes but we do have lots of cap. I think there is a fair chance Dvorak is with us till TDL (we can use his center depth) but not sure about Armia.

Neither is getting close to $2m per. I think they both come in under Harris, as they were AHLers at one point this year, while Harris never went down to the A.

Also, I don't see Price on your cap?

 

[Habs Halifax]

Neither is getting close to $2m per. I think they both come in under Harris, as they were AHLers at one point this year, while Harris never went down to the A.

Also, I don't see Price on your cap?

Price is there on LTIR. Just not captured in the window snip. I really like that armchair GM module. It's fun to use and it's accurate. With the LTIR contracts, it doesn't add to the cap ceiling like the main page, it just subtracts it

Yes, I said $2M for both Barron and Xhekaj to calculate safe cap room. If they are at Harris or under, add $1M... so it's 23 players with around $16M in cap.