Speculation: 2024-25 Roster Thread

[Leonardo87]

 

[Hockey Duckie]

There is an element of luck in that we were one of the teams on a tiny trade list that he had.

Was Pronger's trade list ever disclosed? Maybe Burke shouldn't get as much credit for that, but i kind of remember it being out of the blue. Seems like he did a really great job putting that together. With Kesler, we were hearing for a while that we were in the mix for him along with Spezza and were very much in the driver's seat - i just think that deal was a slam dunk - and it was probably the only 'big' acquisition Murray ever made (FA/Trade). If you compare him to Burke or Doug Wilson in that respect, it's not impressive. I think the Gauthier trade is probably the most impressive of the 3 actually, Pat deserves a lot of credit for scoping that out and jumping on it. There were a lot of teams in the mix.

No argument about Burke's drafting, he was awful and bailed on the team ultimately. Murray was solid with that. Something that's interesting about Burke/Murray is that despite Murray working with Burke in Vancouver and Anaheim for several years, his strengths, weaknesses, successes, and failures were kind of the exact opposite of Burke's.

Kelser wanted to go to a contender and listed two teams: Chicago and Anaheim. Therein lies the missing context about "luck". The Ducks won the Pacific Division twice before Kesler decided to leave Vancouver. Murray gets credit for having a contender of a team established for Kesler to consider.

As for the Cutter trade, Philly wanted an NHL-ready d-man and preferably a RD. Verbeek got lucky b/c LaCombe was a good enough plug playing RD in his rookie year, Minty looked very good sheltered on the 3rd line, Vaaks was finally healthy, and Zell was offensively tearing up the AHL. Those youths made RD Drysdale expendable. Murray was/is working for Philly to give the org insight into Drysdale into being one of those potential RD's to get. Remember, Drysdale has been made out of glass for the past two seasons and should be a tremendous red flag unless you have some insider info. Between the Kesler, Pronger, and Cutter trade, it appears the Cutter trade was probably the luckiest of the three considering all the situational web strands involved.

 

[Mr Rogers]

Kelser wanted to go to a contender and listed two teams: Chicago and Anaheim. Therein lies the missing context about "luck". The Ducks won the Pacific Division twice before Kesler decided to leave Vancouver. Murray gets credit for having a contender of a team established for Kesler to consider.

As for the Cutter trade, Philly wanted an NHL-ready d-man and preferably a RD. Verbeek got lucky b/c LaCombe was a good enough plug playing RD in his rookie year, Minty looked very good sheltered on the 3rd line, Vaaks was finally healthy, and Zell was offensively tearing up the AHL. Those youths made RD Drysdale expendable. Murray was/is working for Philly to give the org insight into Drysdale into being one of those potential RD's to get. Remember, Drysdale has been made out of glass for the past two seasons and should be a tremendous red flag unless you have some insider info. Between the Kesler, Pronger, and Cutter trade, it appears the Cutter trade was probably the luckiest of the three considering all the situational web strands involved.

Agree to disagree

 

[Hockey Duckie]

The Athletic came out with their top d-pair rankings. LaCombe-Gudas pairing ranks 20th best with a Goal Differential/60 minutes at 0.11 (GF/60 = 2.45; GA/60 = 2.34). Team's top d-pair rankings below the Ducks are Minny, Utah, Seattle, SJ, Vegas, Toronto, Pitt, Philly, Montreal, Chicago, Nashville, and Ottawa. That's a varied mix of teams from a division leader to the worst team in the league, with respect to points, below us. Guess that proves playoff teams have a better supporting cast if their top pairing-d rank below us.

Eastern Conference 2nd Wild Card team, as of 3-22: Montreal (75 pts)
Playoff teams/Playoff hunt:

• Toronto (87 pts, 2nd in Atlantic)
• Ottawa (79 pts, 1st Wild card)
• Montreal (75 pts, 2nd Wild card)

Western Conference 2nd Wild Card team, as of 3-22: St. Louis (79 pts)
Playoff teams/Playoff hunt:

• Vegas (90 pts, 1st in Pacific)
• Minny (85 pts, 1st Wild card)
• Utah (75 pts; 4 pts from 2nd Wild card)

 

[AngelDuck]

One of the biggest issues I see with the roster going into next season is that we’re basically guaranteed to have a right side of our defense of:

Gudas
Trouba
Helleson

There’s absolutely no way you make playoffs with that as your right side. I like Helleson and think he settles in as a good #4/5 RHD but there’s very minimal upside to that group

At least on the left side you can justify things by crossing your fingers and hoping Minty/Zellweger get a lot better in the next 8 months.

 

[Rasp]

One of the biggest issues I see with the roster going into next season is that we’re basically guaranteed to have a right side of our defense of:

Gudas
Trouba
Helleson

There’s absolutely no way you make playoffs with that as your right side. I like Helleson and think he settles in as a good #4/5 RHD but there’s very minimal upside to that group

At least on the left side you can justify things by crossing your fingers and hoping Minty/Zellweger get a lot better in the next 8 months.

Luneau and Moore are definitely going to shake things up on the right. Gudas and Trouba both have only 1 year left so could see themselves moved at the deadline to free up ice time.

 

[AngelDuck]

Luneau and Moore are definitely going to shake things up on the right. Gudas and Trouba both have only 1 year left so could see themselves moved at the deadline to free up ice time.

Sure but the deadline in the NHL happens with 25-30 games left in the season.

IMO the plan is for Gudas and Trouba to be staples on the blueline the vast majority of next season

 

[91Fedorov]

Luneau and Moore are definitely going to shake things up on the right. Gudas and Trouba both have only 1 year left so could see themselves moved at the deadline to free up ice time.

Yeah, I agree with this. Luneau seems like he's ready to make the jump, but he hasn't won it yet. Having the 3 guys we have there now means Luneau and Moore don't have to be rushed.

I think this year Luneau will need to outplay Helleson to get playing time, and if he does we'll sit Helleson in the short term and move Gudas in the long term. But that's only if he takes the job and runs with it.

I think it's too early to say with Moore. We'll get a better idea once we see him in the NHL/AHL. I think, if Luneau and/or Moore look shaky, we re-sign Trouba as insurance.

 

[Anaheim4ever]

Hypothetically if all 3 of Luneau, Helleson and Moore pan out.
LaCombe/Luneau
Mintyukov/Moore
Zellweger/Helleson
Someone becomes trade bait to make room for Sjolberg at some point.

 

[Leonardo87]

Special teams have really cost them a lot of points this year. I just don't understand why they are so bad. I think they need to simplify things on the PP. No one shoots from the point, no one is screening the goalie as much, and There is no QB, no one directing traffic. It's Whack-a-mole. They basically wait for the other team to make a mistake. There is no movement, This teams talent is being wasted. I get Carolina has a good PK, but law of averages, should have potted at least one goal last night.

 

[The Duck Knight]

Special teams have really cost them a lot of points this year. I just don't understand why they are so bad. I think they need to simplify things on the PP. No one shoots from the point, no one is screening the goalie as much, and There is no QB, no one directing traffic. It's Whack-a-mole. They basically wait for the other team to make a mistake. There is no movement, This teams talent is being wasted. I get Carolina has a good PK, but law of averages, should have potted at least one goal last night.

You just listed a lot of problems on the PP but not even the 2 biggest ones. Winning faceoffs and zone entries. This team's biggest issue on the PP is that they barely ever have control in the O-zone to attack.