Speculation: 2024-25 Roster thread

[Hockey Duckie]

Killorn isn’t screwing anything up, he’s playing his game. A style of game quite a few of us feel isn’t suited to Carlsson’s strengths. That’s it. We’re not saying Killorn is at fault, and most of us also point out that Carlsson needs to share blame for his bad plays he makes far to often.

I think Mac and Killorn are on the same page of how to play, but Killorn is better defensively. I'd like to see Mac center Killorn and have Cutter on the wing.

Vatrano-Strome-Terry
Cutter-Mac-Killorn
Z-Carlsson-Fabbri
Harkins-Lundy-Johnston (if he actually delivers hits and fights instead of hugs)

 

[ScarTroy]

I think Mac and Killorn are on the same page of how to play, but Killorn is better defensively. I'd like to see Mac center Killorn and have Cutter on the wing.

Vatrano-Strome-Terry
Cutter-Mac-Killorn
Z-Carlsson-Fabbri
Harkins-Lundy-Johnston (if he actually delivers hits and fights instead of hugs)

I’d be more than fine with that.

 

[lwvs84]

Killorn's speed (or lack thereof) is the problem. He still has good instincts and he's rediscovered his hands miraculously. I'm stuck with how to get the most out of him - feels like him next to Z or Leo IS the answer until we upgrade the top 6 and he can play lower in the lineup (my preference)

I think the problem right now is he needs to play with someone that can slow the game down. Carlsson hasn't learned how to do that (yet?). Zegras can, McTavish can, Terry probably can. Carlsson seems to need guys that can play with the speed and pace he does.

 

[ZegrassyKnoll]

I think Mac and Killorn are on the same page of how to play, but Killorn is better defensively. I'd like to see Mac center Killorn and have Cutter on the wing.

Vatrano-Strome-Terry
Cutter-Mac-Killorn
Z-Carlsson-Fabbri
Harkins-Lundy-Johnston (if he actually delivers hits and fights instead of hugs)

I agree completely with Mac/Killorn, but I think Cutter is one of, if not the fastest forward we have right now and might be hampered by those two.

Z is pretty quick but he is good enough to slow the game down... I kind of wonder what this would look like:

Vatrano-Strome-Terry
Mac-Z-Killorn
Cutter-Carlsson-Fabbri

 

[ScarTroy]

I agree completely with Mac/Killorn, but I think Cutter is one of, if not the fastest forward we have right now and might be hampered by those two.

Z is pretty quick but he is good enough to slow the game down... I kind of wonder what this would look like:

Vatrano-Strome-Terry
Mac-Z-Killorn
Cutter-Carlsson-Fabbri

If we’re going that route, I’d prefer send Fabbri to whoever will take him and create a somewhat sheltered kid line. Cutter- Carlsson- Colangelo or even try Pastujov if we think he’s earned that cup of coffee yet.

 

[robbieboy3686]

If we’re going that route, I’d prefer send Fabbri to whoever will take him and create a somewhat sheltered kid line. Cutter- Carlsson- Colangelo or even try Pastujov if we think he’s earned that cup of coffee yet.

We have that Russian kid coming in March, the one from the khl. Hopefully he fills lundys spot next season

 

[gilfaizon]

We have that Russian kid coming in March, the one from the khl. Hopefully he fills lundys spot next season

I'm very unsure if Galimov will be coming based on the interviews i've seen.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

I agree completely with Mac/Killorn, but I think Cutter is one of, if not the fastest forward we have right now and might be hampered by those two.

Z is pretty quick but he is good enough to slow the game down... I kind of wonder what this would look like:

Vatrano-Strome-Terry
Mac-Z-Killorn
Cutter-Carlsson-Fabbri

Cutter has improved when playing with Mac. If Mac and KIllorn play the same style/game, then it makes Cutter's role easier because he knows what Mac and Killorn will be doing on the ice. Plus, since Killorn flips the ice better than any Duck, then Killorn can pop the puck in the DZ to Mac and Mac already knows to launch it to Cutter for more breakaway options. I like that option so much better for Cutter!

I want Z with Carlsson b/c both share the same offensive problem... Cronin stifling the finesse out of them. Z knows how he can work around it a bit and Carlsson can relate as well as be able to play like Z. They just need a big bodied net crasher and good at defense. Maybe Colangelo?

 

[robbieboy3686]

I'm very unsure if Galimov will be coming based on the interviews i've seen.

Sighhhh

 

[TheDarkWingThatDucks]

Srsly when the f can we just be a little angry at the lack of development from the dude we drafted over fantilli instead of blaming killorn and the limemates he’s had? Isn’t he supposed to lift the players around him up?

In 2 years, then you can be angry………..


You can be concerned now, although I would laugh at you if it wasn’t just like…. Ducks suck analytically, Leo has no stats …. I’m a little worried until he turns it around which I fully expect.

His numbers are similar to Barkov and Hughes…… what do you expect from a “frail” 18 year old thrust into the league… he’s not Conor McDavid, sorry if you expected that….. sorry if you thought he was Connor Bedard…. Maybe have realistic expectations and you won’t be disappointed as much….. over a billion dollar corporation that doesn’t care about you.

 

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[Hockey Duckie]

In 2 years, then you can be angry………..


You can be concerned now, although I would laugh at you if it wasn’t just like…. Ducks suck analytically, Leo has no stats …. I’m a little worried until he turns it around which I fully expect.

His numbers are similar to Barkov and Hughes…… what do you expect from a “frail” 18 year old thrust into the league… he’s not Conor McDavid, sorry if you expected that….. sorry if you thought he was Connor Bedard…. Maybe have realistic expectations and you won’t be disappointed as much….. over a billion dollar corporation that doesn’t care about you.

The Barkov/Hughes Trope

Barkov
18 years old: 54 gp, 24 pts (0.44 ppg rate)
19 years old: 71 gp, 36 pts (0.51 ppg rate)

Jack Hughes
18 years old: 61 gp, 21 pts (0.34 ppg rate)
19 years old: 56 gp, 31 pts (0.55 ppg rate)

Both Barkov and Hughes improved their offense in their second season. Carlsson is going the opposite direction, . Carlsson improving his offense in year 2 in the NHL is "realistic expectation", especially when using your Barkov/Hughes trope.

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Realistic Expectations

I think many of us want year 2 of Carlsson to at least match 2023-24 Carlsson. His scoring rate and CF% has dropped despite his OZ start% increased a tick. Reproducing what he did a year ago is a realistic expectation.

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Ducks forward Youth Comparison: Big Picture

This season, offense isn't an emphasis for our youths. Everyone's taken a step back offensively, excluding Cutter and Z. When Colangelo was brought up to the NHL club the first time around, it was to make him a 4th line grinder for eight games. Z has matched his rate from last season, but under Eakins, Z had a scoring rate of 0.80 ppg or higher for two consecutive seasons.

Looking at a bigger scope, Carlsson isn't the only one being affected. That is a significant concern.

 

[ohcomeonref]

The Barkov/Hughes Trope

Barkov
18 years old: 54 gp, 24 pts (0.44 ppg rate)
19 years old: 71 gp, 36 pts (0.51 ppg rate)

Jack Hughes
18 years old: 61 gp, 21 pts (0.34 ppg rate)
19 years old: 56 gp, 31 pts (0.55 ppg rate)

Both Barkov and Hughes improved their offense in their second season. Carlsson is going the opposite direction, . Carlsson improving his offense in year 2 in the NHL is "realistic expectation", especially when using your Barkov/Hughes trope.

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Realistic Expectations

I think many of us want year 2 of Carlsson to at least match 2023-24 Carlsson. His scoring rate and CF% has dropped despite his OZ start% increased a tick. Reproducing what he did a year ago is a realistic expectation.

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Ducks forward Youth Comparison: Big Picture

This season, offense isn't an emphasis for our youths. Everyone's taken a step back offensively, excluding Cutter and Z. When Colangelo was brought up to the NHL club the first time around, it was to make him a 4th line grinder for eight games. Z has matched his rate from last season, but under Eakins, Z had a scoring rate of 0.80 ppg or higher for two consecutive seasons.

Looking at a bigger scope, Carlsson isn't the only one being affected. That is a significant concern.

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Cronin is like an artist!

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Cronin is like an artist!

A de"con"struction artist.

 

[TheDarkWingThatDucks]

The Barkov/Hughes Trope

Barkov
18 years old: 54 gp, 24 pts (0.44 ppg rate)
19 years old: 71 gp, 36 pts (0.51 ppg rate)

Jack Hughes
18 years old: 61 gp, 21 pts (0.34 ppg rate)
19 years old: 56 gp, 31 pts (0.55 ppg rate)

Both Barkov and Hughes improved their offense in their second season. Carlsson is going the opposite direction, . Carlsson improving his offense in year 2 in the NHL is "realistic expectation", especially when using your Barkov/Hughes trope.

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Realistic Expectations

I think many of us want year 2 of Carlsson to at least match 2023-24 Carlsson. His scoring rate and CF% has dropped despite his OZ start% increased a tick. Reproducing what he did a year ago is a realistic expectation.

View attachment 974716

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Ducks forward Youth Comparison: Big Picture

This season, offense isn't an emphasis for our youths. Everyone's taken a step back offensively, excluding Cutter and Z. When Colangelo was brought up to the NHL club the first time around, it was to make him a 4th line grinder for eight games. Z has matched his rate from last season, but under Eakins, Z had a scoring rate of 0.80 ppg or higher for two consecutive seasons.

Looking at a bigger scope, Carlsson isn't the only one being affected. That is a significant concern.

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Barkov scored 14 pts his final 16 games, and Hughes scored 15 is final 20 games.

So Barkov was at .41 his first 54 games, and Hughes was .46 his first 35 games.

They both closed out the season very strong, which you have yet to give Leo a chance to do.

And I said we can be concerned, shouldn’t be angry yet.