2024 25 Roster Thread 3 the Nations and after

[scumpup]

If the plan is to tank next season wouldn’t you want a guy like Shaw behind the bench?

Shaw might be better than AV and JT combined. Not spectacular but he is defensively minded and seems to actually want to develop players instead of bully them. Easy way to secure free regular season points is to play conservatively and tired teams will lose more often. Especially next year Michkov will score more points and there is a nonzero chance other players score 5-15 more points than this season. Also goaltending this year was so atrocious that there is a significant chance that it will be better. This roster could accidentally make the playoffs next year to get 4-0'd by a the caps/canes/panthers/leafs potentially. The Pens of course will get McKenna.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Sullivan, if he gets fired. Shaw and Lappy (ew) might be in the running. Carle and Quenville’s names have also been tossed out there. Who knows?

Sullivan was always assumed because of the Tortorella connection and that's fried.

His success in Pitt was due in large part because he was very familiar with the roster and knew how to use them to their strengths. I have doubts that bringing him basically totally cold into this situation is going to yield much but disappointment. I mean he's been adaptable and squeezed juice out of that Pens roster for far longer than anyone should have expected, but does he still have the drive in him to start fully fresh in a shitshow? He's not that old, but he's also basically got nothing left to do or prove. Coasting to the traditional retirement age should be a concern about mindset.

Sullivan, Trotz, and Cooper are the trio of coaches who I thought really took their rosters to a higher gear with usage and systems/planning decisions, but it's been almost a decade since that peak which occurred in very favorable circumstances for him.

 

[BiggE]

Sullivan was always assumed because of the Tortorella connection and that's fried.

His success in Pitt was due in large part because he was very familiar with the roster and knew how to use them to their strengths. I have doubts that bringing him basically totally cold into this situation is going to yield much but disappointment. I mean he's been adaptable and squeezed juice out of that Pens roster for far longer than anyone should have expected, but does he still have the drive in him to start fully fresh in a shitshow? He's not that old, but he's also basically got nothing left to do or prove. Coasting to the traditional retirement age should be a concern about mindset.

Sullivan, Trotz, and Cooper are the trio of coaches who I thought really took their rosters to a higher gear with usage and systems/planning decisions, but it's been almost a decade since that peak which occurred in very favorable circumstances for him.

Personally, I’d prefer a younger, modern coach who has had success at lower levels.

But with Jones & Briere in charge and Clarke and company looking over their shoulder, I’m expecting Lappy, Shaw or some other 55+ retread.

 

[SirloinUB]

Is Cam York available? He seems like he could be a good fit for Detroit where he could be a complimentary piece to/behind Seider and Edvinsson.

What would he cost to acquire? Would Philly match an offer sheet?

 

[Beef Invictus]

Personally, I’d prefer a younger, modern coach who has had success at lower levels.

But with Jones & Briere in charge and Clarke and company looking over their shoulder, I’m expecting Lappy, Shaw or some other 55+ retread.

The Murray/Eakins connection is currently the most terrifying trait this org posesses.

 

[ponder719]

The Murray/Eakins connection is currently the most terrifying trait this org posesses.

Not the continued existence of the Clarkeistocracy?

 

[outlet]

Is Cam York available? He seems like he could be a good fit for Detroit where he could be a complimentary piece to/behind Seider and Edvinsson.

What would he cost to acquire? Would Philly match an offer sheet?

Anyone outside of MM should be available. Flyers really have no top 4 D in the system ready to take on that role now or in the near future. With this management team who knows what they would want.

As far as an offer sheet there would be no incentive no to match unless it was such a silly offer.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Not the continued existence of the Clarkeistocracy?

Kinda all the same problem

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Hate magnet incoming: If we really intend to tank, we should give the job to Lappy or Rocky. Shaw might actually be a half decent head coach.

I would of figured they would of brought Lappy up after they fired Torts to work with Shaw. If the goal is to tank/rebuild they should have a short term guy like Shaw or Lappy. Not sure if a well known guy outside the organization would want to come here if they wanted to lose games.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Of all choices available, Eakins is the one that would boil my brain into premature sundowning the fastest.


I think the Flyers are too PR and image-obsessed not to realize that following a shithole coach with Q is blatantly terrible idea.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Of all choices available, Eakins is the one that would boil my brain into premature sundowning the fastest.


I think the Flyers are too PR and image-obsessed not to realize that following a shithole coach with Q is blatantly terrible idea.

Sharp told Danny and Jones that he (Sharp) had no knowledge of what happened. I’m sure he’ll say the same for Quenneville and they’ll eat it up.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Smart teams have a coach in the AHL they are training for the HC role one day.

What’s the point of Lappy if after being an assistant coach since 2013, or the HC of the Phantoms since 2021 he doesn’t get the job.

Whats he developed that’s more then the usual vanilla trash.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Briere needs to get this right provided it’s his call 90-100 percent because if he swings and misses his ass is out the door along with his coach. He needs to grow a set and tell Clarke and Co. to shut up or don’t listen to them at all

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Smart teams have a coach in the AHL they are training for the HC role one day.

What’s the point of Lappy if after being an assistant coach since 2013, or the HC of the Phantoms since 2021 he doesn’t get the job.

Whats he developed that’s more then the usual vanilla trash.

Do you like vanilla ice cream?

 

[FlyerNutter]

Do you like vanilla ice cream?

I actually really enjoy a nice vanilla yogurt.

I do not enjoy my hockey teams the same way.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Briere needs to get this right provided it’s his call 90-100 percent because if he swings and misses his ass is out the door along with his coach. He needs to grow a set and tell Clarke and Co. to shut up or don’t listen to them at all

I am afraid it'll be a dumber process where they do another committee decision, but Briere will be the fall guy.


Not that I think he's any bastion of competence, but if sacrificing him saves the Cronyarchy that's a disaster.

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

Sharp told Danny and Jones that he (Sharp) had no knowledge of what happened. I’m sure he’ll say the same for Quenneville and they’ll eat it up.

Wasn't it public knowledge that he did know? I thought there was a transcript of a meeting with him and some other higher-ups where they were discussing it.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Wasn't it public knowledge that he did know? I thought there was a transcript of a meeting with him and some other higher-ups where they were discussing it.

I think what you're recalling was from Nick Boynton:

“They asked me who knew and I gave them names, basically everybody on the team,” Boynton told TSN in an interview on Wednesday. “I said everybody f---ing knew about it. I said you can talk to the coaches. …I said talk to Torch [former assistant coach John Torchetti]. I called out Brian Campbell, and said talk to Patrick Sharp and talk to Kaner [Patrick Kane]. …The training staff knew. I’m sick of this wall of silence.”

Source: Boynton: Investigators probing alleged abuse of former Blackhawks players ask, ‘Who knew?’ - TSN.ca

The specific quote from the lawsuit about a meeting included Quenneville. I don't remember that any players were listed in that, but I'm going off of memory and could easily be wrong. As I recall, it was a management meeting -- people like Stan Bowman and Cheveldayoff.

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

I think what you're recalling was from Nick Boynton:



Source: Boynton: Investigators probing alleged abuse of former Blackhawks players ask, ‘Who knew?’ - TSN.ca

The specific quote from the lawsuit about a meeting included Quenneville. I don't remember that any players were listed in that, but I'm going off of memory and could easily be wrong. As I recall, it was a management meeting -- people like Stan Bowman and Cheveldayoff.

Yes that meeting was what I was talking about. Also, I was talking about Q in my post, not Sharp, in case that wasn't clear.

Also going off memory, but I think they wanted it kept low key to not be a distraction for the team. Because you know, who cares about victim's rights when it's playoff time. f*** Q and the rest of them

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Yes that meeting was what I was talking about. Also, I was talking about Q in my post, not Sharp, in case that wasn't clear.

Also going off memory, but I think they wanted it kept low key to not be a distraction for the team. Because you know, who cares about victim's rights when it's playoff time. f*** Q and the rest of them

It’s pretty f***ing disgusting. I want to think karma is going to catch up to the whole lot of them but I think that ship as sailed.

 

[freakydallas13]

Yes that meeting was what I was talking about. Also, I was talking about Q in my post, not Sharp, in case that wasn't clear.

Also going off memory, but I think they wanted it kept low key to not be a distraction for the team. Because you know, who cares about victim's rights when it's playoff time. f*** Q and the rest of them

Oh Q absolutely knew, there is no denying that.

 

[trostol]

I want Danny to grow a pair and go off the board...like Hexy did with Hak but you know...better in every way imaginable

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Wasn't it public knowledge that he did know? I thought there was a transcript of a meeting with him and some other higher-ups where they were discussing it.

As others have alluded to, yeah, I believe that convo did occur at some point where Q just ignored it because they were in the playoffs.

I was more just mocking the time I asked Briere and Jones what type of due diligence they did when hiring Patrick Sharp given the whole situation.

Jones said something along the lines of “I’ve known him for a long time and he’s a good person.” Briere followed up with a response of “funny you should mention that I asked him if he knew anything when I talked to him this morning and he said he didn’t.”

 

[Curufinwe]

Of all choices available, Eakins is the one that would boil my brain into premature sundowning the fastest.


I think the Flyers are too PR and image-obsessed not to realize that following a shithole coach with Q is blatantly terrible idea.

The NHL made him eligible so I think the Flyers won’t care how it affects their image. There’s not going to be any serious media/public blowback in 2025.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Cant believe they gave him Mandog’s number.