2024 25 Roster Thread 3 the Nations and after

[pit]

So someone has likely brought this up before and I'm not having an original thought, but this popped into my brain the other day.

The Flyers have traded back in the first round twice in recent memory: 2019 and 2024.

The first time they had Boldy fall to their slot at 11 and, rather than select him, they traded back to 14. They traded with Arizona and would likely have known who was being picked as they wouldn't want to trade back and lose their guy. After Arizona picked Soderstrom, Minnesota had the next pick and selected Boldy.

Fast forward to 2024 - Zeev Buium falls to the Flyers at 12. The Flyers opt to trade back to allow Minnesota to pick 12th, yet again handing over the BPA to Minnesota.

What team did Flahr used to work for? Or is maybe still covertly working for as a double agent??!


COINCIDENCE?!?!?!?

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I think Lycksell has played pretty well recently probably getting his first real chance of decent usage.

Not that I think he’s amazing or anything but there could be a cheap youngish bottom six guy there & not the previously thought AAAA guy.

 

[Curufinwe]

Briere has to force him into the lineup by leaving Torts no other option because Lycksell isn’t his kind of player.

 

[BigToe]

The last couple bits on Tippett here have been said so many times lol

 

[Curufinwe]

That delta between expected and actual goals is gigantic.

 

[BiggE]

That delta between expected and actual goals is gigantic.

It’s almost as big a gap as the one between what you need to do to ice a contender in today’s NHL and what Jones, Torts & Briere think you need to do to ice a contender in today’s NHL.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

It’s almost as big a gap as the one between what you need to do to ice a contender in today’s NHL and what Jones, Torts & Briere think you need to do to ice a contender in today’s NHL.

#facts

 

[VladDrag]

The last couple bits on Tippett here have been said so many times lol

I've never brought this up here, but this is something I've long thought about. The Flyers block a lot of shots, I haven't checked in a while, but at one point this season, they had blocked more shots than any other team in the last 10 years. Many of those shots are from high danger areas, but they don't get counted because blocked shots are not actually recorded as a shot-type. The event that is recorded is the person blocking the shot, not the shot being blocked. So the geolocation that's given to that event is where the block is occurred, not where the shot originated from.

Long and short -- I'm wondering if the Clear Sight Analytics model accounts for this in some fashion, maybe it has its own dataset, and doesn't rely on the publicly available RTSS. I'm curious about how they describe the environment.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

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I've never brought this up here, but this is something I've long thought about. The Flyers block a lot of shots, I haven't checked in a while, but at one point this season, they had blocked more shots than any other team in the last 10 years. Many of those shots are from high danger areas, but they don't get counted because blocked shots are not actually recorded as a shot-type. The event that is recorded is the person blocking the shot, not the shot being blocked. So the geolocation that's given to that event is where the block is occurred, not where the shot originated from.

Long and short -- I'm wondering if the Clear Sight Analytics model accounts for this in some fashion, maybe it has its own dataset, and doesn't rely on the publicly available RTSS. I'm curious about how they describe the environment.

The last time I talked to someone from CSA was before the pandemic, so this could easily be out of date. But at least at that time, they used an automated system that was hand verified to fix things like location. Some superfluous Shots were also filtered out, but I don’t know if that was fully manual or only partial.

I was never told one way or another on Blocked Shots and inferring from website terminology feels like a fool’s errand.

 

[dragonoffrost]

I know I used to get dirty looks when I was at a game and would point out the the goalie had no chance on some shots due to the location and such. It was like any shot against should be saved in some cases.

 

[Audible Velvet]

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I've never brought this up here, but this is something I've long thought about. The Flyers block a lot of shots, I haven't checked in a while, but at one point this season, they had blocked more shots than any other team in the last 10 years. Many of those shots are from high danger areas, but they don't get counted because blocked shots are not actually recorded as a shot-type. The event that is recorded is the person blocking the shot, not the shot being blocked. So the geolocation that's given to that event is where the block is occurred, not where the shot originated from.

Long and short -- I'm wondering if the Clear Sight Analytics model accounts for this in some fashion, maybe it has its own dataset, and doesn't rely on the publicly available RTSS. I'm curious about how they describe the environment.

The shot blocking thing is something I think about in occasion. Is there a short sighted element there? Is it a crutch? Do teams or individuals plan on ways to take advantage of gimpy defenders? How much does it influence coverage moment to moment as players scramble and leave their edges to hit the deck?