2024-25 Roster Thread #3: the Nations and after.
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ellja3
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I have been away from here or anything hockey due to, well... It's not been nice mentally.
TLDR on PHI plans this deadline? Any rumblings?
TLDR on PHI plans this deadline? Any rumblings?
Beef Invictus
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You'll be surprised, perhaps shocked, to learn they're backing off on trading Laughton or Risto
ellja3
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ponder719
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Almost as good of a chance as the Flyers deciding to move on from Risto and Laughton by Friday.
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Knowing how the Flyers media works, with these stories about aw shuck Laughton just really loves it here, they've already quit on the idea of trading him. It's the usual attempt at a soft crash landing against a mountain at full speed.
If he is not moved (Risto as well), does it sour teams on not wanting to deal with the Flyers to an extent going forward? As they will see this team isn’t very serious. Their asks on players are way off balance.
ellja3
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Absolutely. They wanted to trade him but couldn't pull a reasonably-looking trade out of their butts even if they had a diarrhea. I hate this timeline.
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I doubt it. We are easy to fleece when you can get us to buy from you. Teams love that.
In fact, I suspect that's part of why they can't get value. The entire league expects to use us as an ATM and just hangs up for fair value. Extortion or nothing, because these guys aren't to be taken seriously and at this point no GM's pride will let them be the guys to possibly lose a trade to us.
With this management group they have not been fleeced. Cutter trade still needs to play out. Though on the surface should have got a better deal. Other than that don't see any fleecing.
Flyerfan4life
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has any Org. ever done less in 3 years of a rebuild to their roster..
renberg
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The Flyers die during the least legs of the season under Tortorella. The toll of playing his way catches up un their legs. Blocking pucks sounds cool but so many guy doing it so frequently cause the type of injuries that takes players off of their games. Now maybe the Four Nations tourney gave the players a bit of a respite but it did so for the other clubs as well. Wouldn't bet on a resurgence by them in the last quarter of the season; especially when they play the better clubs after a soft spot here.
Flyerfan4life
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They took hard and clear losses on Gauthier, Farabee, and Frost. And ripped themselves off with Seeler and Hathaway, and will soon do the same with Cates.
Which checks out because this management group is the same as the last one minus one dude
ponder719
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Not yet we're not. That starts Saturday. I fully expect back to back wins tonight and Thursday.
How so? Nothing at this time indicates this to be true. It surely isn't how they have perfumed in Calgary so far.
Hathaway is paid accordingly. Seeler too much term and salary in line maybe slightly over. I would not have made those deals as both needed to be moved out.
i go with them being losses simply due to poor asset management..they traded Frost and Bee for guys that were already or destined for the waiver wire
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Farabee is still coming off that neck surgery which is a known long-term recovery. Both have to re-build their skillsets because the Flyers decay hockey ability as part of their development. They're both going to be fine. They're both young and have proven they can do it.
Kuz and Pelletier, on the other hand, are now in the talent grinder and will only go downhill from here, unless they ignore coaches. Which only gets tolerated if you're a TK level talent.
We are a year or two away from looking back at this trade as a big loss.
From a statistical view the players the Flyers received back have been more productive. What a fleecing. Farabee occupying the 4th line.
Farabee had a hot start last season off the same neck surgery. Didn't see anyone mention the neck then. Then has faded big time over a seasons worth of games. Now the neck is an excuse for his failed production.
Get back to me in that year or after the trade then let’s see if it is a fleecing is. Right now, today it is not.
Flyerfan4life
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You can definitely make the argument both should have been long before they were. Especially Frost. They knew he had no future here.
Though the flip side is they clearly didn't have as much value as Flyers fans wanted to believe or thougth they had
freakydallas13
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I am not putting my faith in the team that "developed" Frost and Farabee from 40/50 point players into coa dumps.
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You don't just evaluate trades with the benefit of hindsight. The Calgary trade is a solid example because they clearly got what they could. It's how they ended up there that's the problem.
A simple toggle for me as to whether a person understands the topic is opinion on the Edmonton trade. If you think where that pick ends up matters or that it was fine, I don't believe you understand any of the underpinnings of how to think about sports orgs. Or you just want to attack things from the angle of a fan. That's of course fine. But it's not meaningfully rigorous and never will be.
A simple toggle for me as to whether a person understands the topic is opinion on the Edmonton trade. If you think where that pick ends up matters or that it was fine, I don't believe you understand any of the underpinnings of how to think about sports orgs. Or you just want to attack things from the angle of a fan. That's of course fine. But it's not meaningfully rigorous and never will be.
