2024-25 Roster Thread #2: Midseasonnar

[Beef Invictus]

The Flyer’s FO arguing with Hockey Canada over prospect usage is laughable.



I also heard that Briere said they aren’t shopping Risto but have received calls about him. Were the calls that he received from other teams saying not to even think of calling them to see if they’re interested in trading for Risto?

Imagine being an NHL GM and getting offers for your heavily overpaid 3rd pair dman and turning them down

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Imagine being an NHL GM and getting offers for your heavily overpaid 3rd pair dman and turning them down

#culture babee...

 

[Magua]

Would be the 2nd time in their history (last time was 89-94), yet apparently this is OKAY!

Crazy how the most talented player in franchise history (and 1st overall generational talent) changed the course, right? Lesson to be learned? No.

@BigToe How reasonable/crazy would you call that best skater in the tournament statement? I know it's a nebulous term. Just looking for a rough idea. I know Catton played for example, so it got me curious.

*dusts off Greatest Hits album*

No one knows what the f*** they mean with “best skater.” It’s not doing laps in a race. Apparently, Briere’s Flyers-addled brain thinks it is. Luchanko might be a fast skater without the puck — and one of the fastest at the WJC — but he has mediocre transition ability because of his other skills. His skating doesn’t seem to manifest much in the cycle. Poehling is one of the fastest players in the NHL. Tell me with a straight face he’s an elite skater.

The best skater in the tournament? In a functional hockey way? Not even close. I think guys like Moore, Connelly, Molendyk, Leonard are just as fast with a lot more to offer. Hutson is hilariously better than Luchanko as a creative mover. Hagens, the underage guys, Yager (who I don’t even like), I could go on and on.

Another day, another example of the Flyers drastically overrating their own players.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Probably tough to sell these guys are these high upside players under these circumstances.

Strong "Hockey Parent" vibes going on here. Time to realize your kids aren't the stars you think they are.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Shocking an organization that has the most overrated ownership group, overrated its own leadership, scouting, and coaching ranks…

Overrates its own players.

These idiots think they are nearly at the lagoon after wandering the Sahara.

 

[Curufinwe]

Weird how USA didn’t misuse Buium

 

[DancingPanther]

Probably tough to sell these guys are these high upside players under these circumstances.

Bro, your son isn't that good

 

[prototypical4thliner]

Crazy how the most talented player in franchise history (and 1st overall generational talent) changed the course, right? Lesson to be learned? No.



*dusts off Greatest Hits album*

No one knows what the f*** they mean with “best skater.” It’s not doing laps in a race. Apparently, Briere’s Flyers-addled brain thinks it is. Luchanko might be a fast skater without the puck — and one of the fastest at the WJC — but he has mediocre transition ability because of his other skills. His skating doesn’t seem to manifest much in the cycle. Poehling is one of the fastest players in the NHL. Tell me with a straight face he’s an elite skater.

The best skater in the tournament? In a functional hockey way? Not even close. I think guys like Moore, Connelly, Molendyk, Leonard are just as fast with a lot more to offer. Hutson is hilariously better than Luchanko as a creative mover. Hagens, the underage guys, Yager (who I don’t even like), I could go on and on.

Another day, another example of the Flyers drastically overrating their own players.

So, Eric Wellwood.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Weird how USA didn’t misuse Buium

Last year they definitely just had too much talent & in depth, he still played a key part even then though. This year they definitely correctly picked their top guys & rode them to a gold which again he was apart of. Which was more so the reason they won as they weren’t as deep as last year’s team.

They put the tournament on his, Hagens, Perrault, Leonard, & Hutson’s shoulders this go around & they delivered.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

 

[Magua]

Tortorella only talks about Michkov’s play away from the puck because a bantam coach knows more about coaching offense. He has nothing to offer. And I’m not even mad at him. It would be like expecting Sid Vicious to teach music theory instead of punk fashion.

 

[DancingPanther]

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"In the KHL, there's lots of looping and swinging, and speed. I already know a couple of things that we're going to have to work on with Michkov to get him ready to play the North American style of game" - Armstrong

Crazy how the most talented player in franchise history (and 1st overall generational talent) changed the course, right? Lesson to be learned? No.



*dusts off Greatest Hits album*

No one knows what the f*** they mean with “best skater.” It’s not doing laps in a race. Apparently, Briere’s Flyers-addled brain thinks it is. Luchanko might be a fast skater without the puck — and one of the fastest at the WJC — but he has mediocre transition ability because of his other skills. His skating doesn’t seem to manifest much in the cycle. Poehling is one of the fastest players in the NHL. Tell me with a straight face he’s an elite skater.

The best skater in the tournament? In a functional hockey way? Not even close. I think guys like Moore, Connelly, Molendyk, Leonard are just as fast with a lot more to offer. Hutson is hilariously better than Luchanko as a creative mover. Hagens, the underage guys, Yager (who I don’t even like), I could go on and on.

Another day, another example of the Flyers drastically overrating their own players.

He's an elite skater

 

[ponder719]

Tortorella only talks about Michkov’s play away from the puck because a bantam coach knows more about coaching offense. He has nothing to offer. And I’m not even mad at him. It would be like expecting Sid Vicious to teach music theory instead of punk fashion.

Yeah, all other things being equal, I would prefer Torts not try to change anything about Michkov's offensive game, there's no joy to be found there.

 

[deadhead]

He's also said he doesn't want to take away from Michkov's offensive game.
And he's not expecting Michkov to be a Selke candidate, just wants to polish some of the rough edges off the puck.

As Michkov gets stronger (still gets knocked off the puck too much), a little quicker and has more experience in the NHL game, he should raise his game a notch or two the next couple seasons.

How do you teach offense to someone like Michkov anyway?
At that level it's instinct, as soon as the defense reacts, he's going to go off script.
Torts has resigned himself to "no, no, . . . Yes!"

 

[Shrike]

If you really look at John Tortorella’s coaching record you see how much one lucky playoff run can do for your career. 22 years as head coach, missed playoffs 9 times. Lost in first round 7 times. 16 of 22 years of not winning a postseason series. Made it to the conference finals 2 times in 22 years. Playoff record of 56 - 64.

Sounds like interviewing for an NHL heading coaching position is his best skill. As far as teaching offense to a gifted prospect, I don’t think there is enough evidence to put that one on the list.

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

Flyers are undefeated in Abols era!

 

[flyersnorth]

The Flyer’s FO arguing with Hockey Canada over prospect usage is laughable.



I also heard that Briere said they aren’t shopping Risto but have received calls about him. Were the calls that he received from other teams saying not to even think of calling them to see if they’re interested in trading for Risto?

Hockey Canada had *multiple* hush funds to help their rapists and abusers escape any kind of publicity or criminal consequences.

Then again, Briere's offspring callously threw a disabled person's wheelchair down the stairs.

So, I dunno. Judgment is not the strong suit of either side.

 

[deadhead]

If you really look at John Tortorella’s coaching record you see how much one lucky playoff run can do for your career. 22 years as head coach, missed playoffs 9 times. Lost in first round 7 times. 16 of 22 years of not winning a postseason series. Made it to the conference finals 2 times in 22 years. Playoff record of 56 - 64.

Sounds like interviewing for an NHL heading coaching position is his best skill. As far as teaching offense to a gifted prospect, I don’t think there is enough evidence to put that one on the list.

He turned around 3 teams, TB, CBJ and now the Flyers.
That seems to be where he's best suited and that will certainly hurt your aggregate record.

 

[ybnvs]

He turned around 3 teams, TB, CBJ and now the Flyers.

More credit goes to the skaters, not the coach.

In years past, you always blamed skaters and absolved coaching and would argue coaching matters less.

For example, you've talked about how Torts has developed TK more into what he is today. However to the contrary, TK has publicly voiced everything he knows and does is because of Giroux, and he didn't drop a hint of acknowledgement towards Tortorella.

 

[VladDrag]

He's also said he doesn't want to take away from Michkov's offensive game.
And he's not expecting Michkov to be a Selke candidate, just wants to polish some of the rough edges off the puck.

I feel like every time we talk about development, this graphic needs to be shared.

This is how you develop a player -- by letting him play in certain situations and hoping his 'signature skills' that shined at lower levels begin to appear at the next level. I'll give them some credit with Michkov, they've allowed him to play for the most part. I'm not sure what's being discussed behind closed doors with him, and I couldn't read that article. But on the surface, they do talk a lot about the 'play off the puck'. That's just not a signature skill with Michkov.

 

[Curufinwe]

Flyers are undefeated in Abols era!

Thoughts on Boosh's "How do you like them Abols!" line?

 

[Beef Invictus]

He's also said he doesn't want to take away from Michkov's offensive game.
And he's not expecting Michkov to be a Selke candidate, just wants to polish some of the rough edges off the puck.

As Michkov gets stronger (still gets knocked off the puck too much), a little quicker and has more experience in the NHL game, he should raise his game a notch or two the next couple seasons.

How do you teach offense to someone like Michkov anyway?
At that level it's instinct, as soon as the defense reacts, he's going to go off script.
Torts has resigned himself to "no, no, . . . Yes!"

He says things all the time. Like how he said safe is death, but he's one of the safest coaches the league has ever known. Or that he didn't know Sanheim has family coming. He is quite a liar.

The reality is that he is indeed taking away from MM's offensive game. It's insane how much he's been reeled in compared to early season.

 

[ponder719]

He turned around 3 teams, TB, CBJ and now the Flyers.

That's a... charitable term. He raised the floor for those teams from bad to mediocre. In Tampa, specifically, he had a combination of enough talent and suitable league rules to parlay that into true success. In CBJ and Philly (and NY, I'm surprised you left them out because that's where he actually had his best regular season results) he was able to stabilize his teams, taking them safely out of the running for actual game-breaking talent and ensuring the team had just enough success that ownership could sell a couple rounds of playoff tickets here and there. Well, not Philly, yet, but he did come close that one time.

He's not a bad coach, but he's a horrible choice to be your coach if you want to build a championship team, because you need top talent to do that, and he'll never let you be bad enough to get it.

 

[deadhead]

The biggest thing "reeling in" Michkov is the rest of the league having film on him, he draws a lot more attention. He's still out there trying to make plays, but teams do a better job checking him and taking away passing lanes.

That's a... charitable term. He raised the floor for those teams from bad to mediocre. In Tampa, specifically, he had a combination of enough talent and suitable league rules to parlay that into true success. In CBJ and Philly (and NY, I'm surprised you left them out because that's where he actually had his best regular season results) he was able to stabilize his teams, taking them safely out of the running for actual game-breaking talent and ensuring the team had just enough success that ownership could sell a couple rounds of playoff tickets here and there. Well, not Philly, yet, but he did come close that one time.

He's not a bad coach, but he's a horrible choice to be your coach if you want to build a championship team, because you need top talent to do that, and he'll never let you be bad enough to get it.

So your objection is he does too good a job of coaching up players?