2024-25 Roster Thread #2: Midseasonnar

[JojoTheWhale]

Sanheim turned out OK.

Incredible choice of players because my thought was that Makar probably wouldn’t have gotten LHV PP1 time either.

 

[trostol]

Sanheim turned out OK.
I thought culture didn't matter, just talent.

his talent would be squashed here

 

[FLYguy3911]

Wait. Did I see Adam Ginning - AHLer? That can't be.

You can do this in any draft for any team, especially after the first few picks. It is an exercise on futility to do a post-mortem after any draft years down the road.

It really is the biggest waste of time and if your definition of a good pick is that they got the absolute best player at every spot in the draft. With the exception of 2006, you are going to be a very disappointed fan. Even if we consider that the "source" is an attention seeker on Twitter, Sanheim is one of the best picks this team has made in DECADES. And I imagine Pastrnak looks like a much different player in Orange and Black.

If you're shouting on Draft Day that they should have taken Player X over Player Y and Player X turns out to be a stud, by all means feel free to bring it up *cough*Robertson*cough* but anything other than that is oversimplifying the unpredictable nature of drafting 17-18 year old KIDS.

And bringing up picks outside of the first round? The GM is almost never making those picks on his own. Those are the scouts picks. Those guys are still here!

edit: and the elephant in the room is development. No matter how good a prospect is, they still have to go through the mess that is this organization. Michkov isn't even immune to it.

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

I am curious what the reactions here would have been if the Flyers had selected Makar or Miro over unanimous consensus #2 OA Patrick.

I still maintain that Makar would not have become Makar if we drafted him. He would have either started in Allentown or on the third pair with Hagg or something. Not that I believe the scouts were actually banging down the door for him. How much turnover have we seen in the scouting department since 2017? Just last year Danny basically said we didn't need Buium because we already had Drysdale and Andrae. We seriously believe they wanted a small dman out of a lower league committed to a "lesser" school with the second overall pick? And why wouldn't the same argument apply to Makar in 2017 with Ghost already on the team?

"The scouts wanted Heiskanen!" is nothing other than hearsay, but would certainly make more sense than Makar

 

[Beef Invictus]

i see some still believe Makar would be the same if he had been drafted here

I wonder if they ever would have given him PP time?

 

[ValeriKamensky]

It was Clarke, Holmgren, Hextall and Fletcher. All played a part in screwing things up.
Throw in Scott (with Barber advising him).
I have no problem, allocate the blame any way you wish.

I dump the lion's share on Holmgren b/c he blew two prime chances to rebuild, once after the Carter/Richards trade and again after he fired Hextall and it was obvious they weren't build to contend.

But I don't buy that the current group is a continuation.
It's obvious that most of you haven't listened to single presser by Torts.
It's also obvious that if the former group still ran things, they would have traded for a veteran center and goaltender before the season.

Instead, this group is adamant about rebuilding, about sticking with the kids, about accumulating assets - the complaint is they're not tanking, but that train left the station in the summer of 2019.

I don't get bent out of shape by Buium or Gauthier, b/c watching them I don't see Makar or Rantanen. So meh. I'm not going to get excited about Perreault until I see him in the pros against NHL players - Rizzo and Brink had great numbers and won championships in Denver, but the NHL is a different animal for smaller slower players.

I don't think the Flyers have a shot at a slam dunk talent, but there are maybe 1 or 2 a draft - but there are a half dozen players each draft who turn out almost as good. The key is to hit on one of these guys every couple years. And fill out your roster with solid players to complement them. I'd be happy with another TK or Briere.

Great strategy to build another Buffalo and Arizona.

 

[Kelmitchell2]

Flyers media calling out the Flyers? What a world!

A complete oxymoron here, however it's sad to say he has the most sense out of all of philly media, kurz, baskow, and now Chris Maher are the most insufferable

 

[ValeriKamensky]

I am curious what the reactions here would have been if the Flyers had selected Makar or Miro over unanimous consensus #2 OA Patrick.

This.
I remember the day before the draft, when I assumed “What if we take Heiskanen over Patrick” (tbh Makar was out of my top-5 - yikes).
And one guy here promised to jump out of the window if that happened

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Holy hindsight Batman

How else do you suggest judging a GM’s draft performance than by seeing how his picks turn out years later?

Certainly you can’t make a final judgment on it the night of the draft.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

i see some still believe Makar would be the same if he had been drafted here

Why wouldn’t he be?

Was Giroux ruined by being drafted by Philly?

Couturier?

Konecny?

I think the worst argument of all for defending the passing of a much better player is, “Well, he wouldn’t be good if he were drafted here, anyway.”

OK, Aesop with your sour grapes excuse.

The reporters who cited sources in Cutter's camp.

Such as? Link please.

 

[ValeriKamensky]

Why wouldn’t he be?

it’s really hard to argue with the fact that Makar is a great D, arguably the best D of his generation. But tbh his metrics w/ and without BigMack are big difference. Obviously every player would get better stats playing with MackKinnon-caliber player, but in terms of scale of Makar personality the difference is too much.
in last many many years we didn’t have player like MackKinnon so fears about Makar’s development in the Flyers organization are real

 

[DancingPanther]

It really is the biggest waste of time and if your definition of a good pick is that they got the absolute best player at every spot in the draft. With the exception of 2006, you are going to be a very disappointed fan.

Exactly. I say this all the time. If an org has a cohesive, winning idea, and their decisions predicate on that paradigm...that's all I ask for. Things that make sense. If you swing and miss on a smaller, toolsy player who just doesn't pan out? So be it. Everything can't hit. This isn't limited to just drafting, either. FA signings, trades, development... anything. Look at the Phillies and pitching. Do you have a plus out pitch? High rpm fastball? Plus velo? Thanks we'll take a flyer. You can have Jeff Hoffman or Kerkering or Jose Ruiz or Gregory Soto or Yunior Marte. But you give yourself, at the very least, a chance

Just make sense under the winning model of the league. The Flyers NEVER do that. They draft poorly with emphasis on non-winning qualities, they concentrate on "fixing" players' weaknesses instead of building their strengths, they don't sell high, they hand out myopic contracts....it's all losing. And not only is it all losing, but it's not cohesive. These guys SUUUUUPER suck at building a roster

 

[DancingPanther]

They broke their promise to sign him and burn an ELC year. This is basic information. I have no idea how you can discuss this situation at length without this basic grasp of facts.

And for what?! That's the thing that gets me the most. They're so stupid that they didn't even realize they should be hoarding every promising young talent possible by any means necessary. The more darts you throw, the points you score. Instead....well this happened. Out of sheer lunacy and arrogance