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2024-25 Roster Thread #2: Midseasonnar

What strikes me about Laughton, is that so many on this board have for a year taken as gospel that the Flyers turned down a 1st rd pick and more for Scott Laughton.

Yet the latest Friedman report from the other day says the Flyers are asking for a 1st for Laughton, and a league source said teams feel the asking price of a 1st for Laughton is too rich, and that the Flyers are purposely outpricing him because they aren't eager to move him.

Well, that doesn't jive with the supposed fact that the Flyers turned down a 1st-plus for Laughton around last year's deadline, which I was always skeptical of. IF that was true, it must have involved taking on a bad contract as part of the deal.

If teams don't think Laughton is worth a 1st, and aren't willing to pay that price, as per Friedman's report, then a lot of posters need to reconsider what they state as fact that the Flyers rejected.
 
trostol said:
Teams may not think he is worth a 1st+..the Flyers do..which is overvalued on their part
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Teams apparently don't think he's worth 1st by itself. Which, according to the report, is where the Flyers have set his price.

For a year on here I have read as gospel that the Flyers TURNED DOWN a 1st-plus more for Laughton.

That's sure not what Friedman's most recent report implies. So time to put that supposed fact to bed.

If teams don't think he's worth a 1st by itself, surely no team offered a 1st and more and the Flyers turned it down (unless, maybe, the crux was taking on an awful contract).
 
Ghosts Beer said:
Teams apparently don't think he's worth 1st by itself. Which, according to the report, is where the Flyers have set his price.

For a year on here I have read as gospel that the Flyers TURNED DOWN a 1st-plus more for Laughton.

That's sure not what Friedman's most recent report implies. So time to put that supposed fact to bed.

If teams don't think he's worth a 1st by itself, surely no team offered a 1st and more and the Flyers turned it down (unless, maybe, the crux was taking on an awful contract).
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Is January of 2025 the same as September of 2023?
 
Ghosts Beer said:
Teams apparently don't think he's worth 1st by itself. Which, according to the report, is where the Flyers have set his price.

For a year on here I have read as gospel that the Flyers TURNED DOWN a 1st-plus more for Laughton.

That's sure not what Friedman's most recent report implies. So time to put that supposed fact to bed.

If teams don't think he's worth a 1st by itself, surely no team offered a 1st and more and the Flyers turned it down (unless, maybe, the crux was taking on an awful contract).
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That's an odd conclusion to come to...a year changes things
 
trostol said:
That's an odd conclusion to come to...a year changes things
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Yeah, OK, sure. Teams were willing to pay 1st and more for Laughton a year ago, but now, in the middle of a career year, they aren't even willing to pay a 1st.

As Twain said, "It's easier to fool people than to convince them they've been fooled."
 
The Flyers with largely the same roster have gone from the 5th worst shooting percentage to way above that.


Why are we still playing this game. If they had a regular shooting percentage per their usual performance, they'd be ass at 5v5.

I mean, they're still utter ass outside of defense. They're just getting lucky for now. As annually happens, and it always leads to these grand proclamations that deflate.
deadhead said:
They're not that far away. If they were that far away, they'd be horrible 5x5.
If they had average goaltending, they'd be a 90+ team.
They still need a lot of work, more depth, better STs and of course, find two reliable goaltenders.
But they're not starting from ground zero.

This season and next season are about identifying "keepers," developing players and gradually adding talent. Winning and losing are afterthoughts, being competitive is how you gauge progress.
To me, being competitive means matching up against good teams 5x5.
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deadhead said:
They're not that far away. If they were that far away, they'd be horrible 5x5.
If they had average goaltending, they'd be a 90+ team.
They still need a lot of work, more depth, better STs and of course, find two reliable goaltenders.
But they're not starting from ground zero.

This season and next season are about identifying "keepers," developing players and gradually adding talent. Winning and losing are afterthoughts, being competitive is how you gauge progress.
To me, being competitive means matching up against good teams 5x5.
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NOT FAR AWAY HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Peace in the Middle East is closer than the Flyers are to contention
 
Beef Invictus said:
The Flyers with largely the same roster have gone from the 5th worst shooting percentage to way above that.


Why are we still playing this game. If they had a regular shooting percentage per their usual performance, they'd be ass at 5v5.

I mean, they're still utter ass outside of defense. They're just getting lucky for now. As annually happens, and it always leads to these grand proclamations that deflate.
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Flyers now tied for 1st in GF/60 (5x5) since 11/25.
Sh% is 10.8% over that period. That's 7th in the NHL.
The median is 9.42%
Flyers are 6th in HDCF/60 over that stretch.
7th in HDCF Sh%.

So no, while they're shooting above league average, it's mostly a product of creating high danger scoring chances. There might be a slight regression to the mean, but their jump in scoring is a matter of creating good scoring chances, not puck luck.
 
Ghosts Beer said:
What strikes me about Laughton, is that so many on this board have for a year taken as gospel that the Flyers turned down a 1st rd pick and more for Scott Laughton.

Yet the latest Friedman report from the other day says the Flyers are asking for a 1st for Laughton, and a league source said teams feel the asking price of a 1st for Laughton is too rich, and that the Flyers are purposely outpricing him because they aren't eager to move him.

Well, that doesn't jive with the supposed fact that the Flyers turned down a 1st-plus for Laughton around last year's deadline, which I was always skeptical of. IF that was true, it must have involved taking on a bad contract as part of the deal.

If teams don't think Laughton is worth a 1st, and aren't willing to pay that price, as per Friedman's report, then a lot of posters need to reconsider what they state as fact that the Flyers rejected.
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Are you trying to assume Laughton's value right now, as he's had a bad season, is the same as his value in prior years?

Why would you do that?
 
Beef Invictus said:
Are you trying to assume Laughton's value right now, as he's had a bad season, is the same as his value in prior years?

Why would you do that?
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Scott Laughton is on pace to have more goals and more points than he had last season.

An over 40 point season. He had 39 last year.

Yeah, I find it ridiculously hard to believe that the Flyers turned down an offer of a 1st + more for Laughton at the deadline, and a few months later, with increased production, teams are saying an asking price of simply a 1st round pick is too rich, and they think the Flyers are overpricing his trade value because they don't really want to move him.

As Twain said, it's easier to fool people than to convince them they've been fooled.
 
Ghosts Beer said:
Scott Laughton is on pace to have more goals and more points than he had last season.

An over 40 point season. He had 39 last year.

Yeah, I find it ridiculously hard to believe that the Flyers turned down an offer of a 1st + more for Laughton at the deadline, and a few months later, with increased production, teams are saying an asking price of simply a 1st round pick is too rich, and they think the Flyers are overpricing his trade value because they don't really want to move him.

As Twain said, it's easier to fool people than to convince them they've been fooled.
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Those are the only things that determine quality of season? You really think that?

You find it hard to believe that an incompetent organization did an incompetent thing? They even justified it, saying they believed he deserved to stay.


The proposals for Laughton have been well reported. You simply refuse to believe the facts because it gets in the way of your onslaught of loyalty a management group that has delivered nothing but failure to you.
 
They haven't been "well reported," that would require numerous sources with details of proposed transactions.
There was one report that was very general and didn't go into details.
But the devil is always in the details.
 
What HAS been well-reported is that the Flyers' scouts wanted to take Heiskanen or Makar, not Nolan Patrick, and Hextall overruled them to take Patrick,

But, of course, in that scenario Beef says it's all a conspiracy and a lie promulgated by the evil Bob Clarke.
 
Ghosts Beer said:
What HAS been well-reported is that the Flyers' scouts wanted to take Heiskanen or Makar, not Nolan Patrick, and Hextall overruled them to take Patrick,

But, of course, in that scenario Beef says it's all a conspiracy and a lie promulgated by the evil Bob Clarke.
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It's so well reported you don't even know which player it is they wanted. Hieskanen? Makar? Who knows.

Well reported though.
 
Even with the win last night, Flyers are still at a no win/zero sum game with Cutter to an extent

-Jamie looks like a 2nd pair dman at best, although better of late
-I haven’t watched em all, but I’ve seen a fair bit of the Ducks this year… if Cutter never hits his ceiling, there’s a good chance it’s because his game just doesn’t translate. So maybe development will be the biggest part, but I could argue the Flyers just MISSED on their evaluation
-Obviously the counterpoint is that if Cutter scored 35+ goals for the next decade it’s also a bad look

I think we all know what Jamie is… a project still.

*One quick point - it was actually sad to see Cutter last night. No emotion, no compete, he looked like a kid overwhelmed. As a USA hockey guy, I felt bad.

He was given bad advice. A 20 year old kid shouldn’t be dealing with the stress/fallout of the ramifications of holding out, having this cloud over him.

Also if I were him, I’d much rather be playing with the Flyers right now. Cronin has to go.
 
Ghosts Beer said:
What HAS been well-reported is that the Flyers' scouts wanted to take Heiskanen or Makar, not Nolan Patrick, and Hextall overruled them to take Patrick,

But, of course, in that scenario Beef says it's all a conspiracy and a lie promulgated by the evil Bob Clarke.
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Can you tell me the timelines of when it was reported that they wanted Heiskanen and when it was reported that they wanted Makar?
 
usahockey22flyers said:
Even with the win last night, Flyers are still at a no win/zero sum game with Cutter to an extent

-Jamie looks like a 2nd pair dman at best, although better of late
-I haven’t watched em all, but I’ve seen a fair bit of the Ducks this year… if Cutter never hits his ceiling, there’s a good chance it’s because his game just doesn’t translate. So maybe development will be the biggest part, but I could argue the Flyers just MISSED on their evaluation
-Obviously the counterpoint is that if Cutter scored 35+ goals for the next decade it’s also a bad look

I think we all know what Jamie is… a project still.

*One quick point - it was actually sad to see Cutter last night. No emotion, no compete, he looked like a kid overwhelmed. As a USA hockey guy, I felt bad.

He was given bad advice. A 20 year old kid shouldn’t be dealing with the stress/fallout of the ramifications of holding out, having this cloud over him.

Also if I were him, I’d much rather be playing with the Flyers right now. Cronin has to go.
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He has to deal with Philadelphia once a year while he gets to live in Orange County (in theory). He’ll survive.

Anyone that goes out of their way to give him shit outside of him being in Philly is a scumbag.
 
Lets just go to Mary Poppins land and sign a goalie helps the medicine goes down.
Let say they signed Hill and Ersson returned to rookie form in a 50-32 split. (This is 100% wrong decision but this is for all the the flyers are only a goalie away from being pretty good.)

They still would need a 1c and a 2c unless you think that is Mickhov. (I don't next year, maybe 3 years from now). Frost is not a 2c. Cates is not a 2c. And if you try to trade for one you might get the next PLD and screw yourself over.

You still need at least a 2d , hope York develops into a 3d and get a 4d/and or hope Andrae/Drysdale becomes a 4d. Risto should be traded. Seeler kept as a 5/6. Z shot into Siberia.

You are a top 6lw short unless Farabee bounces back. Laughton's heater does not make him a lw you build around. It makes him trade bait. Signing Tippett to that contract was such a short sighted move.

At best a goalie makes the flyers a 8-11 seed just miss the playoff or lose in 5 in the first round. Maybe that is your goal as a flyer fan, but it sure ain't mine.
 
Even if Laughton is only worth a 2nd, you make the trade. This team needs a 1C, and possibly a 2C as well. They also need a top pair Dman and could use another top 4 guy. Plus they need at least one goalie, maybe 2 as none of the current ones have proven to be reliable over any length of time as of yet.

They won’t be contending next season or in 26-27. Best case is 27-28 and Scott Laughton won’t (hopefully) be here by then. His value probably isn’t going to increase now that he’s on the wrong side of 30, so trade him already.

Now Deady and a few others don’t think that 2nd round picks matter much, and that mid and late round picks matter less. But, the more picks that you make, the better your chance of getting lucky and hitting on one of those picks. It’s why smart teams don’t extend plugs like Hathaway & Seeler. You can find another plug to replace them on a 1 year deal for peanuts, those guys are available every summer.
 
BiggE said:
Even if Laughton is only worth a 2nd, you make the trade. This team needs a 1C, and possibly a 2C as well. They also need a top pair Dman and could use another top 4 guy. Plus they need at least one goalie, maybe 2 as none of the current ones have proven to be reliable over any length of time as of yet.

They won’t be contending next season or in 26-27. Best case is 27-28 and Scott Laughton won’t (hopefully) be here by then. His value probably isn’t going to increase now that he’s on the wrong side of 30, so trade him already.

Now Deady and a few others don’t think that 2nd round picks matter much, and that mid and late round picks matter less. But, the more picks that you make, the better your chance of getting lucky and hitting on one of those picks. It’s why smart teams don’t extend plugs like Hathaway & Seeler. You can find another plug to replace them on a 1 year deal for peanuts, those guys are available every summer.
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And its ok to be creative in trading Laughton to get the 1. Laughton & Seeler? Laughton and lowest of 2025 2's?
 
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