2024-25 Roster Thread #2: Midseasonnar

[Ghosts Beer]

What strikes me about Laughton, is that so many on this board have for a year taken as gospel that the Flyers turned down a 1st rd pick and more for Scott Laughton.

Yet the latest Friedman report from the other day says the Flyers are asking for a 1st for Laughton, and a league source said teams feel the asking price of a 1st for Laughton is too rich, and that the Flyers are purposely outpricing him because they aren't eager to move him.

Well, that doesn't jive with the supposed fact that the Flyers turned down a 1st-plus for Laughton around last year's deadline, which I was always skeptical of. IF that was true, it must have involved taking on a bad contract as part of the deal.

If teams don't think Laughton is worth a 1st, and aren't willing to pay that price, as per Friedman's report, then a lot of posters need to reconsider what they state as fact that the Flyers rejected.

 

[trostol]

Teams may not think he is worth a 1st+..the Flyers do..which is overvalued on their part

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Teams may not think he is worth a 1st+..the Flyers do..which is overvalued on their part

Teams apparently don't think he's worth 1st by itself. Which, according to the report, is where the Flyers have set his price.

For a year on here I have read as gospel that the Flyers TURNED DOWN a 1st-plus more for Laughton.

That's sure not what Friedman's most recent report implies. So time to put that supposed fact to bed.

If teams don't think he's worth a 1st by itself, surely no team offered a 1st and more and the Flyers turned it down (unless, maybe, the crux was taking on an awful contract).

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Teams apparently don't think he's worth 1st by itself. Which, according to the report, is where the Flyers have set his price.

For a year on here I have read as gospel that the Flyers TURNED DOWN a 1st-plus more for Laughton.

That's sure not what Friedman's most recent report implies. So time to put that supposed fact to bed.

If teams don't think he's worth a 1st by itself, surely no team offered a 1st and more and the Flyers turned it down (unless, maybe, the crux was taking on an awful contract).

Is January of 2025 the same as September of 2023?

 

[trostol]

Teams apparently don't think he's worth 1st by itself. Which, according to the report, is where the Flyers have set his price.

For a year on here I have read as gospel that the Flyers TURNED DOWN a 1st-plus more for Laughton.

That's sure not what Friedman's most recent report implies. So time to put that supposed fact to bed.

If teams don't think he's worth a 1st by itself, surely no team offered a 1st and more and the Flyers turned it down (unless, maybe, the crux was taking on an awful contract).

That's an odd conclusion to come to...a year changes things

 

[Ghosts Beer]

That's an odd conclusion to come to...a year changes things

Yeah, OK, sure. Teams were willing to pay 1st and more for Laughton a year ago, but now, in the middle of a career year, they aren't even willing to pay a 1st.

As Twain said, "It's easier to fool people than to convince them they've been fooled."

 

[Fight4yourRight]

A "rebuilding" team shouldn't be that close to the cap

It can be, if it’s weaponizing cap space.

 

[Beef Invictus]

The Flyers with largely the same roster have gone from the 5th worst shooting percentage to way above that.


Why are we still playing this game. If they had a regular shooting percentage per their usual performance, they'd be ass at 5v5.

I mean, they're still utter ass outside of defense. They're just getting lucky for now. As annually happens, and it always leads to these grand proclamations that deflate.

They're not that far away. If they were that far away, they'd be horrible 5x5.
If they had average goaltending, they'd be a 90+ team.
They still need a lot of work, more depth, better STs and of course, find two reliable goaltenders.
But they're not starting from ground zero.

This season and next season are about identifying "keepers," developing players and gradually adding talent. Winning and losing are afterthoughts, being competitive is how you gauge progress.
To me, being competitive means matching up against good teams 5x5.

 

[KINGKENZO]

They're not that far away. If they were that far away, they'd be horrible 5x5.
If they had average goaltending, they'd be a 90+ team.
They still need a lot of work, more depth, better STs and of course, find two reliable goaltenders.
But they're not starting from ground zero.

This season and next season are about identifying "keepers," developing players and gradually adding talent. Winning and losing are afterthoughts, being competitive is how you gauge progress.
To me, being competitive means matching up against good teams 5x5.

NOT FAR AWAY HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Peace in the Middle East is closer than the Flyers are to contention

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I am reminded of this article from the summer:

A potent power play has never been more important | TSN

The offensive end of the spectrum has become a great differentiator in the modern NHL, Travis Yost writes.

www.tsn.ca

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Is January of 2025 the same as September of 2023?

we dont discuss facts here...

 

[deadhead]

The Flyers with largely the same roster have gone from the 5th worst shooting percentage to way above that.


Why are we still playing this game. If they had a regular shooting percentage per their usual performance, they'd be ass at 5v5.

I mean, they're still utter ass outside of defense. They're just getting lucky for now. As annually happens, and it always leads to these grand proclamations that deflate.

Flyers now tied for 1st in GF/60 (5x5) since 11/25.
Sh% is 10.8% over that period. That's 7th in the NHL.
The median is 9.42%
Flyers are 6th in HDCF/60 over that stretch.
7th in HDCF Sh%.

So no, while they're shooting above league average, it's mostly a product of creating high danger scoring chances. There might be a slight regression to the mean, but their jump in scoring is a matter of creating good scoring chances, not puck luck.

 

[Beef Invictus]

What strikes me about Laughton, is that so many on this board have for a year taken as gospel that the Flyers turned down a 1st rd pick and more for Scott Laughton.

Yet the latest Friedman report from the other day says the Flyers are asking for a 1st for Laughton, and a league source said teams feel the asking price of a 1st for Laughton is too rich, and that the Flyers are purposely outpricing him because they aren't eager to move him.

Well, that doesn't jive with the supposed fact that the Flyers turned down a 1st-plus for Laughton around last year's deadline, which I was always skeptical of. IF that was true, it must have involved taking on a bad contract as part of the deal.

If teams don't think Laughton is worth a 1st, and aren't willing to pay that price, as per Friedman's report, then a lot of posters need to reconsider what they state as fact that the Flyers rejected.

Are you trying to assume Laughton's value right now, as he's had a bad season, is the same as his value in prior years?

Why would you do that?

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Are you trying to assume Laughton's value right now, as he's had a bad season, is the same as his value in prior years?

Why would you do that?

Scott Laughton is on pace to have more goals and more points than he had last season.

An over 40 point season. He had 39 last year.

Yeah, I find it ridiculously hard to believe that the Flyers turned down an offer of a 1st + more for Laughton at the deadline, and a few months later, with increased production, teams are saying an asking price of simply a 1st round pick is too rich, and they think the Flyers are overpricing his trade value because they don't really want to move him.

As Twain said, it's easier to fool people than to convince them they've been fooled.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Scott Laughton is on pace to have more goals and more points than he had last season.

An over 40 point season. He had 39 last year.

Yeah, I find it ridiculously hard to believe that the Flyers turned down an offer of a 1st + more for Laughton at the deadline, and a few months later, with increased production, teams are saying an asking price of simply a 1st round pick is too rich, and they think the Flyers are overpricing his trade value because they don't really want to move him.

As Twain said, it's easier to fool people than to convince them they've been fooled.

Those are the only things that determine quality of season? You really think that?

You find it hard to believe that an incompetent organization did an incompetent thing? They even justified it, saying they believed he deserved to stay.


The proposals for Laughton have been well reported. You simply refuse to believe the facts because it gets in the way of your onslaught of loyalty a management group that has delivered nothing but failure to you.

 

[deadhead]

They haven't been "well reported," that would require numerous sources with details of proposed transactions.
There was one report that was very general and didn't go into details.
But the devil is always in the details.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

What HAS been well-reported is that the Flyers' scouts wanted to take Heiskanen or Makar, not Nolan Patrick, and Hextall overruled them to take Patrick,

But, of course, in that scenario Beef says it's all a conspiracy and a lie promulgated by the evil Bob Clarke.

 

[freakydallas13]

What HAS been well-reported is that the Flyers' scouts wanted to take Heiskanen or Makar, not Nolan Patrick, and Hextall overruled them to take Patrick,

But, of course, in that scenario Beef says it's all a conspiracy and a lie promulgated by the evil Bob Clarke.

It's so well reported you don't even know which player it is they wanted. Hieskanen? Makar? Who knows.

Well reported though.