FlyerNutter
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2024-25 Roster Thread #2: Midseasonnar
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BiggE
SELL THE DAMN TEAM
Why do consistently sing the praises of GMs and coaches until they are fired?
Why do you then pretend that you never sung their praises?
Why do you routinely state that such and such prospect will be on the roster in 3-4 years and then pretend you didn’t when those players never make the team?
Why do you carefully and selectively pick and choose stats that support your incorrect assertions while ignoring the stats that do not, let alone the eye test?
Your shtick is old, stale and tiring.
Beef Invictus
Revolutionary Positivity
The underlying process was a total failure and is unchanged. The player is irrelevant compared to the management process that failed badly.
freakydallas13
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Maybe because Briere traded a recent 5th overall prospect with sky high stock for a defenceman who is more than 6 times worse at putting up even strength points than a powerplay specialist who plays on the third pairing. A powerplay specialist this team paid to get rid of a few years earlier.
Nice try at deflecting how bad Drysdale (and by extension, that trade) is though.
Hollywood Cannon
I'm Away From My Desk
deadhead
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Don't look now, but Gauthier ain't exactly burning up the league.
29g 2-6 8 (ES) - that prorates to 23 points.
He's below average defensively.
He's 20 (21 in Jan), two years of college under his belt, so while there's plenty of upside, this isn't a 19 year old coming out of the CHL (Farabee, TK).
He's on a line with McTavish (#3) and Fabbri.
Right now Gauthier is a poor man's Tippett, volume shooter, except he doesn't score, doesn't hit people. Big, fast finesse forward in a PF's body. At this point, Tippett is probably his ceiling.
Beef Invictus
Revolutionary Positivity
Don't look now is correct. We look at what his value was at the time of the trade. It was higher than Drysdale.
It remains higher than Drysdale, actually. He's more of a mystery box with more theoretical upside for people who haven't watched him too closely.
deadhead
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Yes it was, which is why the Flyers got an expected top 40 pick as well (Anaheim's 2nd).
JojoTheWhale
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THEY RETAINED THE STAFF THAT TOOK THAT GUY AT 5TH OVERALL THROUGH A “REGIME CHANGE”. Give it a rest. Christ.
FlyerNutter
In the forest, a man learns what it means to live
Drysdale definitely has a nicer set of wheels to get to the games though.
Beef Invictus
Revolutionary Positivity
That doesn't cover the difference even remotely. Like handing over a 50 dollar bill to buy a box of Lemonheads and explaining to your wife that of course you got value, you got the Lemonheads and a ten dollar bill back
Beef Invictus
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JojoTheWhale
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They shit the bed on the same player twice. I’m convinced. They’re on the road to glory. Outstanding argument.
Beef Invictus
Revolutionary Positivity
And they did so in their continuing failed quest to replace Ghost's skillset. How many tries is this now? I've lost track.
JojoTheWhale
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Why are you focused on the same mistake they’ve been making since before any of our dogs were alive and will continue to make until the heat death of the universe?
deadhead
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It wasn't exactly a great draft:
#6 Jiricek, #7 Korchinski #8 Kasper #9 Savoie #10 Mintyukov #11 Geekie, #12 Mateychuck #13 Nazar, #14 McGroaty
Of this group, right now the only one outplaying Cutter is Mintyukov.
Hollywood Cannon
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JojoTheWhale
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I want to ask what Frank Nazar has done to you to never give him an ounce of credit for anything, but we’re back to McGroarty not being good.
Was it 2 or 3 weeks ago he was a better prospect than Gauthier? And a few weeks before that, it was this. I’m sure I go back further, there will be more. I’m dizzy, boss.
BringBackHakstol
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The Flyers never do anything wrong. It's why they've been so successful
BiggE
SELL THE DAMN TEAM
freakydallas13
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I don't know how many times this needs to be explained to you before you understand it, but Gauthier's value now has nothing to do with his value at the time of the trade. Stop pretending it does or I'm going to assume you are doing it in bad faith.
LegionOfDoom91
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The same staff told us that Gauthier had a sky high ceiling (despite historical data finding that unlikely outcome) up until he the moment he didn’t want them anymore & it became public.
No different than what they’re doing now with Luchanko.
No different than what they’re doing now with Luchanko.
deadhead
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He hasn't done anything yet. That's the issue with this whole draft.I want to ask what Frank Nazar has done to you to never give him an ounce of credit for anything, but we’re back to McGroarty not being good.
Was it 2 or 3 weeks ago he was a better prospect than Gauthier? And a few weeks before that, it was this. I’m sure I go back further, there will be more. I’m dizzy, boss.
D+3 you'd expect a few breakout players from #5 to #15.
Doesn't mean some won't turn out to be good players.
2023 draft, #7 Michkov, #13 Benson already showing their stuff.
Beef Invictus
Revolutionary Positivity
They were behaving and talking as if the 1-2 punch of Gauthier and Michkov was the rebuild solved and finished.
freakydallas13
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Briere's reply specifically to how he was going to acquire top end talent for a rebuild was "Well, we drafted high the last 2 years [Gauthier and Michkov]"
So he clearly insinuated Gauthier was a top talent. Now I guess we have to rely Michkov, Drysdale, and a 2nd round pick to be the elite talent we have been hoping for.
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