2024-25 Roster Thread #1: The Beginninging

[Beef Invictus]

No one is complaining about Cates' defence (which is great, or at least it was going into this season), we are complaining because yet again it sounds like the coach wants to shoehorn Cates into an offensive role he isn't cut out for.

If they would just leave him be as the 4th liner he is, pretty sure 95% of the complaints against him would disappear.

Connecting the dots, we know what Tortorella thinks.

1. I have Cates, and I am sure he is going to begin scoring for some reason
2. It is unfair for Frost to be here under me

Dude sure seems to be signaling that Cates just needs room to shine (which is sure to happen! He plays so Right-Wayly!), and he has an idea of how to make room.

Cates is a really nice piece to have as a shutdown winger on a good team. Paired with solid 4th liners who can push some offense, you could make a very good 4th line with him. I would love for that to happen here, but it won't. By the time this team is in Michkov's prime, what do we think he'd be? This is a piece we should probably be looking to sell high on. It'll never happen. He's gonna be Laughton's Heir.

 

[deadhead]

Frost played himself out of a job, Torts even said he's the most skilled center. He wants him to succeed, he needs his offense. There's something wrong with Frost physically, he's a better skater than he's shown. No one is blocking him but himself.

I think Torts wants to push Cates, the way he pushes a lot of young players.
Cates was a LW in college moved to Center in the NHL, then LW when he returned from injury last season.
So center is still a learning experience, and playing offense first center a bigger one, since he was on a defense first college team and used as a shutdown center his first season here.
It's not turning him into a top 6 C, it's seeing if he can play offense well enough to be a solid two way 3C.

 

[mize370]

Why do I question the Flyers ability to develop players?

Couturier was pegged as a defense first player and given no pp time for years despite the fact that he was seen as potentially the first pick overall in his draft year before he contracted mono. By the time they started to realize there was more to his game than checking, he had 5 years of hard wear and tear on his tires.

Sanheim, clearly a skilled player, has rarely been given an extended look on the pp. Hell, for years the organization favored the less talented Provorov and even Robert Hagg over TS.

They continually play Laughton at center when his skill set is much better utilized on the wing.

Time and time again, they put skilled players on lines with grinders and then wonder why those players don’t produce.

They see no value in a player like Ghost but fawn over a prospect like Hunter McDonald.

They pass over a Dman with 1D potential because they feel having York, Drysdale and Andrae doesn’t allow them to draft another sub 6’1 D, even though Drysdale has done squat, Andrae is still a wildcard and there is no guarantee that York, or any of the three, will even be here by the time a guy like Buium would be coming into his prime.

They keep Luchanko on the roster simply to make themselves feel smart and to try and justify the selection. The kid was nowhere near ready to play in the NHL.

There’s more, much more, but I think the point has been made.

Bigg E Stop making sense. You know who wont like it

 

[mja]

Why do I question the Flyers ability to develop players?

Couturier was pegged as a defense first player and given no pp time for years despite the fact that he was seen as potentially the first pick overall in his draft year before he contracted mono. By the time they started to realize there was more to his game than checking, he had 5 years of hard wear and tear on his tires.

Sanheim, clearly a skilled player, has rarely been given an extended look on the pp. Hell, for years the organization favored the less talented Provorov and even Robert Hagg over TS.

They continually play Laughton at center when his skill set is much better utilized on the wing.

Time and time again, they put skilled players on lines with grinders and then wonder why those players don’t produce.

They see no value in a player like Ghost but fawn over a prospect like Hunter McDonald.

They pass over a Dman with 1D potential because they feel having York, Drysdale and Andrae doesn’t allow them to draft another sub 6’1 D, even though Drysdale has done squat, Andrae is still a wildcard and there is no guarantee that York, or any of the three, will even be here by the time a guy like Buium would be coming into his prime.

They keep Luchanko on the roster simply to make themselves feel smart and to try and justify the selection. The kid was nowhere near ready to play in the NHL.

There’s more, much more, but I think the point has been made.

Remember when they started to give up on Simon Gagne as a scorer and tried to turn him into a defensive winger, that is until Ed Snider of all people slammed his hand down on the table after watching Gagne play internationally and asked them what the hell they were doing?

 

[Beef Invictus]

Frost played himself out of a job, Torts even said he's the most skilled center. He wants him to succeed, he needs his offense. There's something wrong with Frost physically, he's a better skater than he's shown. No one is blocking him but himself.

I think Torts wants to push Cates, the way he pushes a lot of young players.
Cates was a LW in college moved to Center in the NHL, then LW when he returned from injury last season.
So center is still a learning experience, and playing offense first center a bigger one, since he was on a defense first college team and used as a shutdown center his first season here.
It's not turning him into a top 6 C, it's seeing if he can play offense well enough to be a solid two way 3C.

There was nothing Frost could do to stay in the job. He's been benched in the middle of playing well, for example, while certain other players never see the bench while playing worse. Tortorella has been dying to get rid of him since Day 1. This has been intensely obvious.

A major part of Frost's problems can be chalked up to his coach deliberately destroying his confidence for years. Fun fact, that's bad player development.

 

[Curufinwe]

Facts are this is his 3rd year full time in the NHL. Using a small sample at the end of a meaningless season should not be included. Use apples to apples (full seasons).

Then we shouldn't be discussing the current season at all. Cates has only played 15 games.

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[trostol]

Maybe Frost is just tired of being dicked around

 

[mize370]

I think Cates will break out very soon and score 25 this season. Also think Tippett will get 50. I also am very delusional. lol

 

[Curufinwe]

Tippett needs 40 points in 73 games to get to 50

Cates needs 23 points in 73 games to get to 25

 

[Beef Invictus]

Tippett needs 40 points in 73 games to get to 50

Cates needs 23 points in 73 games to get to 25

Tippett, Cates, Farabee, Foerster, Drysdale all coming in under expectations: Silence

Frost Coming In Under Expectations: Numerous manifestos about how horrendous and lazy he is


Jeff Carter Syndrome. The team and fanbase never got immunity from it the first time the virus hit.

 

[Lord Defect]

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Tippett, Cates, Farabee, Foerster, Drysdale all coming in under expectations: Silence

Frost Coming In Under Expectations: Numerous manifestos about how horrendous and lazy he is


Jeff Carter Syndrome. The team and fanbase never got immunity from it the first time the virus hit

Carters last season or two here he dogged the ever loving shit out of his play. I cannot remember a single instance of him rushing for the puck. It was glide glide glide. Score when were up by two.

 

[Beef Invictus]

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Carters last season or two here he dogged the ever loving shit out of his play. I cannot remember a single instance of him rushing for the puck. It was glide glide glide. Score when were up by two.

Factually untrue. He led the team in scoring while they were trailing, and that's when most of his scoring occurred. He was also one of the team's most effective defensive players.

Evidently people only noticed when he'd snag an ENG, and not when he'd tie the game.

 

[Lord Defect]

Factually untrue. He led the team in scoring while they were trailing, and that's when most of his scoring occurred. He was also one of the team's most effective defensive players.

Evidently people only noticed when he'd snag an ENG, and not when he'd tie the game.

If I’m wrong or not I know what my eyes told me. He dogged every damn shift.

 

[Beef Invictus]

If I’m wrong or not I know what my eyes told me. He dogged every damn shift.

He was one of the best players in the team. He also happened to be the smoothest skater on the team, so people thought he wasn't trying. Efficiency is often confused with lack of effort