2024-25 Roster Thread #1: The Beginninging

[blackjackmulligan]

Waivers are not a good gauge of player value. Every game NAK and Ghost play, proves this notion wrong.

Not a be all end all but sure it is as most player waived NHL teams have their own version of said waived player.

 

[mr figgles]

So they gonna keep this kid to play him 11 mins a night instead of letting him go to junior and try to develop into a scorer. Maybe make team Canada , but no , let’s see if he can be a plug 3C.

You don’t have faith in Rocky developing his offense?

 

[TB87]

The amount of crap the org got over their process of picking Luchanko - and to now him demonstrating a possibility of hanging in the NHL as a fresh 18yo

A prospect who would be better off further developing his small area skill vs junior players, instead of vs. NHL competition, is a reasonable takeaway from watching him this preseason, last year, last year’s OHL playoffs, etc. I’m good with “playing the kids” when they’re ready to be a net-positive NHL contributor. He isn’t right now but he should be in the somewhat near future(ish). If “demonstrating a possibility of hanging in the NHL” is something that they’re looking for, it’s fair to question it because that process is not great.

 

[Beef Invictus]

He did fail. Had multiple chances. Fell down the depth chart.

agree with the bold

He fell in the judgement of idiots who are always getting this kind of thing wrong

 

[trostol]

i think the main issue is..most of us so-called "negative" posters do not see the org having a long-term plan..quick fixes so they can achieve just getting to the playoffs..a non-rebuild rebuild..wasting..even later-round picks for aging vets that they just have to have so they can raise that culture champ banner

in a way it is insulting to the fans because they do no think we can sit through an actual proper rebuild

 

[deadhead]

Ghost had nothing to do with talent evaluation, he was in AV's doghouse and his cap hit was high for a 3rd pair D-man.

NAK is a dime a dozen 4th liner, not as good as Poehling or Hathaway. Probably better than Lycksell or Richard, but has zero upside. A good forechecker who was a dirty player who took too many stupid penalties (shades of Rinaldo). I have no use for players who elbow other players in the head (did that multiple times in the AHL and NHL).

And other than Cousins, who was traded by Hextall almost a decade ago, that's it.
Or do you miss Myers, Twarynski, Leier, Laczynski, Allison (in KHL), Friedman, et al?

This love for marginal players is bizarre.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Ghost had nothing to do with talent evaluation, he was in AV's doghouse and his cap hit was high for a 3rd pair D-man.

NAK is a dime a dozen 4th liner, not as good as Poehling or Hathaway. Probably better than Lycksell or Richard, but has zero upside. A good forechecker who was a dirty player who took too many stupid penalties (shades of Rinaldo). I have no use for players who elbow other players in the head (did that multiple times in the AHL and NHL).

And other than Cousins, who was traded by Hextall almost a decade ago, that's it.
Or do you miss Myers, Twarynski, Leier, Laczynski, Allison (in KHL), Friedman, et al?

This love for marginal players is bizarre.

“His cap hit was high for a third pair d-man”

Proceeds to celebrate Poehling and Hathaway.

P.S. AV wrongly evaluating Ghost and the organization siding with a lame duck AV is talent evaluation. They’ve also gone on to pay third pair d-men more than Ghost got paid while sending assets out.

 

[deadhead]

“His cap hit was high for a third pair d-man”

Proceeds to celebrate Poehling and Hathaway.

P.S. AV wrongly evaluating Ghost and the organization siding with a lame duck AV is talent evaluation. They’ve also gone on to pay third pair d-men more than Ghost got paid while sending assets out.

No, it's a stubborn HC with a big contract.
Ghost has been on the 3rd pair in Carolina and Detroit. That's his role on PO teams.
And AV and CF don't work here anymore for some reason.

There is no "they." That's conspiracy theory talk, "those people . . ."
Briere is the GM, Torts is the HC, Jones is the President.
Hilferty so far has been hands off hockey operations.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Not a be all end all but sure it is as most player waived NHL teams have their own version of said waived player.

Which is why they make it through. It doesn't make them less NHL caliber.

Every year multiple players better than Deslauriers pass waivers. Just because they pass doesn't mean they aren't better than him.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Ghost had nothing to do with talent evaluation, he was in AV's doghouse and his cap hit was high for a 3rd pair D-man.

NAK is a dime a dozen 4th liner, not as good as Poehling or Hathaway. Probably better than Lycksell or Richard, but has zero upside. A good forechecker who was a dirty player who took too many stupid penalties (shades of Rinaldo). I have no use for players who elbow other players in the head (did that multiple times in the AHL and NHL).

And other than Cousins, who was traded by Hextall almost a decade ago, that's it.
Or do you miss Myers, Twarynski, Leier, Laczynski, Allison (in KHL), Friedman, et al?

This love for marginal players is bizarre.

Of course it has everything to do with player evaluation.

 

[freakydallas13]

Ghost had nothing to do with talent evaluation

He was taken off a PP that sorely needed his skills. Poor talent evaluation.

he was in AV's doghouse

This is true. And also stupid.

and his cap hit was high for a 3rd pair D-man.

The Flyers love paying out the nose for "cap hit is too high for a 3rd pair d-man", exhibit A: Risto.

 

[deadhead]

He was taken off a PP that sorely needed his skills. Poor talent evaluation.

This is true. And also stupid.

The Flyers love paying out the nose for "cap hit is too high for a 3rd pair d-man", exhibit A: Risto.

There is no "Flyers."
There are the decision makers, it was HOlmgren/Hextall/CF with input from Clarke and Barber.
They're all gone.

If you want to whine about Breire/Torts/Jones, be my guest.
But none had any involvement in what came before.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

They're all gone. Everything has changed. Why can't you see this?

 

[kudymen]

I have always found the love for marginal coaches and managers quite bizarre

 

[FlyerNutter]

 

[mr figgles]

They're all gone. Everything has changed. Why can't you see this?

They added fresh young go-getter Bob Murray into the mix. That has to count for something.

 

[Magua]

On the “no involvement before” front, I cannot think of a team in any sport that hired a new GM and President, while retaining the entire coaching staff and AGM/VP of Hockey Ops 2 seasons down the line.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

He fell in the judgement of idiots who are always getting this kind of thing wrong

Is there a pattern of players the Flyers waive having NHL success elsewhere? NAK is the only example. Time to move along. Amazes me people still about this guy.

Which is why they make it through. It doesn't make them less NHL caliber.

Every year multiple players better than Deslauriers pass waivers. Just because they pass doesn't mean they aren't better than him.

Better than ND is such a high bar to beat. Very few on waivers amount to much.

Ghost had nothing to do with talent evaluation, he was in AV's doghouse and his cap hit was high for a 3rd pair D-man.

NAK is a dime a dozen 4th liner, not as good as Poehling or Hathaway. Probably better than Lycksell or Richard, but has zero upside. A good forechecker who was a dirty player who took too many stupid penalties (shades of Rinaldo). I have no use for players who elbow other players in the head (did that multiple times in the AHL and NHL).

And other than Cousins, who was traded by Hextall almost a decade ago, that's it.
Or do you miss Myers, Twarynski, Leier, Laczynski, Allison (in KHL), Friedman, et al?

This love for marginal players is bizarre.

All of whom you had in the Flyers lineup at one time!!!

Myers it seems has a chance to stick with the Leafs.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

No, it's a stubborn HC with a big contract.
Ghost has been on the 3rd pair in Carolina and Detroit. That's his role on PO teams.
And AV and CF don't work here anymore for some reason.

There is no "they." That's conspiracy theory talk, "those people . . ."
Briere is the GM, Torts is the HC, Jones is the President.
Hilferty so far has been hands off hockey operations.

Briere is the CO-GM while Torts is the CO-GM/coach. "Jonesy" is the class clown.

There is no "Flyers."
There are the decision makers, it was HOlmgren/Hextall/CF with input from Clarke and Barber.
They're all gone.

If you want to whine about Breire/Torts/Jones, be my guest.
But none had any involvement in what came before.

Not true as Danny was part of Chuck's team.

 

[bennysflyers16]

He had 20 f***ing goals in junior. This team is brilliant for fooling the authentics.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Is there a pattern of players the Flyers waive having NHL success elsewhere? NAK is the only example. Time to move along. Amazes me people still about this guy.


Better than ND is such a high bar to beat. Very few on waivers amount to much.


All of whom you had in the Flyers lineup at one time!!!

Myers it seems has a chance to stick with the Leafs.

Again, I know you realize it isn't about NAK. This has been told to you. Many times by many people. You know this.

You also know that there is no reason for other teams to bother with our 4th liners when they have their own. Pure loss for us, and nothing to the rest of them.

Deslauriers is a low bar. And yet it is the bar the team set.

 

[Beef Invictus]

There is no "Flyers."
There are the decision makers, it was HOlmgren/Hextall/CF with input from Clarke and Barber.
They're all gone.

If you want to whine about Breire/Torts/Jones, be my guest.
But none had any involvement in what came before.

They are not all gone. Aside from Fletcher, they're all still here. And active. Everyone in management now was in management then.

 

[pit]

I love how in the current version of management everyone has their roles and stays in their lane but in the previous iteration of management it was Holmgren Wyrmtongue and AV forcing all of the bad moves.

The in-depth evidence supporting these arguments has been voluminous and irrefutable as well.