2024-25 Roster Thread #1: The Beginninging

[Beef Invictus]

You had better expectations than 87 points last season? I think Vegas had them at 75.5, and the board certainly had them pegged as a bottom-feeder.

They exceeded expectations, even after losing their #1 goalie in January to a sexual assault charge.

Wait, is this that poll you ran that didn't remotely show what you claim?

I cannot imagine taking a victory lap because the team finished around bottom 10 and missed the playoffs instead of bottom 5.

Especially when a major complaint about Tortorella is that he gets the most out of bad teams and holds good teams back, trapping them in mediocre hell. How is that thing playing out good?

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Wait, is this that poll you ran that didn't remotely show what you claim?

I cannot imagine taking a victory lap because the team finished around bottom 10 and missed the playoffs instead of bottom 5.

Especially when a major complaint about Tortorella is that he gets the most out of bad teams and holds good teams back, trapping them in mediocre hell. How is that thing playing out good?

Are you implying the Flyers didn't exceed expectations last season?

 

[Beef Invictus]

Are you implying the Flyers didn't exceed expectations last season?

No. I am flat-out and obviously saying that elevating from "missing the playoffs badly" to "clearly missing the playoffs" isn't as impressive and constructive as you think it is.

 

[DAVIDE1333]

Lycksell was a 6th round pick.

He was under a point per game in the AHL at age 23.

OK, 39 points in 38 AHL games at age 24. Great.

People mocked Gerry Mayhew, what has Lycksell shown that he's anything more than an AHL scorer like Mayhew?

Why are people pretending he's some kind of significant prospect?

If he can beat out someone in the top 9, good for him. I don't see it happening.

And he's useless as a 4th liner. At least let the 4th line be a pain in the ass to play against.

Lycksell has 6 points in 26 career NHL games. Hathaway had 17 points in 82 NHL games last season. Hath can give you the same production on the 4th line while also bringing a completely different and beneficial physical element to the team that Lycksell lacks.

Lycksell's prorated points is slightly better than Hathaway's and he's 6/7 years younger. Tell me who has a better chance to develop?

 

[trostol]

The Flyers have depth. They're going to play hard and play the right way.

They lack high-end talent, but they'll be in the playoff hunt IF they get adequate goaltending.

Goaltending is going to be the biggest factor.

you literally..did not answer the question lol The Flyers way..GTFO...you ..like they are stuck in the 70's and 80's

Are you implying the Flyers didn't exceed expectations last season?

did most of the other teams in the east suck? or are you going to gloss over that

 

[freakydallas13]

Who is stagnating?

Wisdom regressed, but not sure if that's injuries or struggling in a more competitive AHL
Desnoyers regressed, but word is he gained too much weight and was sluggish, quicker this camp.
Tuomaala took a step up.
Ginning continued to improve, but the ceiling is obvious.
Avon improved, has filled out his body, but missed a lot of development time before he was signed as a UDFA (which is how one of the fastest players in the CHL went undrafted)
Grans has flatlined, but that's why he was available in the first place
Samson has improved, but still has a long way to go to be NHL material
Lycksell has improved
Attard has improved

In other words, pretty typical of any organization.
Not one is a slam dunk NHL player.

The "Who is stagnating?" question asked in an accusatory tone, followed by naming a bunch of players who stagnated before we could even answer is hilarious to me. 10/10.

I recall the vast majority on this board labeling the Flyers a bottom-5 team before last season, and they went into Game 82 with a chance to make the playoffs.

You recall wrong, the biggest portion of the pre-season poll had them finishing just outside the playoffs.

 

[freakydallas13]

They have 18 legitimate NHL players who could start for most teams in the NHL on the current roster, you couldn't say that for most of the decade since 2011-12. Zamula and Brink are probably the most marginal in that group, but both would be claimed if cut.

18 legitimate NHL players! This powerhouse of a team you think has absolutely no chaff better perform as cup aspirations with such a stacked roster. Should we be disappointed if a team with all legitimate NHL players doesn't at least make the cup final?

 

[freakydallas13]

the board certainly had them pegged as a bottom-feeder.

Stop saying this, it's straight up incorrect. Pull up the poll from before the season started and let's look at what most of this board thought.

 

[Starat327]

Stop saying this, it's straight up incorrect. Pull up the poll from before the season started and let's look at what most of this board thought.

You gotta stop talking to yourself, man.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Lycksell's prorated points is slightly better than Hathaway's and he's 6/7 years younger. Tell me who has a better chance to develop?

Develop into what?

Hey, if Lycksell beats out Farabee or Brink for a top 9 wing role, good for him.

You really want Lycksell on line 4, getting maybe 2 more points than Hathaway but offering absolutely no dimensions to his game that Hathaway offers, like being one of the biggest pains in the asses to play against in the entire league?

 

[DAVIDE1333]

Develop into what?

Hey, if Lycksell beats out Farabee or Brink for a top 9 wing role, good for him.

You really want Lycksell on line 4, getting maybe 2 more points than Hathaway but offering absolutely no dimensions to his game that Hathaway offers, like being one of the biggest pains in the asses to play against in the entire league?

A 24 year old can develop. A 32 year old cannot and will only get worse. For a team in cap hell I'll also take Lycksell's 2 more points for 1/3 the cost.

 

[freakydallas13]

You gotta stop talking to yourself, man.

 

[deadhead]

Lycksell's prorated points is slightly better than Hathaway's and he's 6/7 years younger. Tell me who has a better chance to develop?

Did you watch the game tonight? Lycksell better pick up his game quickly, at 25 he's about to become an AHL plus player like Marody. At some point there is no more development, there is do or die.

18 legitimate NHL players! This powerhouse of a team you think has absolutely no chaff better perform as cup aspirations with such a stacked roster. Should we be disappointed if a team with all legitimate NHL players doesn't at least make the cup final?

Stacked? No. I've said repeatedly they need more quality at the top, Bonk, Luchanko next year, a couple more this summer. Remains to be seen if Brink, Barkey, Bump etc. ever become good enough to push for a top 9 spot.

But they're not starting VdV or MacEwen either.

 

[freakydallas13]

Stacked? No. I've said repeatedly they need more quality at the top, Bonk, Luchanko next year, a couple more this summer. Remains to be seen if Brink, Barkey, Bump etc. ever become good enough to push for a top 9 spot.

But they're not starting VdV or MacEwen either.

Well that doesn't sound like this team is very good at all. Also VdV and MacEwan are the same level of bad as Deslauriers is. They are debatably better.

 

[Magua]

I've said repeatedly they need more quality at the top, Bonk, Luchanko next year, a couple more this summer

Phase 1: Identify Need for Top Talent
Phase 2: ?
Phase 3: Profit

Nothing you named will be or likely leads to top of the lineup talent. Your point runs out of road after about 10 feet.

 

[deadhead]

Well that doesn't sound like this team is very good at all. Also VdV and MacEwan are the same level of bad as Deslauriers is. They are debatably better.

Deslauriers ain't in their top 12. If there's a major injury, they'll call someone up to play over him.
Second half last season, during a playoff run:
ATOI:

TK 35g 20:19
Foerster 37g 17:36
Tippett 37g 17:30
Farabee 41g 16:41
Frost 41g 16:18
Poehling 41g 16:08
Laughton 41g 15:59
Couts 35g 15:24
Atkinson 30g 14:33
Hathaway 41g 14:12
Cates 38g 13:27
This group of 11 is back, except Michkov instead of Atkinson

Brink 21g 12:24
Gurianov 4g 10:54
Lycksell 17g 10:10
Deslauriers 21g 6:52

12th men (and beyond)
2012-13: Knuble, McGinn, Rinaldo
2013-14: Hall (11), Rinaldo, Rosehill
2014-15: VdV (11), Laughton, White, Rinaldo
2015-16: VdV, Cousins, Umberger
2016-17: Cousins, VdV, Lyubimov
2017-18: Lehtera, Leier
2018-19: Knight, Vorobyev, Lehtera, Varone
2019-20: NAK, Twarynski, Vorobyev, Bunnaman
2020-21: NAK, Bunnaman
2021-22: Brown/Mayhew/Thompson/Willman (11), MacEwen
2022-23: McEwen/Brown (11), Deslauriers, Bellows, Laczynski

 

[Beef Invictus]

Haha. Yeah. Heard that before.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

18 legitimate NHL players! This powerhouse of a team you think has absolutely no chaff better perform as cup aspirations with such a stacked roster. Should we be disappointed if a team with all legitimate NHL players doesn't at least make the cup final?

Does any team current have more former 1st rd pics on there roster than the Flyers?

Shocked the media spin doesn't mention that much.

Deslauriers ain't in their top 12. If there's a major injury, they'll call someone up to play over him.
Second half last season, during a playoff run:
ATOI:

TK 35g 20:19
Foerster 37g 17:36
Tippett 37g 17:30
Farabee 41g 16:41
Frost 41g 16:18
Poehling 41g 16:08
Laughton 41g 15:59
Couts 35g 15:24
Atkinson 30g 14:33
Hathaway 41g 14:12
Cates 38g 13:27
This group of 11 is back, except Michkov instead of Atkinson

Brink 21g 12:24
Gurianov 4g 10:54
Lycksell 17g 10:10
Deslauriers 21g 6:52

12th men (and beyond)
2012-13: Knuble, McGinn, Rinaldo
2013-14: Hall (11), Rinaldo, Rosehill
2014-15: VdV (11), Laughton, White, Rinaldo
2015-16: VdV, Cousins, Umberger
2016-17: Cousins, VdV, Lyubimov
2017-18: Lehtera, Leier
2018-19: Knight, Vorobyev, Lehtera, Varone
2019-20: NAK, Twarynski, Vorobyev, Bunnaman
2020-21: NAK, Bunnaman
2021-22: Brown/Mayhew/Thompson/Willman (11), MacEwen
2022-23: McEwen/Brown (11), Deslauriers, Bellows, Laczynski

Did you proclaim they will all be NHL players?

 

[Curufinwe]

Already tired of the should Luchanko make the team storyline.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

It would be fun to have Luchanko on the NHL team, but the right move is almost certainly letting him develop his offensive game in junior.

I think there's a 0% chance he makes the Flyers. He just turned 18 a month ago!

 

[renberg]

Last season the Sabres kept Zach Benson instead of sending him down. That seemed to work for him. Any chance that the same could be true of Luchanko?

 

[Curufinwe]

Last season the Sabres kept Zach Benson instead of sending him down. That seemed to work for him. Any chance that the same could be true of Luchanko?

Who in the top 9 is getting benched to make room?

 

[BiggE]

Some of you really need to get a grasp of where this team is. Guys like Laughton and EJ might be marginally better than the kid from LHV that would replace them, but IT DOESN’T MATTER!

First off this team is going nowhere this year. A top 4 D of York, Sanheim, Drysdsle & Seeler playing in front of average (at best) goaltenders, is not getting you into the playoffs.

So ask yourselves, and be honest, is it better to keep all the vets and miss the playoffs by 5-10 points or is better to move some for picks, play kids and miss the playoffs by 12-18 points?

Top end talent is what they need, badly! You have a much better chance at landing that talent picking in the 5-8 range than you do picking between 11-14. Wake the f*** up!

 

[deadhead]

If Hart didn't go AWOL they probably end up with 95 points and a playoff berth last season.

It comes down to the goaltenders, if Ersson/Fedotov are average or better, they have a shot at the playoffs. If not, it solves itself and players get moved at the TDL.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

A "shot" at the playoffs isn't an accomplishment.

Players get moved at the deadline? Come on now. We still believe that?