2024-25 Roster Thread #1: The Beginninging

[Mickey the mouse]

If he gets claimed on waivers that team has to keep him on the NHL roster anyway so his one way salary doesn’t really impact that decision if they like the player. Not going to try to predict NHL waiver outcomes (look at the trash this team has claimed in the last half decade) but if the Flyers like him even a little bit, they have the roster spots to not expose him to waivers.

I’d have no problem if they ended up waiving him if they thought they actually had an upgrade. That roster space will just be backfilled with garbage though. We know it. This team has not the slightest clue of how to manage the fringes of a roster.

Only has to stay on NHL roster for 30 days if claimed then can be placed on waivers again with the Flyers having 1st choice of picking him back up

 

[prototypical4thliner]

Watch what he DOES, not what he SAYS.

I know I know. I’m just laughing at the, I guess you’d call it, irony.

 

[deadhead]

I think "the lack of talent" meme for the Flyers is a bit exaggerated.
top 5x5 scoring forwards, 5x5 per 60:
Tippett 2.31 (40)
TK 2.28 (43)
Farabee 2.25 (50)
Michkov and Frost have a chance of breaking into the top 50 this season. Question is how NHL ready Michkov is and whether Frost can take the next step and exploit high scoring wings.

If Couts is healthy, and another year away from his back surgeries, can't see him at 1.53 again, from 2017-2021 he averaged 2.20 pp/60. If he's playing with Farabee and TK/Michkov, and is healthy, should be more like 2.00+. Had great metrics at less than 100% but horrible Sh%.

Guys like Brink (1.59), Foerster (1.28), Cates (1.37 but 1.68 second half at LW) are more iffy.
Not sure how much offense you'll get out of Cates/Foerster - Laughton - Foerster/Brink. Probably 3rd line or so.
And of course, whoever is at LW with Poehling and Hathaway will get chances to score goals b/c they're possession monsters, but you're not getting a lot of assists feeding those two.

On defense, it's trickier.
York - Sanheim was a 2nd pair matched against 1st lines last season, how much upside do they have?
Seeler - Walker was a top 2nd pair, but will Seeler - Drysdale be as productive?
Zamula - Risto depends on Zamula's development and Risto' health.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Only has to stay on NHL roster for 30 days if claimed then can be placed on waivers again with the Flyers having 1st choice of picking him back up

But teams aren't claiming guys they don't think will stick in the NHL. Two way contracts didn't stop the Flyers from claiming fourth line plugs like MacEwen and Brown. Hell Brown didn't even start his 2 year contract when the Flyers claimed him.

The way teams piss away money in this league, I really don't think they are too worried about a prorated couple hundred thousand, with no cap implications, in the worst case scenario.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I think "the lack of talent" meme for the Flyers is a bit exaggerated.
top 5x5 scoring forwards, 5x5 per 60:
Tippett 2.31 (40)
TK 2.28 (43)
Farabee 2.25 (50)
Michkov and Frost have a chance of breaking into the top 50 this season. Question is how NHL ready Michkov is and whether Frost can take the next step and exploit high scoring wings.

If Couts is healthy, and another year away from his back surgeries, can't see him at 1.53 again, from 2017-2021 he averaged 2.20 pp/60. If he's playing with Farabee and TK/Michkov, and is healthy, should be more like 2.00+. Had great metrics at less than 100% but horrible Sh%.

Guys like Brink (1.59), Foerster (1.28), Cates (1.37 but 1.68 second half at LW) are more iffy.
Not sure how much offense you'll get out of Cates/Foerster - Laughton - Foerster/Brink. Probably 3rd line or so.
And of course, whoever is at LW with Poehling and Hathaway will get chances to score goals b/c they're possession monsters, but you're not getting a lot of assists feeding those two.

On defense, it's trickier.
York - Sanheim was a 2nd pair matched against 1st lines last season, how much upside do they have?
Seeler - Walker was a top 2nd pair, but will Seeler - Drysdale be as productive?
Zamula - Risto depends on Zamula's development and Risto' health.

No, they lack talent

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I'm quite sure that they factually lack talent. Look around the league.

 

[deadhead]

3 in the top 50 is pretty good.
Now they don't have an elite scorer, but Point at #19 was 2.50, not a big gap.
If Michkov is top 10-20 in a year or two they'd match up pretty well.
Even better if Frost can become a true 2C.
And if Luchanko can upgrade over Laughton.

Same way Sanheim was 23rd among D-men.
Now they need Drysdale or another D-man to step up and be in the top 50 or so, which is about 1.0 pp/60. [Walker was 31st).

They need more talent, but not a huge amount, maybe another forward who's a goal scorer, an offense first LHD. That is, a top 6 and a top 4. They should be able to land that this summer.

They also need to improve the PP, the PK is in pretty good shape.

 

[Kshahdoo]

 

[Magua]

The PP is the most accurate portrayal of top end talent. It’s curious how the talented Flyers the last 2 seasons have finished dead last in xGF/60 and GF/60. It can’t be coaching because the coaches have had their praises sung and every coach has been retained. This is a mystery alright. And I don’t think the Flyers have another even average future PP producer in the system after Michkov, so this will be as good as it gets.

 

[BigToe]

The PP is the most accurate portrayal of top end talent. It’s curious how the talented Flyers the last 2 seasons have finished dead last in xGF/60 and GF/60. It can’t be coaching because the coaches have had their praises sung and every coach has been retained. This is a mystery alright. And I don’t think the Flyers have another even average future PP producer in the system after Michkov, so this will be as good as it gets.

You clearly haven't seen how dominant Bonk can be in the slot

 

[freakydallas13]

I think "the lack of talent" meme for the Flyers is a bit exaggerated.
top 5x5 scoring forwards, 5x5 per 60:
Tippett 2.31 (40)
TK 2.28 (43)
Farabee 2.25 (50)
Michkov and Frost have a chance of breaking into the top 50 this season. Question is how NHL ready Michkov is and whether Frost can take the next step and exploit high scoring wings.

If Couts is healthy, and another year away from his back surgeries, can't see him at 1.53 again, from 2017-2021 he averaged 2.20 pp/60. If he's playing with Farabee and TK/Michkov, and is healthy, should be more like 2.00+. Had great metrics at less than 100% but horrible Sh%.

Guys like Brink (1.59), Foerster (1.28), Cates (1.37 but 1.68 second half at LW) are more iffy.
Not sure how much offense you'll get out of Cates/Foerster - Laughton - Foerster/Brink. Probably 3rd line or so.
And of course, whoever is at LW with Poehling and Hathaway will get chances to score goals b/c they're possession monsters, but you're not getting a lot of assists feeding those two.

On defense, it's trickier.
York - Sanheim was a 2nd pair matched against 1st lines last season, how much upside do they have?
Seeler - Walker was a top 2nd pair, but will Seeler - Drysdale be as productive?
Zamula - Risto depends on Zamula's development and Risto' health.

Now do top PP scoring comparing the Flyers to the league.