Blue Jays Discussion: 2024-25 Off-season: The free agent watch begins (and sometimes old baseball radio broadcasts)

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Yeah he would’ve fit well as a final bullpen piece. Chafin is still out there and could fit as that lefty out of the pen. He’s also got that 92 Phillies look with the messy mullet and moustache - we could use an intimidating looking dude.
 
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Bullish on the starters in the system in the top 10 and top 15, discussed on Bunkis.
There's reason to be on the rotation.

Gausman won't be that bad again. He missed all of spring training and didn't really look right until after the all-star break. Berrios was about as good as expected. Bassitt was only a bit below his usual expectations. Francis was a pleasant surprise. Scherzer should be fine as a 5th starter.

The rotation is the least of this team's concerns.
 
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The projections we've seen so far seem to disagree with you. But I guess that's just those Rogers shills over at... like... Fangraphs.
Uhuh didn't they say we'd win 88 games last year.

There's not enough insulation within this lineup to cover for another injury riddled season to any one of Santander vladdy or Bo and certainly not enough to accomodate one injury and one long slump.
 
Uhuh didn't they say we'd win 88 games last year.

There's not enough insulation within this lineup to cover for another injury riddled season to any one of Santander vladdy or Bo and certainly not enough to accomodate one injury and one long slump.
Being wrong last year doesn't negate any future projections they put out.

But, more importantly, I don't know how good the offense will be - I still think they're missing one impact bat. I'm just responding to the claim that "no marketing campaign could convince fans this offense is good enough" with an example of a completely independent, stats-based projection that suggests it is.
 

On Jan. 16, I was one of several reporters who heard and relayed that the Mets expected Pete Alonso to sign elsewhere.

According to league sources, the organization reached that conclusion because Alonso turned down their offer of a three-year contract that contained opt-outs and included deferred money that would have elevated the total to well over $70 million. If he said no to that, the Mets thought, he must have a better deal elsewhere.

But now it is February, and Alonso is still a free agent. The Mets’ most recent signings left some room in their expanding budget for another addition. Clearly, the team’s pivot was not a slammed door — or, as owner Steve Cohen said on Jan. 25, they will “never say no.”

Considering all that, why not forget the events of the past month and reunite? With spring training set to start next week, perhaps it is time for Alonso to come home to the Mets for at least one more season, if not two or three.

Of all things, it was the Ryne Stanek signing that first signaled to me that this path remained somewhat open.

A review of the recent Mets/Alonso timeline of events should explain why:

— On Jan. 23, I reported that talks between Alonso and the Toronto Blue Jays were advancing. They weren’t at the one-yard line, but as one source with direct knowledge put it, they were at the 10. As Josh Allen’s tush knows, those final yards are hardly a guarantee.

Newsday’s Tim Healey bested me that day, reporting that Alonso was “deep in contract talks with the Blue Jays.”

Obviously, the sides could not complete that deal. That left Alonso without a publicly known suitor.
 
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There was an analyst on Bunkis' show earlier that made a good point I hadn't considered before with respect to signing Vlad long-term. He said that it is guys that are superior athletes that tend to regress the fastest when they get into their 30s as they lose some of their athleticism (ehem, Springer). Conversely, the...husky lads that rely on traits other than athleticism from day 1 tend to maintain their performance longer.

I don't know if there's empirical evidence to back this, but it does seem logical to me.
 
There was an analyst on Bunkis' show earlier that made a good point I hadn't considered before with respect to signing Vlad long-term. He said that it is guys that are superior athletes that tend to regress the fastest when they get into their 30s as they lose some of their athleticism (ehem, Springer). Conversely, the...husky lads that rely on traits other than athleticism from day 1 tend to maintain their performance longer.

I don't know if there's empirical evidence to back this, but it does seem logical to me.
It does make logical sense, yeah. Even a guy like Miggy was an elite hitter until he completely collapsed at 34. On a timeline like that, they would get 8 dominant seasons out of Vlad. That seems well worth a few garbage seasons at the end of the deal.
 
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I don’t understand why they are even risking losing Vladdy for nothing. It’s beyond me. If you let him go to free agency, you will have to pay him a number that you are even more uncomfortable with if you wanna keep him. I just don’t get this. It’s such a no brainer to just extend him, it’s been a no brainer for years now. If you’re not building around him (and Bo) then who are you building around?
 
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Frank Thomas, David Ortiz compared to Batista and Donaldson? I don't know lol. Just off the top of my head.

I don't know if Joey Bats and JD were great atheletes tbh. I was thinking more along the lines of Vernon Wells/Kevin Pillar/Springer, all of whom fell apart by 32/33. Can even add Kiermaier to the list.

The guy used Bartolo Colon as an example - zero athleticism but always relied on sequencing and accuracy so age didn't hit him that hard.
 
I don’t understand why they are even risking losing Vladdy for nothing. It’s beyond me. If you let him go to free agency, you will have to pay him a number that you are even more uncomfortable with if you wanna keep him. I just don’t get this. It’s such a no brainer to just extend him, it’s been a no brainer for years now. If you’re not building around him (and Bo) then who are you building around?

I dont think they will. Ed Rogers wants to make an impact and i suspect they sign Vlad and maybe even Bo.

But in the off chance they dont, he will be traded. He wont walk for nothing.
 
There's reason to be on the rotation.

Gausman won't be that bad again. He missed all of spring training and didn't really look right until after the all-star break. Berrios was about as good as expected. Bassitt was only a bit below his usual expectations. Francis was a pleasant surprise. Scherzer should be fine as a 5th starter.

The rotation is the least of this team's concerns.
Yeah, he’s talking about the volume of prospects in his top 15 being starter heavy.
Tiedemann maybe being tho only one seen with ace/top two stuff, but lots of guys who look to be major league starters.
 
It does make logical sense, yeah. Even a guy like Miggy was an elite hitter until he completely collapsed at 34. On a timeline like that, they would get 8 dominant seasons out of Vlad. That seems well worth a few garbage seasons at the end of the deal.

Yeah, conversely and using the same logic, a guy like Bo may fall off real quick once he hits 30. And a guy like Alonso should fall off slower than a guy like Bregman.
 
I dont think they will. Ed Rogers wants to make an impact and i suspect they sign Vlad and maybe even Bo.

But in the off chance they dont, he will be traded. He wont walk for nothing.

But to me, they are obviously risking losing him for nothing. They plan to compete this year. If they are in a playoff spot, or close, they are not going to deal him.
 
But to me, they are obviously risking losing him for nothing. They plan to compete this year. If they are in a playoff spot, or close, they are not going to deal him.

Hence why i think they will sign him prior to the season. Vladdy wants this just as bad as the Jays do in my opinion. Vladdy could have a big year and wished to be wined and dined by all suitors which could get him $500-600M. But he could also get hurt or have another average year and suddenly the Jays offer near or at $400M is significantly less. There is a middle ground here and i suspect the Jays to sign him at $400-450M.

Personally i wouldnt touch that deal and i would have dealt him last deadline or even now if there is a mega offer. But this is a legacy play for Ed Rogers. He will make it happen and i suspect there could be more spending happening in the near future to keep this window open which may include signing Bo as well.
 
I've been watching the Jays for 35 years and can't name a single player that ONLY played for Toronto (that was a significant contributor)
 
I've been watching the Jays for 35 years and can't name a single player that ONLY played for Toronto (that was a significant contributor)


Vlad is the highest bWAR player in Jays history to have played for just the Jays.
1. Vlad: 21.5 bWAR (11th among all Jays batters, if he puts up 5 WAR this season he will move ahead of Moseby for 6th. Only Bautista, Fernandez, Delgado, Barfield and Wells are higher)
2. Bichette: 17.5
3. Kirk: 9.0
4. Jansen: 8.7 (but that will end this season)

Players with the career over:
1. Devon Travis: 5.8
2. Garth Iorg: 3.5
3. Dalton Pompey: 0.5

Highest pitcher was:
1. Luis Leal: 10.6
2. Romero; 10.1 (he did sign a minor league deal with the Giants but never pitched for them)
3. Romano: 7.7 (that will end this season)
4. Manoah: 7.3
 
I've been watching the Jays for 35 years and can't name a single player that ONLY played for Toronto (that was a significant contributor)
That's not even a Toronto thing. Other than hockey, because the hard cap makes it harder for big names to move around, there are very few star players from any NA pro sports league that stayed in one city for the length of their career over the past 25 years. Kobe, Dirk, Tim Duncan in the NBA. Aikman, Big Ben in the NFL. Jeter, Chipper Jones, Mariano Rivera, and a few others in MLB but there aren't many. Players go where the money is.
 
Ramon Laurano just got $4M from the O's. Straw is owed $5.4M and $6.4M from the Jays.

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Similar WAR to Straw. Laureano has a much better bat. But i wonder if you retain on Straw, you can get something for Straw eventually. I put KK there because he got $19.5M from the Jays and they were able to move him. a defense first CF in Straw who is owed $5.4M and $6.4M might be of interest to someone later this season.
 

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