2024-25 NHLPA Player Poll

[JKG33]

The players know best, much more accurate than the talking heads on TV and spreadsheet jockeys on X

 

[LOFIN]

Also Vegas getting the fifth most votes for "best ice" is amusing to me.

Is it though? Modern arena with good equipment, and the ability to actually tend to the ice there constantly instead of being f***ed over by a basketball court probably helps.

 

[Draiskull]

No love for Draisaitl but thats fine. Good to see Crosby is still getting the love from his peers. Hard not to root for him. Hopefully McDavid is getting similar praises in a decade.

 

[JKG33]

Is it though? Modern arena with good equipment, and the ability to actually tend to the ice there constantly instead of being f***ed over by a basketball court probably helps.

I think no NBA team makes a huge difference. And Foley seems to spare no expense similar to the O6 and other huge market teams

 

[landy]

For sure I guess I shouldn't have brought it up, pointless argument, I didn't realize your were an AVS guy my bad. I was just talking for the Norris cause you originally stated Makar dominated when it was actually very close (maybe not in pa votes), even with Quinn's injuries they're basically the same PPG and he's been noticably off. 1.15 vs 1.13 for Makar. I'm a Jets fan btw I've just seen him play a lot since I live in van

Also Makar has Nate.

All good. I hate the makar/Hughes argument. Points wise, Hughes is amazing, but IMO closer to a 2024 Bouchard playoffs player than a Lidstrom complete dman since Hughes plays little defense and no PK, but I respect that the Norris is heavily weighed towards offense.

Then the actual voting process for the Hart and Norris sometimes makes no sense to us mortals, so I reference the actual voters (the fraction that do their quarterly voting) for insight into their minds.

I love Morrisey btw. Super stud.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

I think no NBA team makes a huge difference. And Foley seems to spare no expense similar to the O6 and other huge market teams

Agreed. Having to put down NBA floors over the ice really makes the ice shit.

 

[landy]

Yeah that stuck out to me. Hellebyuck is unquestionably the best goalie this year. Most wins, best GAA, best SV%, best GSAA. Vasilevski was close though.

I tried to dissect stats a bit further to see why they voted this way but didnt find much. Only thing I can think of is they objectively respect the Jets d core or system more?

 

[avsfan9]

I don't think kuch getting playmaker over mcdavid is a big shocker at all, he's ridiculous. Also if Quinn Hughes didnt get injured before 4 nations he was trending to win the Norris again. Hughes bros aren't very durable though unfortunately.

It has nothing to do with the Norris or missing time. Two years in a row the players voted Cale as the best d man and by a large margin. End of story. Hard for some people to accept

 

[HanSolo]

I tried to dissect stats a bit further to see why they voted this way but didnt find much. Only thing I can think of is they objectively respect the Jets d core or system more?

Or it's reputation votes for Shesterkin and Vasi. I mean I don't think there's much issue choosing Vasi if you can argue Winnipeg's defense is superior to Tampa's but I'm not really sure you can. Without doing a deep dive, Hellebyuck's GSAA is higher and that accounts for total shots against, quality of chances against, etc. Relative to the other goalies in the league, Hellebyuck saved more goals than what you'd ordinarily expect.

 

[Dr John Carlson]

I tried to dissect stats a bit further to see why they voted this way but didnt find much. Only thing I can think of is they objectively respect the Jets d core or system more?

Or the players don't give as much credence to goaltending stats than the rest of us do.

 

[Muffin]

I said before his injury just before 4 nations. He was ahead of Makar in points or tied but with 10 less games played. Then he was out for quite awhile and hasnt been the same unfortunately. Lots of injuries this season but that's the way she goes.

Except Makar ended the season with a higher point per game than Hughes? He would've ended the season with less points than Makar even had he been healthy. You act like the points per game to start the year is going to carry through, usually players slow down their pace deeper into the season they get.

Also Makar with 30 goals, Hughes has never even hit 20 in his life.

 

[DJJones]

3-2-1 and the jail break rule would be awesome imo.

 

[Dirtyclapper]

Except Makar ended the season with a higher point per game than Hughes? He would've ended the season with less points than Makar even had he been healthy. You act like the points per game to start the year is going to carry through, usually players slow down their pace deeper into the season they get.

Also Makar with 30 goals, Hughes has never even hit 20 in his life.

Like I stated hughes PPG was higher at the time of his injury, but then after coming back he slowed down, he's not as durable. No need to get so defensive we already hashed this out if you took the time to read the thread

 

[Duke74]

It's interesting that the players look at Draisaitl as a side kick.

I wouldn't jump to this conclusion.

 

[FerrisRox]

Also a decent chunk of players voted they'd like to see the 3-2-1 point system adopted.

What was wrong with the system they used for several decades where you get 2 points if you win, and zero points if you lose.

Why should any team get a point for losing in extra time?

 

[KrisLetAngry]

You can really see the love Players give to McKInnon.

 

[landy]

I wouldn't jump to this conclusion.

But 663 NHL players did...this season...while Draisaitl has been "outperforming" McDavid.

 

[Duke74]

But 663 NHL players did...this season...while Draisaitl has been "outperforming" McDavid.

The poll is based largely on recent history as well as present day - hence all of the Crosby love.

 

[Realgud]

Lol do they add a "best fashion" vote just so they can get Toronto players in? Embarassing.

 

[JoVel]

Lol do they add a "best fashion" vote just so they can get Toronto players in? Embarassing.

They add it because they just feel like having some fun. Don't be so uptight.

 

[anj]

For sure I guess I shouldn't have brought it up, pointless argument, I didn't realize your were an AVS guy my bad. I was just talking for the Norris cause you originally stated Makar dominated when it was actually very close (maybe not in pa votes), even with Quinn's injuries they're basically the same PPG and he's been noticably off. 1.15 vs 1.13 for Makar. I'm a Jets fan btw I've just seen him play a lot since I live in van

Also Makar has Nate.

110 minutes, 2:08/game on the PK for Cale. Second on the team (per game, no min gp filter).
10 minutes, 0:09/game on the PK for Hughes. That's 10th for the Canucks (per game, min 15 gp.)

Their TOI/pg is virtually identical.

Besides that this is a 2 minute per game "offensive black hole" for Cale which has an underlying effect on PPG, what it also shows is that only one of these players is an all-situation player.

 

[Realgud]

They add it because they just feel like having some fun. Don't be so uptight.

They should add a "Who's the best at Fortnite" category for Laine and Walman

 

[Dirtyclapper]

110 minutes, 2:08/game on the PK for Cale. Second on the team (per game, no min gp filter).
10 minutes, 0:09/game on the PK for Hughes. That's 10th for the Canucks (per game, min 15 gp.)

Their TOI/pg is virtually identical.

Besides that this is a 2 minute per game "offensive black hole" for Cale which has an underlying effect on PPG, what it also shows is that only one of these players is an all-situation player.

Offensive black hole you say

 

[Blueline Bomber]

PP ending with a shorty is dumb tbh. The only PP-related rule that should be changed is a PP happening regardless if a goal is scored on a delayed penalty. There's no good reason to cancel it out.

Nah, another thing that should be added is if the game time runs out with one team on the PP, the game doesn't officially end until that PP expires. No more taking penalties in the dying seconds just because you only have to kill off 20 seconds of a PP

 

[landy]

The poll is based largely on recent history as well as present day - hence all of the Crosby love.

Still neither had Draisaitl. Hes a good playmaker though, but the league knows who is the MVP in EDM.