Toggle sidebar

2024-25 MLB off-season news and notes discussion thread

The dumbass who left Ichiro off of his HOF ballot should be revealed to the public, publicly shamed and humiliated, literally tarred and feathered, blacklisted from baseball, and be forced to repent for the rest of his natural life.

Speaking as a Cardinals fan and a fan of baseball, there is no reason why Mariano Rivera should've gotten a unanimous vote while Ichiro and Griffey Jr. didn't.
 
  • Like
Reactions: TheTotalPackage, SnS and eojsmada
Memento said:
The dumbass who left Ichiro off of his HOF ballot should be revealed to the public, publicly shamed and humiliated, literally tarred and feathered, blacklisted from baseball, and be forced to repent for the rest of his natural life.

Speaking as a Cardinals fan and a fan of baseball, there is no reason why Mariano Rivera should've gotten a unanimous vote while Ichiro and Griffey Jr. didn't.
Click to expand...
It doesn't actually matter or affect anything, and anyone who goes into a group of 100 or more people and expects unanimity is the one who has erred.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Voight
Cas said:
It doesn't actually matter or affect anything, and anyone who goes into a group of 100 or more people and expects unanimity is the one who has erred.
Click to expand...

Because that same dumbass voted for Mariano Rivera unanimously, along with 100+ people. You can't tell me that a f***ing reliever can get a unanimous vote while Griffey Jr. and Ichiro don't. It was one idiot with both of them, and both of them should've gotten in unanimously.

What galls me even more is that the guy who did it will remain anonymous. Whomever it is doesn't have the courage to justify their insanity, and if they did, I'd respect him/her a lot more than I do now.
 
  • Like
Reactions: TheTotalPackage
Memento said:
Because that same dumbass voted for Mariano Rivera unanimously, along with 100+ people. You can't tell me that a f***ing reliever can get a unanimous vote while Griffey Jr. and Ichiro don't. It was one idiot with both of them, and both of them should've gotten in unanimously.
Click to expand...
What does it matter?
 
Cas said:
What does it matter?
Click to expand...

It's a f***ing reliever over two very iconic players who had absolutely no reason not to be unanimously admitted into the HOF. I don't care if you're the greatest reliever in the game of baseball, like Rivera was; if you're nominated as the only unanimous candidate ever and Griffey Jr. and Ichiro aren't, something is very, very skewed about the writers choosing who gets in.

I still think it's horseshit that Edmonds fell off the ballot on his first year and that Manny, Clemens, Bonds, and A-Rod - known cheaters - were allowed to remain on. Hell, if you're going to let cheats have even a chance to get into the Hall, you might as well revoke Shoeless Joe Jackson's ban as well because he likely didn't gamble and still is banned more than a century after he last played on the bad faith ruling of a commissioner who was honestly a terrible person himself.

What I'm trying to say? This is bullshit that Ichiro didn't get that one vote to be unanimous, and everyone who has even slightly heard of baseball knows it.
 
Memento said:
Because that same dumbass voted for Mariano Rivera unanimously, along with 100+ people. You can't tell me that a f***ing reliever can get a unanimous vote while Griffey Jr. and Ichiro don't. It was one idiot with both of them, and both of them should've gotten in unanimously.

What galls me even more is that the guy who did it will remain anonymous. Whomever it is doesn't have the courage to justify their insanity, and if they did, I'd respect him/her a lot more than I do now.
Click to expand...
Randy Johnson, Pedro, Greg Maddux, Cal Ripken, Johnny Bench, Mike Smidt... I mean the list goes on and on of slam dunk elite best of the best at their position who didn't get 100%. It's so crazy.

Like I guess if you want to say that Mo was unanimously the best RP ever so he deserves 100% while at other positions you could get into a Willie Mays vs. Hank Aaron debate... sure I understand it... but that's not what the HOF ballot is for. It's about who is deserving to be inducted. Just vote yes or no based on if they should be in and that's it.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Memento
AtlantaWhaler said:
Aren't all three on one-year deals? The Reds, Orioles, and Pirates are not known for big-time deals.
Click to expand...
All these players will be locked up to franchise contracts. At least Gunnar and Skenes will. Elly I would say is not quite in the same class as these guys and I don't really know what the Reds have a plan for so maybe that's the one who could get traded but these guys are under team control for a long time. They aren't going anywhere anytime soon.
 
GIN ANTONIC said:
All these players will be locked up to franchise contracts. At least Gunnar and Skenes will. Elly I would say is not quite in the same class as these guys and I don't really know what the Reds have a plan for so maybe that's the one who could get traded but these guys are under team control for a long time. They aren't going anywhere anytime soon.
Click to expand...
How long are they under team control? Some teams will be "sharks circling" waiting for their FA.

Also, all three teams will have a lot more to prove for me to say "All these players will be locked up to franchise contracts". There are a few exceptions, but for the most part, these teams (especially the Pirates) aren't really in the business of locking up mega-deal players.
 
AtlantaWhaler said:
How long are they under team control? Some teams will be "sharks circling" waiting for their FA.

Also, all three teams will have a lot more to prove for me to say "All these players will be locked up to franchise contracts". There are a few exceptions, but for the most part, these teams (especially the Pirates) aren't really in the business of locking up mega-deal players.
Click to expand...
I think it's 6 years of team control so Skenes has a long way to go. Gunnar and Elly still like 3-4 years I think. Them becoming free agents isn't really something that would be on the radar for a while.
 
  • Like
Reactions: AtlantaWhaler
GIN ANTONIC said:
I think it's 6 years of team control so Skenes has a long way to go. Gunnar and Elly still like 3-4 years I think. Them becoming free agents isn't really something that would be on the radar for a while.
Click to expand...
MLB players are not eligible for free agency until after six years of major league service time (which can take as long as nine calendar years).

Skenes will not be eligible for free agency until after 2030.
 
  • Like
Reactions: GIN ANTONIC
IMG_5037.jpg
 
  • Haha
Reactions: AtlantaWhaler and Terry Yake
GIN ANTONIC said:
All these players will be locked up to franchise contracts. At least Gunnar and Skenes will. Elly I would say is not quite in the same class as these guys and I don't really know what the Reds have a plan for so maybe that's the one who could get traded but these guys are under team control for a long time. They aren't going anywhere anytime soon.
Click to expand...

Is Nutting going to pay the mega millions its gonna coast to re-sign Skenes? Unless he does his best Matt Harvey impression, dude is gonna command hundreds of millions on a. long term deal.

Yea, he doesn't have much leverage right now, but he can just stick to one year deals until he approaches free agency and tells them to pay or hes gone.
 
Voight said:
Is Nutting going to pay the mega millions its gonna coast to re-sign Skenes? Unless he does his best Matt Harvey impression, dude is gonna command hundreds of millions on a. long term deal.

Yea, he doesn't have much leverage right now, but he can just stick to one year deals until he approaches free agency and tells them to pay or hes gone.
Click to expand...
Sure… but I was responding to a post that said they all wouldn’t be on their respective teams by the time MLB 26 comes out. Skenes is under team control for a long time. He can get his 1 year deals and make money along the way if Nutting doesn’t want to pay up but he’s not getting traded by the Pirates anytime soon.

And I would say it’s in Nuttings best interest to sign Skene to a mega deal eventually and then trade him for a boatload of assets. No reason to do that now. They still have to spend some money.
 
Nutting ain't paying market value to anyone and a healthy Skenes could well set the market on a free agency deal.

No sane Pirates fan has any expectation that Skenes is a Pirate at the end of the 2030 season. Let us enjoy him while he's stuck with us at least. Trading him seems highly unlikely in the next few years, if only because of how much money the franchise likely makes off of him compared to what he'll be making. Those later arbitration seasons, though, we can already see him being traded for a package containing whoever the contemporary versions of Bobby Hill and Andy LaRoche wind up being.


Apropos of nothing...this humorously means there's been more Pirates on the cover of MLB: The Show than Penguins on the cover of the NHL series.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Voight
You must log in or register to reply here.

Latest posts

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad

Top Bottom