Laval Rocket: 2024-25 Laval Rocket Thread

[Whitesnake]

Time to move on from Mailloux?

 

[WeThreeKings]

Time to move on from Mailloux?

Why? He was always a project and can play in the AHL again next year.

 

[Ezpz]

Why? He was always a project and can play in the AHL again next year.

From my perspective at least you trade him before his value craters ala Beaulieu/Tinordi.

At the same time I think his pre-drafte situation already cratered it so we may as well give him unlimited time to develop.

 

[WeThreeKings]

From my perspective at least you trade him before his value craters ala Beaulieu/Tinordi.

At the same time I think his pre-drafte situation already cratered it so we may as well give him unlimited time to develop.

I don't see the point unless he's being used as a main piece to get an established star level player.

We can afford to keep developing him considering the rarity of the package and if he hits, that's not someone you want to have let out the door unless, as I mentioned, it was part of the deal to get someone really good and already really good in the NHL.

Not interested in a Pouliot for Latendresse deal here.

 

[schwang26]

Time to move on from Mailloux?

Move on from a 21 year old D man? What???

 

[Whitesnake]

Move on from a 21 year old D man? What???

Do you think I'm suggesting to send him packing for Corey Perry? His play hasn't evolved defensively. And I'm questioning before it's too late while his value might still be good if it's time to move on.

I wouldn't move on from Trudeau. Do you know why? Because Trudeau has no value. What do we envision to be the top 6 of the future. Do Mailloux really fit in? If not, why can't be used alone or most definately in a package to acquire something really interesting?

Why? He was always a project and can play in the AHL again next year.

Because it's possible that the value could be higher to what he bring to use or the need we have for him.

 

[schwang26]

Do you think I'm suggesting to send him packing for Corey Perry? His play hasn't evolved defensively. And I'm questioning before it's too late while his value might still be good if it's time to move on.

I wouldn't move on from Trudeau. Do you know why? Because Trudeau has no value. What do we envision to be the top 6 of the future. Do Mailloux really fit in? If not, why can't be used alone or most definately in a package to acquire something really interesting?


Because it's possible that the value could be higher to what he bring to use or the need we have for him.

Still way too early to consider it. It could easily blow up in their faces and the return probably wouldn’t be enough at this point to take the chance. And honestly, I think his D has improved somewhat. I think they’ve told him to focus on his own end which is why his offence has sputtered. Still work to do of course.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Do you think I'm suggesting to send him packing for Corey Perry? His play hasn't evolved defensively. And I'm questioning before it's too late while his value might still be good if it's time to move on.

I wouldn't move on from Trudeau. Do you know why? Because Trudeau has no value. What do we envision to be the top 6 of the future. Do Mailloux really fit in? If not, why can't be used alone or most definately in a package to acquire something really interesting?


Because it's possible that the value could be higher to what he bring to use or the need we have for him.

Yeah people said that about Hutson, too.

We are not in any situation where we need to 'sell high' on anyone when we have developmental runway left.

 

[schwang26]

Do you think I'm suggesting to send him packing for Corey Perry? His play hasn't evolved defensively. And I'm questioning before it's too late while his value might still be good if it's time to move on.

I wouldn't move on from Trudeau. Do you know why? Because Trudeau has no value. What do we envision to be the top 6 of the future. Do Mailloux really fit in? If not, why can't be used alone or most definately in a package to acquire something really interesting?


Because it's possible that the value could be higher to what he bring to use or the need we have for him.

Google Pascal Vincent’s comments on Mailloux. He explains what they’re working on and why he’s not on the top pp unit.

 

[Don D]

Habs got tired of waiting for former first rounder Ron Hainsey (in 2005) to round out his game. Mailloux, of similar built, should not be traded yet, unless a first rounder is offered. He has time to show what he can do.

 

[Whitesnake]

Yeah people said that about Hutson, too.

We are not in any situation where we need to 'sell high' on anyone when we have developmental runway left.

Well people who were saying that about Hutson were wrong. It doesn't mean that we can't be right with Mailloux? Was Sakic wrong about Newhook? Was Sakic wrong about Barron?

 

[BaseballCoach]

Well people who were saying that about Hutson were wrong. It doesn't mean that we can't be right with Mailloux? Was Sakic wrong about Newhook? Was Sakic wrong about Barron?

Newhook's value exceeds the value of the picks we spent to get him.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Well people who were saying that about Hutson were wrong. It doesn't mean that we can't be right with Mailloux? Was Sakic wrong about Newhook? Was Sakic wrong about Barron?

In both those cases he was trading youth he didn't have the time to wait around for to get players to help him win the cup now. We are not where the Avalanche are when they were doing that.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

From my perspective at least you trade him before his value craters ala Beaulieu/Tinordi.

At the same time I think his pre-drafte situation already cratered it so we may as well give him unlimited time to develop.

The value of those 2 cratered because of Bergevin's ineptness.

He had those two along with Pateryn rotating in the NHL and if they made the slightest mistake they were benched and taken out of the lineup for the next game.

Mailloux is in the AHL playing and focusing on his defensive play and when I remember to watch the game you don't really notice him which is a good and bad thing. It's bad because you don't notice him offensively and that's his bread and butter, or at least up until this point.

It's good because he's trying to paly better defensively and you're not noticing him getting beat with easy by scrubs even by AHL standards.

 

[schwang26]

Hopefully there won’t be a big let down against Utica this weekend. Those should be easy points.

 

[Whitesnake]

In both those cases he was trading youth he didn't have the time to wait around for to get players to help him win the cup now. We are not where the Avalanche are when they were doing that.

But in no way am I advocating for trading him because we have time or no time. I'm advocating for trading him because I'm not a big believer in his game while I think other GM's still could be. And that because of it, we can receive some nice value....It could very well be 21 year old for 21 year old. Or in a bigger package.

 

[WeThreeKings]

But in no way am I advocating for trading him because we have time or no time. I'm advocating for trading him because I'm not a big believer in his game while I think other GM's still could be. And that because of it, we can receive some nice value....It could very well be 21 year old for 21 year old. Or in a bigger package.

As a piece in a bigger trade, of course, but there's very few prospects we have that I wouldn't have the same caveat for.

We have time to develop him and his skill-set is still rare, so I don't see any rush to just find a trade to do it. But say Nemec for Mailloux and a plus could be had? I think that's certainly something you'd look at.

I'm just not 'shopping' him.

 

[Whitesnake]

Newhook's value exceeds the value of the picks we spent to get him.

Which Newhook? The Newhook then? Or the Newhook now? Cause today's he's a 4th liner. While it's not the norm, we did get Hutson at 62. Not sure how people can diss 2nd rounders while LOVING at the same time when we saw that we have 4 picks in the first top 50. Are 2nd rounders important or not?

A 1st and a 2nd as high it could be is much higher than a 4th line player....

 

[BaseballCoach]

Which Newhook? The Newhook then? Or the Newhook now? Cause today's he's a 4th liner. While it's not the norm, we did get Hutson at 62. Not sure how people can diss 2nd rounders while LOVING at the same time when we saw that we have 4 picks in the first top 50. Are 2nd rounders important or not?

A 1st and a 2nd as high it could be is much higher than a 4th line player....

Newhook is not a 4th line level player. Have you listened to MSL talk about him?

 

[OneSharpMarble]

Which Newhook? The Newhook then? Or the Newhook now? Cause today's he's a 4th liner. While it's not the norm, we did get Hutson at 62. Not sure how people can diss 2nd rounders while LOVING at the same time when we saw that we have 4 picks in the first top 50. Are 2nd rounders important or not?

A 1st and a 2nd as high it could be is much higher than a 4th line player....

Newhook is 23 years old, he's far from a 4th line player. He can play anywhere in the top 6 and fit in just fine. Do you love draft picks that much?

 

[HabsAddict]

Wilkes-Berry is a fast team and gave our defense fits.

We are NOT a disciplined team and love our retaliation and minor penalties.

Mailman...Stupid. Undisciplined.

Vincent...Stupid.

Mailman...for some reason he wanted to decapitate a WB player and gets a penalty. Fine. Two minutes for roughing which is really two minutes for being a hot head. He comes out of the box into a scramble behind our net and...cross checks a WB player. Back in the box he goes. 4 minutes for extra stupid. Then on the 3rd WB goal, he jumps up to stop a puck off the glass, gets behind him and in the net. It's not the brightest move but it happens.

So far, it's a main course of stupid with a side of stupid.

Vincent...since the memories of his momma pulling down his pants and giving him a spanking are still rattling in his mind, he decides he will punish Mailman by not putting him on 5 minutes of power play, including a 5 on 3. Previous to this Mailman hits the post twice and has the hardest shot in Laval and our most offensive defenseman, but Vincent The Punisher punches his own nose to teach Mailman a lesson. BRILLIANT COACHING. Vincent and Rotenberg should spawn and bring forth Stalin V2.

Right now, Mailman is a mess. All the offensive tools are there but he's undisciplined and prone to brain farts. A shot of the bench showed Mailman in a depressed body language.

Vincent reminds me of Julien and MTHead. Instead of teachable moments, he let's his inner MTHead take over and resort to punishment. He's the boss and you better believe you're going to get punished for your failures. He seems to forget that it's not the wins that count, but the NHLers he develops.

I'm not sold on who is developing our prospects...not even a little bit.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Wilkes-Berry is a fast team and gave our defense fits.

We are NOT a disciplined team and love our retaliation and minor penalties.

Mailman...Stupid. Undisciplined.

Vincent...Stupid.

Mailman...for some reason he wanted to decapitate a WB player and gets a penalty. Fine. Two minutes for roughing which is really two minutes for being a hot head. He comes out of the box into a scramble behind our net and...cross checks a WB player. Back in the box he goes. 4 minutes for extra stupid. Then on the 3rd WB goal, he jumps up to stop a puck off the glass, gets behind him and in the net. It's not the brightest move but it happens.

So far, it's a main course of stupid with a side of stupid.

Vincent...since the memories of his momma pulling down his pants and giving him a spanking are still rattling in his mind, he decides he will punish Mailman by not putting him on 5 minutes of power play, including a 5 on 3. Previous to this Mailman hits the post twice and has the hardest shot in Laval and our most offensive defenseman, but Vincent The Punisher punches his own nose to teach Mailman a lesson. BRILLIANT COACHING. Vincent and Rotenberg should spawn and bring forth Stalin V2.

Right now, Mailman is a mess. All the offensive tools are there but he's undisciplined and prone to brain farts. A shot of the bench showed Mailman in a depressed body language.

Vincent reminds me of Julien and MTHead. Instead of teachable moments, he let's his inner MTHead take over and resort to punishment. He's the boss and you better believe you're going to get punished for your failures. He seems to forget that it's not the wins that count, but the NHLers he develops.

I'm not sold on who is developing our prospects...not even a little bit.

Vincent is just the same type of Q coach we've had under a different name.

 

[schwang26]

Vincent is just the same type of Q coach we've had under a different name.

Are you seriously complaining about the coach who has them in like 3rd or 4th in the league?

Also, they’re undisciplined because they’re one of the youngest teams. Why do you think the Habs take so many penalties?

 

[WeThreeKings]

Are you seriously complaining about the coach who has them in like 3rd or 4th in the league?

Also, they’re undisciplined because they’re one of the youngest teams. Why do you think the Habs take so many penalties?

They started out hot and have been very average since then.

Vincent doesn't impress me one iota.

 

[schwang26]

They started out hot and have been very average since then.

Vincent doesn't impress me one iota.

The first 10 games or so were against some really bad teams. Given that they’ve held onto a top 5 spot all year, they’re better than average. I think he’s done a fantastic job coaching one of the youngest teams in the league.