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eartotheground said:
i keep forgetting that the line between smart and dumb is the same as perfection and incompetency
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I would argue signing Suter and Dumba are prime examples of incompetency. They were bad moves from the moment the pen touched paper, everyone knew they were, except the guy that did it.

There's plenty of Nill moves that we could argue were also dumb moves, most of which would have a defendable justification for being made when he did it.

Suter and Dumba are just 100% undefendable moves, I don't care how big of a Nill homer someone is, there is 0 justification for such horrendous moves
 
M88K said:
I would argue signing Suter and Dumba are prime examples of incompetency. They were bad moves from the moment the pen touched paper, everyone knew they were, except the guy that did it.

There's plenty of Nill moves that we could argue were also dumb moves, most of which would have a defendable justification for being made when he did it.

Suter and Dumba are just 100% undefendable moves, I don't care how big of a Nill homer someone is, there is 0 justification for such horrendous moves
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Nobody likes the moves, but it just doesn’t give you the leg to stand on with this opinion that you think it does. Nill is one of the most highly regarded executives in the league, full stop. He brought in Seguin for pennies on the dollar, signed elite free agents in Radulov and Duchene, built the staff around him that scouted Miro, Oettinger, Hintz, Robertson, Wyatt, Bourque, Harley, Stankoven, and Bichsel. We’ve been a contender for years now and will be contenders for the foreseeable future.

I could go on and on about Nill’s successes with this team. most people in the league have the opinion that Jim Nill is one of the very best, if not the best executive in the league and that Dallas does everything the right way. You however are the only one that seems to think he’s dumb and a garbage GM.


My old man told me once that if you think the whole world is full of shit, it’s probably you that’s full of shit.
 
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M88K said:
I would argue signing Suter and Dumba are prime examples of incompetency. They were bad moves from the moment the pen touched paper, everyone knew they were, except the guy that did it.

There's plenty of Nill moves that we could argue were also dumb moves, most of which would have a defendable justification for being made when he did it.

Suter and Dumba are just 100% undefendable moves, I don't care how big of a Nill homer someone is, there is 0 justification for such horrendous moves
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Damn. You bitch more than I do and that's saying something. :laugh:
 
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Zapp said:
Nobody likes the moves, but it just doesn’t give you the leg to stand on with this opinion that you think it does. Nill is one of the most highly regarded executives in the league, full stop. He brought in Seguin for pennies on the dollar, signed elite free agents in Radulov and Duchene, built the staff around him that scouted Miro, Oettinger, Hintz, Robertson, Wyatt, Bourque, Harley, Stankoven, and Bichsel. We’ve been a contender for years now and will be contenders for the foreseeable future.

I could go on and on about Nill’s successes with this team. most people in the league have the opinion that Jim Nill is one of the very best, if not the best executive in the league and that Dallas does everything the right way. You however are the only one that seems to think he’s dumb and a garbage GM.


My old man told me once that if you think the whole world is full of shit, it’s probably you that’s full of shit.
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M88K's issue is even when Nill does something good he still finds a way to shit on him.

Annoying after a while.
 
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GMs are allowed to make a few bad signings. It happens. Guys don’t pan out like you think. Dumba was one of those. But I couldn’t see Nill ever moving a top 3 guy in the league. That’s like Toronto trading Matthews for Doughty or Edmonton trading Draisaitl for doughty. The utter meltdown in Toronto or Edmonton would be insane.

Nill is a good GM. Harrison is not. You never move Luka and yes I’m still pissed.
 
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They aren't moves of incompetence, they were economic moves in the NHL.

He needed a veteran for the back end to eat big minutes and not be total garbage, and Suter was there.

He needed two RHD under 7m combined without term... well he got what was available. He wasn't going to commit to the Tanev or Walker term. He couldn't afford Roy or Pesce and a second guy. Everyone else was garbage and he needed a body.

He is constrained by many things and he did what he thought was the most correct, even though it turns out that Dumba is struggling. Unfortunately that is also Nill's weakness, reclamation projects.

Now the big problem is that Boosh is possibly injured, and now he's down to Ceci and Dumba and whatever AHL tweeners he has in the organization.

Nill will have to do something insane and probably sub-optimal, and I'd probably just find a way to trade Dumba and an asset for Trouba.
 
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Magic Mittens said:
Suter wasn't terrible and his cap hit wasn't bad. Term was alittle too long, but that helped lower the cap. Problem was when his ice time was too high, he struggled. When his ice time was lowered he wasn't that bad.
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Coaches couldn't stop themselves from overplaying Suter. This was partly why Minnesota had to buy him out.

Signing Suter also might have played a role in Pavelski hanging on as long as he did.
 
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Frozen Failure said:
They aren't moves of incompetence, they were economic moves in the NHL.

He needed a veteran for the back end to eat big minutes and not be total garbage, and Suter was there.

He needed two RHD under 7m combined without term... well he got what was available. He wasn't going to commit to the Tanev or Walker term. He couldn't afford Roy or Pesce and a second guy. Everyone else was garbage and he needed a body.

He is constrained by many things and he did what he thought was the most correct, even though it turns out that Dumba is struggling. Unfortunately that is also Nill's weakness, reclamation projects.

Now the big problem is that Boosh is possibly injured, and now he's down to Ceci and Dumba and whatever AHL tweeners he has in the organization.

Nill will have to do something insane and probably sub-optimal, and I'd probably just find a way to trade Dumba and an asset for Trouba.
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Can stick Brendan Smith as the 6th D for 2 games and will be fine.

Hopefully Boosh back and running after the break, all the while Nill possibly finding another player.
 


Good listen.

Shapiro adds to what Friedman reported, but goes into more detail. He mentions that Friedman is talking about Dumba but doesn’t want to single him out, and he’s heard from guys within the organization that they are actively trying to move Dumba. He sounded confident it was going to happen to.
 
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Suter was a beast, I defended that guy here so many times. He was just doodoo a few times in the playoffs but people hated on him way too much.

He was solid and played a smart game, he was not a risk taker and once the coaches started playing him appropriate minutes he was good. The problem was the first season when he was overplayed and the coaches thought we were getting prime Suter or something.

After that first season he was everything you wanted in a bottom pair defender.
 
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Not to pile on, but I agree that constant negativity can be annoying, even if expected from at least someone on any forum.

But to the point, I like to analyze what was available at the time. I think many crapped all over the Kari signing (previous GM) but truthfully, if you said that, please tell us what else you would have done. Yes, you might think we should obtain prime Gretsky (somehow) but we all know that isn't possible. As to acquiring a Dman, hey, Suter wasn't terrible and Nill did go get Tanev last year, so he is capable of trading for quality players. Yes, he likes value, but Ceci and Granlund without giving up Bischel or Borque strikes me as a great move.
 
FirstRowUpperDeck said:
Not to pile on, but I agree that constant negativity can be annoying, even if expected from at least someone on any forum.

But to the point, I like to analyze what was available at the time. I think many crapped all over the Kari signing (previous GM) but truthfully, if you said that, please tell us what else you would have done. Yes, you might think we should obtain prime Gretsky (somehow) but we all know that isn't possible. As to acquiring a Dman, hey, Suter wasn't terrible and Nill did go get Tanev last year, so he is capable of trading for quality players. Yes, he likes value, but Ceci and Granlund without giving up Bischel or Borque strikes me as a great move.
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You gotta be like me, 50% of the time negative. I am the best, everyone should try and be like me.
 
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