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Troy McClure said:
I was curious about a few things during this Wild game.

I was reminded Benn is a UFA this summer and will turn 36 before next season.

The first year of the big Hintz contract had no trade protection, but starting this season, he had full NMC protection kick in until the contract ends in 2031.

Robertson is in season 3 of his 4 season extension. The salary was back loaded to make his qualifying offer at the end of it $9.3 million. His contract also has no trade protection, and uh... Nill might want to take advantage of this freedom before getting to the end and needing to deal with the question of paying this qualifying offer he's no longer worth.
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;);) - to the Robertson part
 
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Henderson33 said:
Hintz has been completely invisible and brings nothing to this team right now. At this point Benn is skating harder every night.

Him and Robertson need to be split up, Robertson-Stankoven & Hintz-Johnston, fill the rest of the bottom 9 around that so we can at least wake up one of them.
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Leads the team in individual high danger scoring chances, second in individual scoring chances, individual expected goals for and shots on goal. Leads the team in FO wins. (All 5v5)

Not his best season by a country mile, but far from the problem and I guess shouldn’t be invisible😇
 
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Johno said:
Leads the team in individual high danger scoring chances, second in individual scoring chances, individual expected goals for and shots on goal. Leads the team in FO wins. (All 5v5)

Not his best season by a country mile, but far from the problem and I guess shouldn’t be invisible😇
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He's also got 6 goals and 10 points, good for 5th on the team in points and T-3rd in goals.

The production will come, he's doing fine. Robo is quite a bit more worrisome but even then, still not by a ton. I agree with whoever said he needs to get back to offense only, he doesn't have the skating necessary to play a complete 200 ft game and the team defense is fine without him focusing on his own zone.

And who cares, we're winning games early. If those two go on a tear and end up with 30+ goals and 80+ points by the end of the year we won't remember this stretch at all.
 
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LT said:
He's also got 6 goals and 10 points, good for 5th on the team in points and T-3rd in goals.

The production will come, he's doing fine. Robo is quite a bit more worrisome but even then, still not by a ton. I agree with whoever said he needs to get back to offense only, he doesn't have the skating necessary to play a complete 200 ft game and the team defense is fine without him focusing on his own zone.

And who cares, we're winning games early. If those two go on a tear and end up with 30+ goals and 80+ points by the end of the year we won't remember this stretch at all.
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Exactly. The Stars have the best goals against average in the league at the moment. We can sacrifice some defense to gain offensive output from the supposed top guys.

Albeit also 10th in Goals For. So not really a problem either at the moment.
 
Benn-Bourque-Stank looked strong last night. Here’s hoping that line can take off and Wyatt will become a mainstay with the top line and those three can have consistent ice time as a trio to build chemistry.
 
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M88K said:
Why would we be adding in this scenario?
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Both guys are 25.

Tkachuk is on a five season run where his goal numbers get better every season (17, 30, 35, 37, and now on pace for 43 goals). He is also under contract until 2028 at $8.2 million. His contract bought one year of his UFA years at a good price.

Robertson is on a three season run where his goal numbers are declining season to season (46, 29, and now on pace for 19). He is under contract until 2026 at $7.75 million with a qualifying offer of $9.3 million to retain his rights for one season before he becomes a UFA.

Tkachuk is a better player today, is on a better multi-season trend, and has a better contract.
 
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I mean he’s not wrong. The Stars do nothing to recognize their past, so I see Ralph’s point.
 
Troy McClure said:
Both guys are 25.

Tkachuk is on a five season run where his goal numbers get better every season (17, 30, 35, 37, and now on pace for 43 goals). He is also under contract until 2028 at $8.2 million. His contract bought one year of his UFA years at a good price.

Robertson is on a three season run where his goal numbers are declining season to season (46, 29, and now on pace for 19). He is under contract until 2026 at $7.75 million with a qualifying offer of $9.3 million to retain his rights for one season before he becomes a UFA.

Tkachuk is a better player today, is on a better multi-season trend, and has a better contract.
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If you limit to a 20 game sample of this season, sure, while the way Robertson is playing doesn't inspire any confidence I wouldn't bet against him currently.
Problem with sample sizes is Benn is also better than Johnston, Strome better than McDavid.
If you only look at a season of data points Denis Gurianov and Brett Ritchie don't look like the complete scrubs they always have been.
20 games, hell even 1 season of brady being better doesn't undo that since Robertson has entered the league he's been better than Brady (it's not particularly close either). It also conveniently leaves out that Brady had years of "trending down" scoring too.

You're talking about a player who's played 150 more reg season games, that has 34 more goals and 46 more points.
Hell if you include Robertson PO scoring (where he's been shit out routinely)
The difference is Tkachuk leads by 20goals and 8points while still having played 103 more games.

Contracts are a meh point, it's a total of 1 additional year of control (assuming Robertson signed a qualifying offer only) and it amounts to Robertson 200k more expensive player in those overlapping contact years.
If his numbers don't rebound, He's not going to forgo a multi-year 7-8m contract for a 1yr 9.3 contract. unless he hired Klingbergs agent (unlikely)

If Nill thinks Robertson's new normal is being under 70p then by all means move on from him, but aim higher than Brady. Unless he's dumping Dumba too, that's just selling low on a much better player.


I'm willing to give Robertson the benefit of the doubt.
You don't go from the best player on the team for 3 straight years to garbage overnight, at least not at 25, without significant injuries playing a factor.
 
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M88K said:
If you limit to a 20 game sample of this season, sure, while the way Robertson is playing doesn't inspire any confidence I wouldn't bet against him currently.
Problem with sample sizes is Benn is also better than Johnston, Strome better than McDavid.
If you only look at a season of data points Denis Gurianov and Brett Ritchie don't look like the complete scrubs they always have been.
20 games, hell even 1 season of brady being better doesn't undo that since Robertson has entered the league he's been better than Brady (it's not particularly close either). It also conveniently leaves out that Brady had years of "trending down" scoring too.

You're talking about a player who's played 150 more reg season games, that has 34 more goals and 46 more points.
Hell if you include Robertson PO scoring (where he's been shit out routinely)
The difference is Tkachuk leads by 20goals and 8points while still having played 103 more games.

Contracts are a meh point, it's a total of 1 additional year of control (assuming Robertson signed a qualifying offer only) and it amounts to Robertson 200k more expensive player in those overlapping contact years.
If his numbers don't rebound, He's not going to forgo a multi-year 7-8m contract for a 1yr 9.3 contract. unless he hired Klingbergs agent (unlikely)

If Nill thinks Robertson's new normal is being under 70p then by all means move on from him, but aim higher than Brady. Unless he's dumping Dumba too, that's just selling low on a much better player.


I'm willing to give Robertson the benefit of the doubt.
You don't go from the best player on the team for 3 straight years to garbage overnight, at least not at 25, without significant injuries playing a factor.
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I didn't limit this to a 20 game sample size. I'm specifically including the 82 game sample from last season as well to see a trend. A trend pointing in the wrong direction.
 
I will say I give Nill more credit to be a dispassionate "bigger man" than most GMs who act personally offended if a negotiation doesn't go completely smoothly and then look to dump the player at the first opportunity.
 
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So he's mad that he didn't get more than McDrai got... ? /s

I mean shit dude that's how you get on the Nill Express to Dumpster Town.

Guys at the top end of the pay scale win awards, cups, plays in Canada, or be the guy who throws his career away leads on a rebuilding team.

If he wants to get paid he better be doing one of those things regardless of the money. There's a lot of back pay contracts in the NHL, some work out, some don't...
 
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I will say I give Nill more credit to be a dispassionate "bigger man" than most GMs who act personally offended if a negotiation doesn't go completely smoothly and then look to dump the player at the first opportunity.
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I don't get mad at any player trying to get max value. They have a very short window of time to make this money. I would hope no GM cares about what happens during contract negotiations once the contract is signed.
 
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My theory on Robertson is he probably reacted to his first playoff struggles and changed his game for the worse.

Wouldn't surprise me if he focused on working on being a better "playoff player" and added muscle, being more of a grinder mentality etc. Problem is he's already such a slow player that even small changes likely resulted in him losing any foot speed he had on that 100pt season.

Couple that with a foot injury and you have a player who can't get to the spaces he did a couple years ago to use his shot.
 
Azzuri said:
My theory on Robertson is he probably reacted to his first playoff struggles and changed his game for the worse.

Wouldn't surprise me if he focused on working on being a better "playoff player" and added muscle, being more of a grinder mentality etc. Problem is he's already such a slow player that even small changes likely resulted in him losing any foot speed he had on that 100pt season.

Couple that with a foot injury and you have a player who can't get to the spaces he did a couple years ago to use his shot.
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He does look slower. I wonder if the NHL skating stat site offers a way to measure this.

I'll also say he's missing having top of his game Pavelski on the other wing. Pavs wasn't ever fast himself, but his hands made him such a great guy in the corners. He did a lot of dirty work for that line.
 
Ok. I'm sitting around waiting for an appointment, so I pulled the Robertson NHL skating numbers

21-22
Top speed - 21.39 mph (bottom half of LWers)
# of 20 mph bursts - 23 (bottom half of LWers)
Skating Distance - 201.14 mi (63rd %)

22-23
Top speed - 21.63 mph (bottom half of LWers)
# of 20 mph bursts - 27 (bottom half of LWers)
Skating Distance - 231.30 mi (86th %)

23-24
Top speed - 22.06 mph (bottom half of LWers)
# of 20 mph bursts - 40 (bottom half of LWers)
Skating Distance - 236.99 mi (82nd %)

24-25
Top speed - 20.55 mph (bottom half of LWers)
# of 20 mph bursts - 1 (on pace for only 4.8!) (bottom half of LWers)
Skating Distance - 46.76 mi (on pace for 225.55) (68th %)

He's having his slowest season of those with these numbers available. He's also covering a lot less ice this season.

Maybe this is all due to his off-season foot surgery, but it doesn't help that he's been a below average skater his whole time in the league.
 
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