Speculation: 2024-25 - Free Agency/Trade Thread

[Canucks LB]

Maybe I read that differently than you. Allvin stated Pettersson is part of the core and the long term future. Then he said I guess anything is possible in relation to a trade with Pettersson. That is not a signal Pettersson is available. That is a statement every GM makes; we've all heard the line 'if Gretzky can be traded, anyone can be traded." This is a nothing sandwich and Pettersson will not be traded to the Ducks.

Seems pretty pointed honestly

 

[Hey234]

Seems pretty pointed honestly

He makes a joke about Rutherford's history for being bold and then says this:

Building around the long-term deals with Miller and Petey, having Quinn and Demko locked up, Filip Hronek and Jake DeBrusk, I mean, those are big pieces. Petey has shown up to this point that he is an extremely talented, quality player that could and should be a No. 1 centre. I believe in him. I believe that he's capable. (But) he needs to mature and understand that there are certain expectations and it does not get easier. And you need to face the music when things don't go well. Is it (a trade) possible? I guess I would say anything is possible.

I bolded the last part because it really sets the tone. It is a pretty big stretch to say that this means he's on the market after just signing that contract.

 

[Coffee]

Can we do a for fun hypothetical type deal then?

What would the trade be ?

I want to say I agree with what @Hey234 is saying, but it’s no fun if we just end it without exploring a “what if” moment and making a hypothetical trade

 

[duckpuck]

Can we do a for fun hypothetical type deal then?

What would the trade be ?

I want to say I agree with what @Hey234 is saying, but it’s no fun if we just end it without exploring a “what if” moment and making a hypothetical trade

I posted the other day that the ducks should be all over EP if he's available. He's young enough to fit the ducks core for its rebuild and having a big strong center to take pressure of Carlsson and the other young guys would be a major boon. EP's contract is probably a negative for other teams, but for the ducks it doesn't bother me at all given where the cap is going and the duck's cap space.

What are Vancouver's needs? I assume McTavish is probably the biggest piece going back unless Vancouver prefers Zegras or perhaps Terry? The question is how much more do the ducks need to add? My feeling is not too much - but I'm not sure what else would be attractive to Vancouver. Do they want a player like Vatrano or Strome (current contributors) or a prospect?

I think Carlsson, Gauthier and Sennecke would be the only untouchables. Also the ducks would need some sort of protection if this year's top pick is in the deal.

And as a little bonus, I'm willing to throw Killorn in the deal.

 

[Coffee]

I posted the other day that the ducks should be all over EP if he's available. He's young enough to fit the ducks core for its rebuild and having a big strong center to take pressure of Carlsson and the other young guys would be a major boon. EP's contract is probably a negative for other teams, but for the ducks it doesn't bother me at all given where the cap is going and the duck's cap space.

What are Vancouver's needs? I assume McTavish is probably the biggest piece going back unless Vancouver prefers Zegras or perhaps Terry? The question is how much more do the ducks need to add? My feeling is not too much - but I'm not sure what else would be attractive to Vancouver.

I think Carlsson, Gauthier and Sennecke would be the only untouchables. Also the ducks would need some sort of protection if this year's top pick is in the deal.

McTavish + not too much sounds about right to me as well.

That’s a fair analysis and I agree, also 1st round pick would not be included as it doesn’t fit needs.

Thank you for answering

 

[WhatTheDuck]

 

[NWWisconsinDuck]

I posted the other day that the ducks should be all over EP if he's available. He's young enough to fit the ducks core for its rebuild and having a big strong center to take pressure of Carlsson and the other young guys would be a major boon. EP's contract is probably a negative for other teams, but for the ducks it doesn't bother me at all given where the cap is going and the duck's cap space.

What are Vancouver's needs? I assume McTavish is probably the biggest piece going back unless Vancouver prefers Zegras or perhaps Terry? The question is how much more do the ducks need to add? My feeling is not too much - but I'm not sure what else would be attractive to Vancouver. Do they want a player like Vatrano or Strome (current contributors) or a prospect?

I think Carlsson, Gauthier and Sennecke would be the only untouchables. Also the ducks would need some sort of protection if this year's top pick is in the deal.

And as a little bonus, I'm willing to throw Killorn in the deal.

I would offer a lot of guys before I would trade Terry. Even for EP

 

[Vino]

Poolparty is huge and incredibly fast, Leason size but way better skater. He could be a heck of a defensive/forechecking beast if he had the right mindset for it, but the clock is ticking. I actually wouldn't mind a claim given that the minimum salary.

And zero hockeysense. How many NHL-coaches he already had played for? Six? And everyone had made same conclusion - this player should not play in the NHL.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

And zero hockeysense. How many NHL-coaches he already had played for? Six? And everyone had made same conclusion - this player should not play in the NHL.

I don't know about zero but it obviously lags far behind his physical tools. If there was any sort of contract commitment I'd pass, but at league min I can still squint enough to see upside. It seems like he's had more issues with consistency than anything, definitely has had stretches (20-25 games) where he produced top 6 results with great underlying metrics. In fact, there seems to be an argument from some Pens fans claiming his per 60 numbers are some of the best on the team behind Crosby, but he simply hasn't gained favor with their coach. Whatever the potential reward would be, the risk is basically zero. Just a matter of whether he can bring more to the table than some of our bottom end forwards who don't bring a lot themselves.

Seems pretty pointed honestly

Yeah it's way more open-ended than you'd expect from a GM discussing a top player

 

[Kalv]

He already can't score so he's perfect for our coaches. Wouldn't have to be coached

 

[robbieboy3686]

Penguins fans saying pjulvari “ hardest working player on team, should’ve been given an A on his chest for effort did everything asked of him s then some” sounds like a verbeek player to me and he has size and speed? Would be shocked if we don’t claim him now that mcginn is out

 

[ZegrassyKnoll]

Penguins fans saying pjulvari “ hardest working player on team, should’ve been given an A on his chest for effort did everything asked of him s then some” sounds like a verbeek player to me and he has size and speed? Would be shocked if we don’t claim him now that mcginn is out

I’m telling you guys… Teemu will unlock him

 

[ohcomeonref]

I’m telling you guys… Teemu will unlock him

Teemu also helped unleash Cronin on the Ducks.. My faith has been shaken

 

[freikugel]

Penguins fans saying pjulvari “ hardest working player on team, should’ve been given an A on his chest for effort did everything asked of him s then some” sounds like a verbeek player to me and he has size and speed? Would be shocked if we don’t claim him now that mcginn is out

We clearly have a logjam on our bottom lines with studs like Harkins and Johnston, Verbeek had to pass

 

[robbieboy3686]

We clearly have a logjam on our bottom lines with studs like Harkins and Johnston, Verbeek had to pass

I actually feel like verbeek has been cooking lately. Might be a shockingly good trade or 2 coming up

 

[LePerilsofPerreault]

I'd rather sign Marner for more $ if that option's available than trade guys for Petey.
Not sure about him being a top center you win with more than Marner being a top winger you win with.

 

[duckpuck]

I'd rather sign Marner for more $ if that option's available than trade guys for Petey.
Not sure about him being a top center you win with more than Marner being a top winger you win with.

The hope is that Carlsson is eventually the top center you win with. But you need a guy to help him develop (i.e., provide some shelter) in the short run. I think EP is currently better than the best version of McTavish, so I do that deal. Though I must admit, McTavish's last game was the best I've seen from him in a long time.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I dont really think Pettersson is the play.

 

[LePerilsofPerreault]

The hope is that Carlsson is eventually the top center you win with. But you need a guy to help him develop (i.e., provide some shelter) in the short run. I think EP is currently better than the best version of McTavish, so I do that deal. Though I must admit, McTavish's last game was the best I've seen from him in a long time.

I agree Leo will be that guy eventually, I just don’t necessarily want to part ways with talent (I’m part of the McT fan club/support group) to get talent, if you can sign more talent without losing anything.
Especially if you just straight up prefer one to the other already which is the case for me when comparing Marner and him.

I don’t mind the angle of Leo learning from a current star in his position, but I don’t think he needs to be sheltered by a star necessarily because he’s already sheltered in a shared responsibility kind of way. He can slowly rise above the middy committee of Strome, McT, and Z to take a larger and larger share of that responsibility at his own pace until we can truly call him our 1C.

I look at someone like Granlund who isn’t a superstar in San Jose who regardless of wins is helping shelter their young players and I really think we could find something like that for a few years rather commit to whatever Petey’s future holds. Like a few notches up from Strome’s production would be fine.

Petey could add an immediate scoring element that we haven’t had for a while, play decent defense, and help in the standings a little bit, although he’s struggling and won’t be a complete world changer. I don’t know where his mental or physical health truly stands, and he would be coming to Cronin’s Funhouse where offense comes to die.

If we’re looking to help Leo, I also think getting him a linemate who could carry play like Marner or whichever winger is moved to his line as a result of that would be beneficial and take some pressure off, and we’d still have McT who I believe in.

 

[duckpuck]

I agree Leo will be that guy eventually, I just don’t necessarily want to part ways with talent (I’m part of the McT fan club/support group) to get talent, if you can sign more talent without losing anything.
Especially if you just straight up prefer one to the other already which is the case for me when comparing Marner and him.

I don’t mind the angle of Leo learning from a current star in his position, but I don’t think he needs to be sheltered by a star necessarily because he’s already sheltered in a shared responsibility kind of way. He can slowly rise above the middy committee of Strome, McT, and Z to take a larger and larger share of that responsibility at his own pace until we can truly call him our 1C.

I look at someone like Granlund who isn’t a superstar in San Jose who regardless of wins is helping shelter their young players and I really think we could find something like that for a few years rather commit to whatever Petey’s future holds. Like a few notches up from Strome’s production would be fine.

Petey could add an immediate scoring element that we haven’t had for a while, play decent defense, and help in the standings a little bit, although he’s struggling and won’t be a complete world changer. I don’t know where his mental or physical health truly stands, and he would be coming to Cronin’s Funhouse where offense comes to die.

If we’re looking to help Leo, I also think getting him a linemate who could carry play like Marner or whichever winger is moved to his line as a result of that would be beneficial and take some pressure off, and we’d still have McT who I believe in.

You can't expect young guys (Z or McT) to shelter. They're still working on their own games. EP is >>>>> than Strome. Part of sheltering is winning. EP gives them a better chance of that in the short run.

I'm not a big fan of Marner. Doesn't seem like a good team guy (yes I know EP has some baggage) and his playoff performance has been poor. Marner is going to cost you more $$ than EP which is a problem when needing to sign other guys down the line. And for sure Marner is very focussed on his AAV. Don't get me wrong, I would take Marner given how bad the current roster is. But he's not my first choice. Rantanen is the guy I break the bank for. And if he's not available, I start looking for trades for Brady T or other similar type of hockey trades.

 

[LePerilsofPerreault]

You can't expect young guys (Z or McT) to shelter. They're still working on their own games. EP is >>>>> than Strome. Part of sheltering is winning. EP gives them a better chance of that in the short run.

I'm not a big fan of Marner. Doesn't seem like a good team guy (yes I know EP has some baggage) and his playoff performance has been poor. Marner is going to cost you more $$ than EP which is a problem when needing to sign other guys down the line. And for sure Marner is very focussed on his AAV. Don't get me wrong, I would take Marner given how bad the current roster is. But he's not my first choice. Rantanen is the guy I break the bank for. And if he's not available, I start looking for trades for Brady T or other similar type of hockey trades.

I don’t really disagree with you. Obviously Petey is way way way better than our centers, I just don’t personally want him over Marner, even without a trade, or other players via trade if going that route.
Giving up McT for a handful of more wins (just my estimation of what his impact would be here) from a struggling star seemingly mentally and physically isn’t it for me. And those wins propped up by him don’t directly mean any development is happening.

As far as sheltering part helping development, I’m all for sheltering young guys with established players; i was a big critic of the lack of signings.
If we were trading for a 1C that I think we could win with regardless of Leo’s development, then sure. Give up McT.
It would be ideal to have one. However I don’t think Leo has to have Petey or another 1C sheltering him to develop into one. They just need somebody good enough. Someone clearly better than Strome to add on to having Strome.

My perspective summed up is that they’re all collectively sheltered to a degree playing similar minutes, but could absolutely use a center that’s producing better than them and eating 20 minutes a night taking up that mantle like Granlund is doing for SJ. And that alternatively to trading for hot and cold Pettersson with development in mind, we could use wingers with star power on their lines instead, and that this ppg+ winger requires no trade.

edit - thought i wrote it but i'd love to get Rantanen in FA like you said

 

[Gliff]

I dont really think Pettersson is the play.

There are better fits forsure, but if they have a shot at him they should take it.

 

[DavidBL]

There are better fits forsure, but if they have a shot at him they should take it.

Honestly with all the reports about Pety coming out as needing to mature and not being good with criticism or tough love kind of a red flag for a Cronin team.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

There are better fits forsure, but if they have a shot at him they should take it.

Maybe, but if it cost 1 of mctavish or zegras not sure I’d want to do that.

I’d be looking to add a better fit.

 

[dracom]

I dont really think Pettersson is the play.

agreed. the cost would be too high. he doesn't make us a playoff team. and there's no way he meshes with Cronin's style.