Speculation: 2024-25 - Free Agency/Trade Thread

[2faded]

Power has 5G 17A, Zellweger is 4/8. Power is not going to make our forwards in our “system” suddenly score, so take the points disparity with a large block of salt.

Ok but if you adjust his points to the Ducks rate of scoring it's still 17 points, tied for 2nd on the team.

 

[ReptilianQuack]

Yeah, I wonder if there's not a bit of buyer's remorse already. 8 years at 11.6 with a full NMC ... he better be the ~100pt version of himself with that contract.

Its not just the points for contract. The eye test. Hes a soft player. Not meant for Playoffs or Leadership. Legit why Miller doesnt like him.

 

[BlueGoose27]

I live in Vancouver. I drown in the news and watch every game like I do the Ducks. We do not want Petey. Flakey and Inconsistent for his contract. Let alone giving up someone for this...
Dont. Bail. Them. Out.

Do you think they’re looking at possible trades for EP40? Or are they looking to hold onto him? I know you said “we do not want Petey” I’m just curious what’s the talk been cause all I’ve been hearing is possible JT trades…to the NYR, which I just don’t see happening for multiple reasons.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Why is Power a bust? I don't watch Buffalo.

I wouldn't consider trading McTavish for Power "giving up on him". They were in the same draft. I was hoping they would win the lottery to get Power instead of ending up with McTavish. Swapping McTavish for the guy I actually wanted in that draft is a no brainer for me.

Is the price between the two worth Zellweger? Idk but I don't really care. You are getting a potential #1 D. And it's not even really a downgrade offensively. Power would be 2nd in points (22), 3 behind Terry (25). Hell, if you combined McTavish and Zell's points (26) it's still only 4 points more than Power. Even if you adjusted Power's stats based on the ratio of Ducks GF/Buffalo's GF, Power would still be tied for 2nd in points on this team.

The Ducks are thin at forward already, but it would put an end to the McT/Z 2C battle. The D is basically set for years and now you can put all your focus on building the forward lineup.

As far as Zell being the next Makar/Hughes, he's very good but I don't see it. I don't think Zell will match Power even offensively. Definitely not defensively.

I liked Power in the 2021 draft too and wanted him if we won the lottery. It was a no-brainer whoever was picking #1. But the more I looked into Power now, the less and less I am enamored with him.

---

Power's scoring isn't great, it's greatly assisted

Power's scoring rate this year is 0.63 ppg (5g + 17a). Dahlin is at 0.85 ppg this year.

I am gonna compare Power to LaCombe since he might be the defenseman we send back to Buffalo to acquire Power.

It took seven games for LaCombe to recover from his illness to start the season, which he missed like a week or so. From game 8 on, his offense has been on fire: 19 games, 6g + 4a = 10 pts (0.53 ppg rate). That isn't too far off from Power's ppg rate for his season at 0.63 ppg. And LaCombe is doing this on a team that cannot generate offense and he is the 5th best goal scorer on the team. Power is the 9th best goal scorer on the team.

Total goals scored above LaCombe on the team = 32 goals.
Total goals scored above Power on the team = 70 goals.

It's easier to net assists for Buffalo when there's more offensive goal scoring around you from a set number of forwards.

---

Power is allergic to laying hits

Power doesn't like to hit with his 6'6 frame. He has 13 hits on the 35 games this season.

We need more hitting from our blueline. That's part of the reason we swapped veteran D from Fowler to Trouba. Trouba has 21 hits in only seven Duck games. LaCombe generates more hits than Power for both seasons and in fewer games. This is what has me questioning if I want Power with Anaheim.

---

Power doesn't tilt the ice

Power's CF%, all situations for the past two seasons is okay: 49.7% last year (48.8% DZone Start) and 50.6% this year (48.1% DZone Start). 50% CF pct is breaking even with shots while on the ice and the higher the percentage, the more shots are generated when you're on the ice. His teammate, Dahlin was 57.6% CF pct last year and 60.2% this year. Dahlin tilts the ice for the Sabers. Dahlin has been tilting the ice since he was 18 year old, with his lowest CF% in all situations for his career at 53.8%.

Power isn't the top pairing guy in Buffalo, which means weaker competition faced. Yet, why is his CF% lower than Dahlin, who his the team's top pairing d-man?

LaCombe's CF% improved vastly from 40.6% (DZ Start, all situations of 60.1%) to 49.9% (DZone Start, all situations of 47%). LaCombe is producing similarly this year to Power, especially now that he is starting less time in the DZone.

---

Power is a very good shot blocker

He had 115 blocks last year and 58 blocks so far this year, the second best on the team. LaCombe had 129 blocks last year in five fewer games than Power and 44 blocks this year in 10 fewer games than Power. They're even for shot blocking.

---

Power is pricey for what he is

Power is making $8.350 mil AAV until 2031. Power and LaCombe are similarly like d-men, though a small sample size. LaCombe is making under $1 mil AAV for this year and next. And I don't see us shelling out a long term $8.350 mil AAV to LaCombe for an extension.

The more I look into Power, the more the draft nostalgia fades away. I'd rather keep LaCombe and use the $8 mil AAV on an actual top-6 scoring forward.

 

[Hey234]

I'm not sure why the Ducks would want Power over what they have. Between Mintyukov, LaCombe, Zellweger, Helleson, Solberg, and Luneau, there should hopefully be enough viable top 4 options in addition to any vets. Seems crowded with talent. There focus should be on forwards.

 

[mightyquack]

I think I'd have a mental break if we decided to trade one of our good young defencemen for another defenceman.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

I liked Power in the 2021 draft too and wanted him if we won the lottery. It was a no-brainer whoever was picking #1. But the more I looked into Power now, the less and less I am enamored with him.

---

Power's scoring isn't great, it's greatly assisted

Power's scoring rate this year is 0.63 ppg (5g + 17a). Dahlin is at 0.85 ppg this year.

I am gonna compare Power to LaCombe since he might be the defenseman we send back to Buffalo to acquire Power.

It took seven games for LaCombe to recover from his illness to start the season, which he missed like a week or so. From game 8 on, his offense has been on fire: 19 games, 6g + 4a = 10 pts (0.53 ppg rate). That isn't too far off from Power's ppg rate for his season at 0.63 ppg. And LaCombe is doing this on a team that cannot generate offense and he is the 5th best goal scorer on the team. Power is the 9th best goal scorer on the team.

Total goals scored above LaCombe on the team = 32 goals.
Total goals scored above Power on the team = 70 goals.

It's easier to net assists for Buffalo when there's more offensive goal scoring around you from a set number of forwards.

---

Power is allergic to laying hits

Power doesn't like to hit with his 6'6 frame. He has 13 hits on the 35 games this season.

We need more hitting from our blueline. That's part of the reason we swapped veteran D from Fowler to Trouba. Trouba has 21 hits in only seven Duck games. LaCombe generates more hits than Power for both seasons and in fewer games. This is what has me questioning if I want Power with Anaheim.

---

Power doesn't tilt the ice

Power's CF%, all situations for the past two seasons is okay: 49.7% last year (48.8% DZone Start) and 50.6% this year (48.1% DZone Start). 50% CF pct is breaking even with shots while on the ice and the higher the percentage, the more shots are generated when you're on the ice. His teammate, Dahlin was 57.6% CF pct last year and 60.2% this year. Dahlin tilts the ice for the Sabers. Dahlin has been tilting the ice since he was 18 year old, with his lowest CF% in all situations for his career at 53.8%.

Power isn't the top pairing guy in Buffalo, which means weaker competition faced. Yet, why is his CF% lower than Dahlin, who his the team's top pairing d-man?

LaCombe's CF% improved vastly from 40.6% (DZ Start, all situations of 60.1%) to 49.9% (DZone Start, all situations of 47%). LaCombe is producing similarly this year to Power, especially now that he is starting less time in the DZone.

---

Power is a very good shot blocker

He had 115 blocks last year and 58 blocks so far this year, the second best on the team. LaCombe had 129 blocks last year in five fewer games than Power and 44 blocks this year in 10 fewer games than Power. They're even for shot blocking.

---

Power is pricey for what he is

Power is making $8.350 mil AAV until 2031. Power and LaCombe are similarly like d-men, though a small sample size. LaCombe is making under $1 mil AAV for this year and next. And I don't see us shelling out a long term $8.350 mil AAV to LaCombe for an extension.

The more I look into Power, the more the draft nostalgia fades away. I'd rather keep LaCombe and use the $8 mil AAV on an actual top-6 scoring forward.

Yeah the one knock on Power around draft time, still remains for me. He has all the tools but really doesn't show much of a pulse out there. He has the demeanor of a 6'5 Fowler.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

The frequent lamenting over his play this year and newly his hockey IQ is pretty annoying to read.

He hasn’t been great this year but the only forward who’s been “good” is Terry. Why is it the coach’s/linemate’s fault for them but for McTavish it’s his hockey IQ? He could very well finish 2nd on team in points this year too, would love to see that.

I think a lot of us wernt high on mctavish from draft day.

If we are to trade 1 of the young forwards for help now, mctavish is prob the worst fit/ least upside of the group

 

[robbieboy3686]

Yeah the one knock on Power around draft time, still remains for me. He has all the tools but really doesn't show much of a pulse out there. He has the demeanor of a 6'5 Fowler.

6’5 Fowler mega ultra hard pass

 

[ReptilianQuack]

Do you think they’re looking at possible trades for EP40? Or are they looking to hold onto him? I know you said “we do not want Petey” I’m just curious what’s the talk been cause all I’ve been hearing is possible JT trades…to the NYR, which I just don’t see happening for multiple reasons.

The JT rumour to NYR has been steady since last year. And NYR needs a change. Canucks moved Horvat (the captain) to make Miller happy here..
I think where there is smoke however.....
Boeser needs a home cause they are not resigning him. While at the same time, the team is a playoff team.
Do they move Petey to resign Boeser? JT is the guy teams want.

 

[robbieboy3686]

The JT rumour to NYR has been steady since last year. And NYR needs a change. Canucks moved Horvat (the captain) to make Miller happy here..
I think where there is smoke however.....
Boeser needs a home cause they are not resigning him. While at the same time, the team is a playoff team.
Do they move Petey to resign Boeser? JT is the guy teams want.

Hard pass on boeser. Yes we need scoring. But I Doubt verbeek wants another undersized winger coming in. As far as he’s concerned, we have enough vanilla as is.

 

[ReptilianQuack]

Hard pass on boeser. Yes we need scoring. But I Doubt verbeek wants another undersized winger coming in. As far as he’s concerned, we have enough vanilla as is.

I agree. I dont want Boeser either. More inconsistency with Injury prone tendencies.

Just saying, all 3 stars are potential trade candidates.
Canucks need a Dman and Dumo would fit that need imo.

 

[NWWisconsinDuck]

I’m probably in the minority here but I think Helleson has Minty expendable. It’s not that I want to deal him but I think he holds the most value to bring back scoring without significantly affecting the team now (he’s scratched 1/3 games now anyway)

*ducks*

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Hard pass on boeser. Yes we need scoring. But I Doubt verbeek wants another undersized winger coming in. As far as he’s concerned, we have enough vanilla as is.

I'm not much of a Boeser fan but undersized? He's 6'1 208 lbs....we only have three heavier forwards than that

 

[robbieboy3686]

I'm not much of a Boeser fan but undersized? He's 6'1 208 lbs....we only have three heavier forwards than that

Thought he was a lot smaller for some reason. Killorn who isn’t small is soft and 0 physical and Terry/Zegras the same. MacT for being heavy doesn’t play a power forward game at all. We truly need to do anything possible for tkachuk or ratenen

I’m probably in the minority here but I think Helleson has Minty expendable. It’s not that I want to deal him but I think he holds the most value to bring back scoring without significantly affecting the team now (he’s scratched 1/3 games now anyway)

*ducks*

I haven’t seen enough to pencil helleson in as a long term fixture. He has however, at the very least given himself trade value. I would not be moving on from minty unless Ottawa were firm that minty not being in a deal is a deal breaker for tkachuk. Classic sophomore slump from minty this season as well as probably playing hurt, he didn’t get much training camp at all because he was hurt, just a rotten year so far in the luck department from him

 

[robbieboy3686]

The JT rumour to NYR has been steady since last year. And NYR needs a change. Canucks moved Horvat (the captain) to make Miller happy here..
I think where there is smoke however.....
Boeser needs a home cause they are not resigning him. While at the same time, the team is a playoff team.
Do they move Petey to resign Boeser? JT is the guy teams want.

Jt miller played with killorn in Tampa, also believe he played with strome and Trouba in nyork? Verbeek is definitely asking them both about jt miller right? If jt miller is this hard ass dude who asks a lot ( some soft dude like Elias Pettersson might not like that) what do we know about verbeek? He’s a hard ass old school guy. Jt miller might give verbeek a hard on. Then verbeek exchanges MacT for cozens and moves Carlsson to millers wing until carlsson can improve his FO % etc

 

[mightyquack]

I’m probably in the minority here but I think Helleson has Minty expendable. It’s not that I want to deal him but I think he holds the most value to bring back scoring without significantly affecting the team now (he’s scratched 1/3 games now anyway)

*ducks*

Trading Minty to keep Helleson would be one of the worst moves in the history of the Ducks if I'm honest.

 

[Hey234]

The Athletic suggests the top 2 targets for Gibson as Carolina and Edmonton. Nothing new or crazy.

Thought it was interesting though that they, and every other professional sports writer who talks about Gibson, says his contract is insane: too long and too high. But at the same time, they say that once he's been traded, he'll be a 1A & 1B type of tandem.

Basically, they suggest that the Ducks need to retain to trade a #1 goalie for scraps. At the same time, that #1 goalie who is good enough for playoff teams is so expensive at 6 mil that it can't be justified. The amount of undervaluing the Ducks as a team and Gibson as a goalie is crazy. The cognitive dissonance is unreal.

 

[robbieboy3686]

The Athletic suggests the top 2 targets for Gibson as Carolina and Edmonton. Nothing new or crazy.

Thought it was interesting though that they, and every other professional sports writer who talks about Gibson, says his contract is insane: too long and too high. But at the same time, they say that once he's been traded, he'll be a 1A & 1B type of tandem.

Basically, they suggest that the Ducks need to retain to trade a #1 goalie for scraps. At the same time, that #1 goalie who is good enough for playoff teams is so expensive at 6 mil that it can't be justified. The amount of undervaluing the Ducks as a team and Gibson as a goalie is crazy. Th

Unless the ducks go 8-1-1 in their next 10 games. I think the Gibson saga will come to its end finally. We start to win, Gibson stays. I don’t know who or how. But I do get the sense that verbeek is cooking multiple stews atm

 

[Boo Boo]

Jt miller played with killorn in Tampa, also believe he played with strome and Trouba in nyork? Verbeek is definitely asking them both about jt miller right? If jt miller is this hard ass dude who asks a lot ( some soft dude like Elias Pettersson might not like that) what do we know about verbeek? He’s a hard ass old school guy. Jt miller might give verbeek a hard on. Then verbeek exchanges MacT for cozens and moves Carlsson to millers wing until carlsson can improve his FO % etc

Unfortunately for as intense a personality he is he is also a huge floater which I don’t think is what we’re trying to build here