Prospect Info: 2024-25 Ducks Prospects

[Hockey Duckie]

Not to sound like Dirk, but if Verbeek is building for the playoffs I understand the Gaucher pick. I still maintain that if we had Vermette instead of Chicago we win a cup that year. Now whether he ever becomes Vermette type remains to be seen, but I’m not opposed to using a late first on a shut down 3C if he can become that. Myatovic seemed like an odd pick from the get go, but I guess with both we just have to see how it goes.

You can develop a Gaucher-type pick with later draft picks or trade for lower round draft pick for a bottom-6. If you hit with a Snuggerud/Kulich, then you've vastly improved your trade capital or your scoring roster.

Gaucher and Myatovic were drafted as defensive forwards, but Myatovic hit 30 goals in his draft year, but nevermore.

It's difficult to get a good pick if you have reduced your selection pool in the first 4 rounds (no NCAA bound nor Russian prospects) and/or have a height requirement (2022 and 2023 drafts).

 

[ScarTroy]

You can develop a Gaucher-type pick with later draft picks or trade for lower round draft pick for a bottom-6. If you hit with a Snuggerud/Kulich, then you've vastly improved your trade capital or your scoring roster.

Gaucher and Myatovic were drafted as defensive forwards, but Myatovic hit 30 goals in his draft year, but nevermore.

It's difficult to get a good pick if you have reduced your selection pool in the first 4 rounds (no NCAA bound nor Russian prospects) and/or have a height requirement (2022 and 2023 drafts).

There’s still no suggesting Snuggerud or Kulich become any more of a successful NHL’er than Gaucher. Let’s not put the cart before the horse so soon. And for the record, at least to my knowledge, it’s never been said that Verbeek is avoiding NCAA prospects or Russians. You might be able to deduce that yourself because he hasn’t made those picks, but you’d still be 0% correct until it’s confirmed by Verbeek.

If he’s said it, disregard and I’ll call that silly with you, but I haven’t seen it said.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

There’s still no suggesting Snuggerud or Kulich become any more of a successful NHL’er than Gaucher. Let’s not put the cart before the horse so soon. And for the record, at least to my knowledge, it’s never been said that Verbeek is avoiding NCAA prospects or Russians. You might be able to deduce that yourself because he hasn’t made those picks, but you’d still be 0% correct until it’s confirmed by Verbeek.

If he’s said it, disregard and I’ll call that silly with you, but I haven’t seen it said.

For you, it's silly whether Verbeek does or does not confirm it. Why should anyone converse with you?

Do the leg work and convince me that Verbeek isn't avoiding NCAA bound or Russians in the first 4 rounds of the draft. It isn't as if Verbeek has had three drafts to look at.

Murray avoided drafting Russians. Murray drafted only two players out of Russian leagues in G Bobkov (Rd 3, 2009) and Galimov (Rd 5, 2020). That's a long ass stretch without drafting Russians. Surprised the hell out of me that his scouting team kept tabs on Galimov four years before the Ducks drafted him in the fifth round of the 2020 draft. They did keep their Russian scout busy, but over a decade's worth of not drafting Russians.

Guess by your standards, Murray didn't avoid drafting Russians until he tells us. And despite not making any picks in 11 years, I'd still be 0% correct until it's confirmed by Murray. How laughable it would be if you actually disagreed with it.

 

[ScarTroy]

For you, it's silly whether Verbeek does or does not confirm it. Why should anyone converse with you?

Do the leg work and convince me that Verbeek isn't avoiding NCAA bound or Russians in the first 4 rounds of the draft. It isn't as if Verbeek has had three drafts to look at.

Murray avoided drafting Russians. Murray drafted only two players out of Russian leagues in G Bobkov (Rd 3, 2009) and Galimov (Rd 5, 2020). That's a long ass stretch without drafting Russians. Surprised the hell out of me that his scouting team kept tabs on Galimov four years before the Ducks drafted him in the fifth round of the 2020 draft. They did keep their Russian scout busy, but over a decade's worth of not drafting Russians.

Guess by your standards, Murray didn't avoid drafting Russians until he tells us. And despite not making any picks in 11 years, I'd still be 0% correct until it's confirmed by Murray. How laughable it would be if you actually disagreed with it.

You just spent all that time talking about Murray when I was originally talking about Verbeek, and you have the nerve to ask why should anyone converse with me? Not to mention how completely ironic that is but that’s beside the point.

You claiming evidence based on your own assumptions as fact is silly, but par for the course.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6101032/2025/02/11/nhl-2025-prospects-rankings-top-100/

Wheelers latest ranking of NHL prospects.

Tier one consists of Demidov alone

Tier two (in order): Buium, Levshunov, Parekh, Smith, Dickinson, Catton, Leonard, Perreault, Sennecke (so 10th overall for our guy), Pellikka

Tier three: Nemec, Yakemchuk, Silayev, Lindstrom, Iginla, Mateychuk, Eiserman

Luneau is at the top of "tier six" sitting 59th overall. Solberg in the same tier at #66.

 

[Webster]

The SHL is back in action, but Färjestad started slow @ Leksand today with a 3-6 loss. Clara didn't have his best day and he was pulled after the 2nd.

But Solberg was on the top pairing with TOI 21:15, his coach obviously figured out he's pretty good after his great games for Team Norway last week. His other stats from today's game: 2 SOG, 3 hits, even rating.

Here's a fresh Solberg interview about his life in the SHL. To me it looks like he plays better on the smaller NHL size rink. He still keeps it a secret about what he's going to do next season.

This link should take you to a translated version of the story:

Solberg om SHL-overgangen: - Tenkte det skulle være tøft, og det har det vært

JORDAL (nitten.no) Stian Solberg (19) forteller over overgangen fra EHL til SHL og livet som Färjestad-spiller i hockeygale Karlstad.

www-nitten-no.translate.goog

 

[Hinterland]

Primary assist, player of the game award and 25:24 TOI (well over 5min north of everybody else on his team) for Dionicio in game 2 for NL Biel in a 4-3 home win vs ZSC Lions.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

None of these snuggurud cristall arguments mean much if gaucher or myatovic become main stays on our bottom 6 when we trend up in standings

 

[tomd]

None of these snuggurud cristall arguments mean much if gaucher or myatovic become main stays on our bottom 6 when we trend up in standings

"If" is a many splendored word...

 

[AngelDuck]

The vast majority of quality NHL bottom 6 players were pretty high point producers at the lower levels

That’s where my concern lies. I’m happy to be proven wrong.

A quality bottom 6 NHLer has to produce 30-40 points these days to be worthwhile. Below that and you’re likely a generic 4th line scrub.

Long story short: There has to be some progression offensively to get me excited even if we’ve accepted that they’re not going to be top 6 players

 

[JAHV]

The vast majority of quality NHL bottom 6 players were pretty high point producers at the lower levels

That’s where my concern lies. I’m happy to be proven wrong.

A quality bottom 6 NHLer has to produce 30-40 points these days to be worthwhile. Below that and you’re likely a generic 4th line scrub.

Long story short: There has to be some progression offensively to get me excited even if we’ve accepted that they’re not going to be top 6 players

Are you saying that a quality bottom 6 NHLer has to produce 30-40 points in the NHL to be worthwhile? Because that simply isn't true according to recent history. If you want to narrow that down to third liners, that's probably true. But very good teams employ 4th liners that only score 10 - 25 points. The Panthers last year had Cousins - Stenlund - Lomberg, each of whom was a 15-point player (Lomberg was actually only a 7-point player). Each brought something else to the table - Lomberg and Cousins as agitators and Stenlund as a quality PKer.

Vegas had Kolesar and Howden. Colorado had Helm and Jost and Cogliano.

I think it's unlikely that Gaucher can become the 3rd line center that we were hoping for when he was drafted. But I see no reason why he can't become a solid 4th line center on a successful team if his defense and forechecking is very good and if the rest of the team does the heavy offensive lifting.

 

[ScarTroy]

Sennecke has a goal in the 1st

 

[AngelDuck]

Are you saying that a quality bottom 6 NHLer has to produce 30-40 points in the NHL to be worthwhile? Because that simply isn't true according to recent history. If you want to narrow that down to third liners, that's probably true. But very good teams employ 4th liners that only score 10 - 25 points. The Panthers last year had Cousins - Stenlund - Lomberg, each of whom was a 15-point player (Lomberg was actually only a 7-point player). Each brought something else to the table - Lomberg and Cousins as agitators and Stenlund as a quality PKer.

Vegas had Kolesar and Howden. Colorado had Helm and Jost and Cogliano.

I think it's unlikely that Gaucher can become the 3rd line center that we were hoping for when he was drafted. But I see no reason why he can't become a solid 4th line center on a successful team if his defense and forechecking is very good and if the rest of the team does the heavy offensive lifting.

Not “has to” but it’s pretty unlikely to be a quality bottom 6er below 30 points. Okay you can maybe name a few…doesn’t change my point

Please refute the point that you likely need to show progression offensively at the lower levels in order to be an NHL quality bottom 6 player

 

[cheesymc]

The vast majority of quality NHL bottom 6 players were pretty high point producers at the lower levels

That’s where my concern lies. I’m happy to be proven wrong.

A quality bottom 6 NHLer has to produce 30-40 points these days to be worthwhile. Below that and you’re likely a generic 4th line scrub.

Long story short: There has to be some progression offensively to get me excited even if we’ve accepted that they’re not going to be top 6 players

At minimum, he needs to be someone like a Justin Abdelkader to not be a 1st round bust. Not sure why I thought of this old timer… maybe it’s the blonde hair.

Gaucher needs to be a 50%+ faceoff guy, hit a ton, play good defense, and pot in about 15 goals, and be super annoying against the other teams star players. That would be a good 3rd liner. But his regression this year in is concerning… producing like an 4rth liner at best in the AHL… another miss from the Q so far.

 

[cheesymc]

Holy crap… just checked Gauchers draft year and pretty much every 1st rounder picked after him is on another level compared to him, may be except Mesar. I hope he’s not our next Tracey…

 

[Ducks DVM]

Are you saying that a quality bottom 6 NHLer has to produce 30-40 points in the NHL to be worthwhile? Because that simply isn't true according to recent history. If you want to narrow that down to third liners, that's probably true. But very good teams employ 4th liners that only score 10 - 25 points. The Panthers last year had Cousins - Stenlund - Lomberg, each of whom was a 15-point player (Lomberg was actually only a 7-point player). Each brought something else to the table - Lomberg and Cousins as agitators and Stenlund as a quality PKer.

Vegas had Kolesar and Howden. Colorado had Helm and Jost and Cogliano.

I think it's unlikely that Gaucher can become the 3rd line center that we were hoping for when he was drafted. But I see no reason why he can't become a solid 4th line center on a successful team if his defense and forechecking is very good and if the rest of the team does the heavy offensive lifting.

It’s a little pedantic, but if the guy can’t score enough to be a 3rd line player at some point in his career, he’s not a bottom 6 player, he’s a 4th liner.

 

[JAHV]

It’s a little pedantic, but if the guy can’t score enough to be a 3rd line player at some point in his career, he’s not a bottom 6 player, he’s a 4th liner.

Isn't the 4th line in the bottom 6? Or is there a different definition of that?

Edit: Ok, I understand what you're saying now. Yeah, it's unlikely Gaucher could be a solid 3rd liner at this point. As I say below, though, I think he can provide value.

 

[JAHV]

Not “has to” but it’s pretty unlikely to be a quality bottom 6er below 30 points. Okay you can maybe name a few…doesn’t change my point

Please refute the point that you likely need to show progression offensively at the lower levels in order to be an NHL quality bottom 6 player

My last post just did. You can be a quality bottom 6 player without providing 30 points - every Stanley Cup winner in forever has had those guys.

I think Gaucher can get there. I would rather he be putting up more points in the AHL, but his progression is not worrisome to me yet. His ceiling (3rd line center putting up 35-40 points) is looking more and more out of reach, but I think he could still be valuable.