Prospect Info: 2024-25 Ducks Prospects
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Sennecke 0+2, now 11 points in the last four. He's about two points per game now.
It's what he should be doing. There is promise to be found in that, since he was viewed as a reach, but considering the expectations of a top three pick this is how he should be producing. It's a good sign they didn't screw up.
Hockey Duckie
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Just want to put it out there that Sam Steel was nearly a 2.0 ppg (1.98 to be accurate) player in his D+1 season in the WHL.
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Well... thanks for that. We don't want to get hopeful, or happy, or anything.
I remember watching Steel and thinking he just "kind of is there". I don't remember him taking anyone on his back despite the large numbers.
With Sennecke it's very different for me. I think he dominates ice at times. He also has a much better frame to support his overall play.
I think question is still out there how good is Sennecke defensively and even 5on5 he can improve. But combering both, I think Sennecke is head and shoulders above Steel not only by height
but also their potential and excited-ness about them based on the plays they make that could translate to the NHL
It's not even close to the same. The WHL was a joke that year. Look at the top 100 scorers in the league and you will find a total of 1 NHL top 6 forward in Barzal. Noone else.
Here are the top 5 scorers:
Steel - 1st rounder in his D+1
Brooks - 4th rounder in his D+3
Wong - Undrafted in his D+3
Butcher - Undrafted in his D+3
Halbgewachs - Undrafted in his D+2
Look at the top 5 in PPG in the OHL this year:
Martone - top 5 pick in his D+0
Misa - top 5 pick in his D+0
Ritchie - 1st rounder in his D+2
Greentree - 1st rounder in his D+1
Sennecke - #3 overall in his D+1
Sennecke dominating the OHL in 2024-25 is so much more impressive then Steel dominating the WHL in 2016-17
Anaheim4ever
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I got a feeling its because Verbeek drafted Sennecke and not his favorite GM Murray.
The OHL tends to be the best of the junior leagues overall.
Hockey Duckie
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I remember watching Steel and thinking he just "kind of is there". I don't remember him taking anyone on his back despite the large numbers.
With Sennecke it's very different for me. I think he dominates ice at times. He also has a much better frame to support his overall play.
I think question is still out there how good is Sennecke defensively and even 5on5 he can improve. But combering both, I think Sennecke is head and shoulders above Steel not only by height
I think Sennecke has far more offensive talent than Steel, but I'd like to temper glowing up Sennecke until he reaches the NHL level. Sennecke's offensive game reminds me a lot of Kent Johnson. I raved about Kent Johnson's individual play in the 2021 draft, but his team game was far behind. I am cautious about his off-puck play when he goes pro and how fast he adapts will be how quickly he'll rise to the top.
Hockey Duckie
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I think you're making my point for me that Steel was the top scorer that year in the WHL, ahead of a few overagers that you listed. That's a great feat for Steel. We were all hyped up b/c of Terry and Steel popping in NCAA/WJC and Juniors, respectively! It's the fact Steel did that feat and then bombed in the NHL should make us cautious about propping Sennecke up too high. There's nothing wrong about being cautious. The jump between juniors to the NHL is very high.
Let's look at the top-5 in the OHL for that season. Got some stinkers and finds there. Remember, Steel was the 30th pick overall and the last pick in the first round. DeBrincat and Mascherin went 39th and 38th in the 2nd round, respectively. I see why you didn't want to use ppg rate for the WHL top-5 in 2017. Tricky, tricky, tricky.
Top-5 points, OHL in 2017
1. DeBrincat (127 pts) D+1, Rd 2
2. Raddysh (109 pts) D+1, Rd 2
3. Mascherin (100 pts); D+1, Rd 2
4. Palmu (98 pts); D+2, overage Rd 6 in 2017
5. Suzuki (96 pts); D+0, Rd 1
Although, I do find your retort disingenuous. Why use total points for Steel and the WHL, but use PPG for Sennecke and the OHL. But, hey, Sennecke is producing like the 26th overall Greentree from the same draft year.
Top-5 ppg, OHL in 2025
1. Musty (2.08); 1st round D+1
2. Martone (2.07)
3T. Misa (1.95)
4T. Ritchie (1.95)
5T. Greentree (1.80)
5T. Sennecke (1.80)
Top-5 ppg, WHL in 2017
1. Steel (1.98)
2. Brooks (1.97) (Steel's teammate)
3. Barzal (1.93); 1st round, D+2
4. Wong (1.58)
5. Yamamoto (1.52); 1st round, D+0
Now, let's see the difference between 2017 WHL ppg and 2025 WHL ppg. Apparently, the scoring has gone up.
Top-5 ppg, WHL in 2025
1. Cristal (2.23), D+2, Rd 2
2. McKenna (2.00), D-1
3. Catton (1.80), D+1, Rd 1
4. Tulk (1.69), D+2, undrafted
5. Kindel (1.68), D+0
I don't know why you're extremely offended when someone is saying to be cautious of the overhype.
Anaheim4ever
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Its because you are only doing it because he was not drafted under GM Murray. You'll go out of your way to defend everything Murray did and criticize everything Verbeek has done. Its the same thing with Dipoto vs Eppler for you. If Sennecke was selected under Murray you'd be hyping him up the way you did you with McTavish when he was selected. Kent Johnson has nowhere the size and shot of Sennecke. Talk about moving the Goal Posts ! So now Sennecke's ceiling is Kent Johnson. Its also apparent when you go to bat for Eakins vs Cronin because one was hired under Murray.
Hockey Duckie
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You really have HDS (Hockey Duckie Syndrome). Steel was drafted by Murray. Steel couldn't make the big jump to the NHL as a top-6C. I guess that flew over your head.
I have criticized Murray for years for not going the balanced route for three consecutive drafts, 2016-2018. We went away from our great strength of drafting defensemen for those three seasons. No one else brought up this specific criticism, but me. Then this past draft we had Asst GM Madden say our draft team went for need. IMO, it feels like he was pointing to the 2016 and 2017 drafts b/c we got nothing out of those drafts as no one even generated enough draft capital to be traded. Steel was drafted in the 2016 draft. Check that out, I'm ahead of the program.
Not only did I predict Mac in the draft, but I also predicted Minty and Carlsson. Remember how I was in the minority in wanting Carlsson? Verbeek chose Carlsson over Fantilli. Yeah... you want to omit that fact b/c you've got an agenda due to your illogical perception of me.
While I disliked the Verbeekening, I was in the small minority knowing we'd have to wait five years to see how the reset rebuild goes. I'm not crying about wanting to win incessantly for the past few years b/c I knew we were in a reset rebuild. I am always reminding people we are in Year 1, 2, or 3 of the reset rebuild to all those panicking about the lack of wins. Verbeek corrected his lack of physical and right-handedness of 2022-23 by bringing in RD Gudas and RD Lyubushkin in 2023-24. Verbeek got credit for that. Cronin's offense for that season was highly criticized by me, but did I get pushback from a majority on this board because y'all couldn't believe Eakins was a better offensive coach. The following season everyone else jumped on the "Cronin can't coach offense" wagon and believing Eakins is a better development head coach than Cronin. I kept pointing out that LaCombe wasn't as egregious as this board kept citing all last season and that he was our best all-around youth D to close out the season. Now, many poster are saying LaCombe is unleashed as if LaCombe came from nowhere - which is a farcical conclusion.
I've got a good track record here. Maybe you're very raspberry jelly of my record to come off maniacal to believe I am narrow-minded in thought. We're allowed to criticize on this board. We're also allowed to throw up caution signs.
Kent Johnson ====
Are you size shaming Kent Johnson? tsk, tsk, tsk. You are sounding more and more maniacal with what you are spewing.
As for Kent Johnson, you have no idea of his talent. IMO before the 2021 draft, Johnson possessed the highest upside of all the top-10 players in the 2021 draft due to his individual offensive skills, but his struggle to play the team game was scary bad - especially when you have other draftees like Beniers and Powers on the same team. Because Johnson wasn't great at the team game is why he couldn't stick at center in college. When I looked at Mac's WJC-18 scouting tape, Mac was the more well-rounded offensive player who can stick at center and drive the bus. Mac drove the WJC-20 bus despite Johnson scoring the gwg in the championship game, which is also why Mac earned the tournament MVP. Today in the NHL, Johnson still isn't a center. Anaheim needed top-6 centers.
Before going to the NCAA, Johnson tore up the BCHL in 52 games by scoring 41g + 60a. His offensive game on tape was otherworldly in the BCHL. Johnson should have had a better in his first year in college, but I suppose the NCAA jump and learning how to play a team game was a struggle for him. Johnson's offense didn't blow up in his second season in the NCAA and was still playing on the wing.
Johnson was a full time NHL'er in his rookie season, just like Mac. In his second season in the NHL, he got demoted to the AHL. And this season it looks like his offense has clicked: 29 games, 11g + 13a = 24 pts. He's producing better than Cutter, Mac, Carlsson, and Z. Then again, Johnson doesn't have Cronin as his head coach.
Conclusion ===
Sennecke has otherworldly offensive talent, just like Johnson. That's a compliment from me; not a derogatory statement like your mind has already made up.
I'm glad I could write this post so that everyone can see the macro view and my track record being ahead of the things. I cannot wait for you to write how amazing Cronin is at developing our offensive youths as well as how great our goal scoring is with respect to the league for the past two seasons to prove to me I'm wrong about those two things. I do hope you do not dodge this request. If you do dodge this request, then I'll take your silence as you sharing the same criticisms with me.
Let's go, Ducks!
