Speculation: 2024-25 Coaching/Management/Ownership

[MMC]

Here is just for the month of February. Definite improvement.

But it’s all the goalies or whatever the narrative is

 

[Static]

But it’s all the goalies or whatever the narrative is

One month does not a season make. We will see if the improvement can be maintained.

 

[MMC]

One month does not a season make. We will see if the improvement can be maintained.

Sure but people were applying that to this current stretch of play

 

[Mr Rogers]

The Ducks only played 7 games in Feb

 

[MMC]

The Ducks only played 7 games in Feb

I swear some of you are just desperate for this team to be worse than they actually are

 

[Mr Rogers]

I swear some of you are just desperate for this team to be worse than they actually are

Well you're dead wrong. The fact is the Ducks are DFL or close to it in a lot of areas and i don't want to get my hopes up just yet.

 

[AngelDuck]

The first chart shows that we’ve still been a bottom 5 team this year aside from goaltending. I don’t know how you can argue that personally

I’m all for seeing that February chart Carry on the rest of the way though. If we could be average from Feb-April that would be a terrific accomplishment for our standards and give me some hope going into next year

I swear some of you are just desperate for this team to be worse than they actually are

It’s more just pointing out that, while encouraging seeing the underlying numbers trending better, a 7 game sample size isn’t quite enough to conclude that the ship is pointing upward.

20 games? Sure that’s a quarter of a season. But 7? Not quite

 

[Hockey Duckie]

But it’s all the goalies or whatever the narrative is

Sure still looks like the goalies carrying the team. Anaheim was involved in six 1-goal games out of the seven games played in February. Three of those 1-goal games went into OT or SO. We actually won two games without scoring 3 goals in a game! In the Vancouver win, Dostal let in two in the first period and shutout the Canucks for the rest of the game.

Hey, some people love to downplay our goalies so much that it's just a narrative that our goalies played out of their minds this season.

 

[MMC]

Sure still looks like the goalies carrying the team. Anaheim was involved in six 1-goal games out of the seven games played in February. Three of those 1-goal games went into OT or SO. We actually won two games without scoring 3 goals in a game! In the Vancouver win, Dostal let in two in the first period and shutout the Canucks for the rest of the game.

Hey, some people love to downplay our goalies so much that it's just a narrative that our goalies played out of their minds this season.

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So we’re ignoring the improved offense to push a narrative about the goaltending, yep that seems about right

 

[JonathnTaylorTavares]

Anyone elses brain trained them when looking at the first chart to start at the end and work your way up to find the Ducks quicker?

 

[ZegrassyKnoll]

So we’re ignoring the improved offense to push a narrative about the goaltending, yep that seems about right

Even in the month of February, our "improved" month, we had the sixth-worst High Danger Chance % in the league.

We don't win games, our goalies do.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

So we’re ignoring the improved offense to push a narrative about the goaltending, yep that seems about right

You are stating a Sv % of 0.925, involved in six 1-goal games, and the Ducks scoring only 2 goals in three of those games in those seven games is a narrative about the goaltending. It is sad you're not accepting of the receipts.

The goalies limited opponents to scoring 2 or fewer goals five times in the seven game set. I don't understand where the narrative is. You are gonna have to show some receipts than use feelings to believing a narrative push about the goaltending.

 

[MMC]

You are stating a Sv % of 0.925, involved in six 1-goal games, and the Ducks scoring only 2 goals in three of those games in those seven games is a narrative about the goaltending. It is sad you're not accepting of the receipts.

The goalies limited opponents to scoring 2 or fewer goals five times in the seven game set. I don't understand where the narrative is. You are gonna have to show some receipts than use feelings to believing a narrative push about the goaltending.

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Nope, I’m merely saying the team is improving as a whole and it’s not only the goaltending

 

[Ducks DVM]

So we’re ignoring the improved offense to push a narrative about the goaltending, yep that seems about right

For the 7 games 2/1/25-2/28/25

GF : 20 (23rd)
6v5G : 3 (1st)
5v6G : 1 (T-8th)
SA/G : 31.7 (27th)
SF/G : 25.1 (30th)
SAT% : 45.8% (28th)
USAT% : 44.3% (30th)

Fully 25% of the goals are not a reproducible event, because they were with all with only 1 goaltender on the ice.

We lost to a wildcard team, beat a wildcard team, outgoalied the Kings in a rivalry game, and played a bunch of similarly bad teams as the Ducks.

The metrics are still crap. No parade planning necessary.

 

[Mr Rogers]

For the 7 games 2/1/25-2/28/25

GF : 20 (23rd)
6v5G : 3 (1st)
5v6G : 1 (T-8th)
SA/G : 31.7 (27th)
SF/G : 25.1 (30th)
SAT% : 45.8% (28th)
USAT% : 44.3% (30th)

Fully 25% of the goals are not a reproducible event, because they were with all with only 1 goaltender on the ice.

We lost to a wildcard team, beat a wildcard team, outgoalied the Kings in a rivalry game, and played a bunch of similarly bad teams as the Ducks.

The metrics are still crap. No parade planning necessary.

Exactly. even in those 7 games, we weren't like some great team

 

[70sSanO]

I swear some of you are just desperate for this team to be worse than they actually are

I’m pretty happy with how the Ducks have played lately, except for a couple of games.

But that doesn’t mean I think Cronin is doing a good job. I really don’t think he is a good coach. I want him gone.

If I just look at results, Bob Murray was the last Ducks coach with a winning record.

John

 

[robbieboy3686]

I’m pretty happy with how the Ducks have played lately, except for a couple of games.

But that doesn’t mean I think Cronin is doing a good job. I really don’t think he is a good coach. I want him gone.

If I just look at results, Bob Murray was the last Ducks coach with a winning record.

John

We still lack high intensity skilled/depth players. Most of our sguys are all quiet and lack emotion/toughness/meanness. Ie we’re a boring vanilla af team in all
Honesty. Seems a though verbeek sees this, and he’s been drafting more big moment guys like sennecke Gaucher etc

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Nope, I’m merely saying the team is improving as a whole and it’s not only the goaltending

But it is the goaltending that is spearheaded the team to get into a 5-1-1 record. The netminders held five opponents to scoring only 2 goals or fewer. The average GF in the league is 3.02 goals for per game. Our offense scored 2 goals or fewer three times, but we won two of those games. Could have been four times without the two extra 6v5 goals scored in the last four minutes of the game. It's sheer bullshit to say "we're improving as a team" and call the goaltending a narrative.

@Ducks DVM shared even more metrics with respect to shots and possession that we're still the bottom during the 7-game set.

Here is your quote:

But it’s all the goalies or whatever the narrative is

If the whole team has improved, then where was the rest of the team when they left Gibson out to dry against Chicago? Without great goaltending, this team would lose so many more games.

 

[mightyquack]

So we’re ignoring the improved offense to push a narrative about the goaltending, yep that seems about right

This is a bit rich tbh, given you ignore all stats apart from ones from extremely small sample sizes that make Anaheim look slightly below average instead of dogshit bottom 5 terrible and then declare Cronin is doing an amazing job.

 

[MMC]

then declare Cronin is doing an amazing job.

Nope, all I’ve really said is the team has improved

 

[mightyquack]

Nope, all I’ve really said is the team has improved

Yet you manage to ignore all the points raised that highlight the team still is terrible, and even hasn't been that good in the 7 game stretch (like the post DVM made).

But at least you managed to find the time to respond to mine (and ignore counter points yet again).

 

[MMC]

Yet you manage to ignore all the points raised that highlight the team still is terrible, and even hasn't been that good in the 7 game stretch (like the post DVM made).

But at least you managed to find the time to respond to mine (and ignore counter points yet again).

I said a few games back that I didn’t even think this team was “good” yet so I don’t really care to respond to someone trying to argue a stance that I don’t even have. And if you’re going to say that I’m choosing to ignore underlying metrics and focusing on the improvement in the standings, I mean ok, I could just as easily say you’re being in denial by doing the reverse. Ultimately all I’ve said (and will continue to say if we play at this pace) is that I’m happy with the season and our improvement in the standings and I believe all personnel involved deserve to be back to see if they can continue to build on the improvements here. If you disagree or don’t think that’s a valid stance to have then I don’t know what to tell you

 

[HanSolo]

I said a few games back that I didn’t even think this team was “good” yet so I don’t really care to respond to someone trying to argue a stance that I don’t even have. And if you’re going to say that I’m choosing to ignore underlying metrics and focusing on the improvement in the standings, I mean ok, I could just as easily say you’re being in denial by doing the reverse. Ultimately all I’ve said (and will continue to say if we play at this pace) is that I’m happy with the season and our improvement in the standings and I believe all personnel involved deserve to be back to see if they can continue to build on the improvements here. If you disagree or don’t think that’s a valid stance to have then I don’t know what to tell you

Are you also pleased with how the youth core is being developed?

 

[dracom]

I said a few games back that I didn’t even think this team was “good” yet so I don’t really care to respond to someone trying to argue a stance that I don’t even have. And if you’re going to say that I’m choosing to ignore underlying metrics and focusing on the improvement in the standings, I mean ok, I could just as easily say you’re being in denial by doing the reverse. Ultimately all I’ve said (and will continue to say if we play at this pace) is that I’m happy with the season and our improvement in the standings and I believe all personnel involved deserve to be back to see if they can continue to build on the improvements here. If you disagree or don’t think that’s a valid stance to have then I don’t know what to tell you

By personnel do you mean players or coaches? Because there’s definitely some players that shouldn’t be here next season, and there’s no justification for the coach who handles the PP should be back.

 

[TheDarkWingThatDucks]

Are you also pleased with how the youth core is being developed?

please do not take this as my being aggressive or shit talking. And it’s a “universal you”.

The problem I see is you think it’s important whether or not we should be “pleased” with stats. I don’t think anyone is “pleased” with scoring the fewest goals in the NHL and having young players with middling - worse stats when it comes to NHL goals and assists.

Me personally, I feel like I have a grasp on how the Ducks org is trying to develop players. Specifically those at the NHL level, whom have been thrusted into positions they aren’t physically mature (maybe even mentally mature) enough to handle.

Since I feel like I know their “idea” for developing prospects + my inability to change their plan, it creates a level of acceptance and understanding that allows for me to go…..

Cronin isn’t the right coach to lead us to a ship. But, Verbeek hired him to develop these young players into NHL major pcs. Barring a collapse he will not fire him and he will be brought back to start next season. (Unless he has is successor already lined up and that man is available / Cronin was on a 2 year contract / etc). Verbeek and co must have access to things I do not to give a full birdseye view of this rebuild. I’d assume the leash would be pretty short next year, as one where some real expectations are in play. And I’m fine with giving Cronin one more bad stretch of awful analytics + awful game results before firing him into the sun. You don’t have to agree with me, but injuries hurt him year 1 / year 2 advanced analytics sucks, but winning in the NHL is hard, and he is doing it. Goalies or not, we have 2 horses and neither of them have to be run into the ground. You rely on your best players to win games, the ducks best players are their two goalies.

I think culture change was a huge reason Cronin was hired, and team over self seems to be a big component on championship caliber teams, and seems to be an identity we are forming. As they mature hopefully their kids play rises to levels near elite in the NHL and that + sacrificing …. Body / mind / soul for everyone in the locker leads to us being a wagon.

That being said, conversations about what’s wrong with Leo / Cronin are all fine. I do always laugh at the people complaining about like “he lacks confidence” but then at the same time kind of scoff at the, hey these kids aren’t physically mature enough to handle this intensity / etc ….. the development is to individualize specific plans to develop skill / awareness / strength …. Which like gives people confidence.

So just once again “pleased” ? No. But like instead of looking at Leo’s pt total, watch his board battle play, which since I don’t know how to find advanced stats for that, he seems to be winning more of them than the beginning of the year. If the numbers reflect my eye test, well then yes I would say we should be pleased that the individual development plans might be working, with time.