Speculation: 2024-25 Coaching/Management/Ownership

[70sSanO]

One other piece on Yandle. Keith’s brother played for UNH and Keith had committed to UNH to play with him.

Whether Wikipedia is correct or not, it stated Keith Yandle was denied admittance to UNH due to academics.

This doesn’t doesn’t change whether a Cronin phone call happened, but Yandle didn’t change his mind and decommit from UNH as he says. Ultimately he never attended college.

John

Edit added: It may very well had been a situation where Yandle painted a picture of changing his mind going to UNH and Cronin found out the next day that wasn’t true and academically he couldn’t attend Northeastern either.

And Cronin called Yandle and the conversation may not have been exactly as Yandle presented it, but I’m guessing it wasn’t pleasant. But this is all conjecture.

 

[Terry Yake]

can't wait to hear the stories about cronin from his former ducks players once he's gone. i have a feeling there are some good ones

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/anaheim-ducks/latest-news/diagnosing-the-ducks-offensive-struggles

An article by Patrick Present. Couple things I agree with: the players seem to be doing the things that they’ve been asked to do but the team still sucks. Cronin, predictably, doesn’t know what’s happening and is hoping guys start scoring.

Just wanted to highlight this passage from the article:

The strengths of the Ducks' most important pieces seem to contradict that philosophy. The roster, as constructed, more so resembles the strengths of teams like the Vegas Golden Knights, Dallas Stars, and New Jersey Devils.

Those teams prioritize generating opportunities off the rush by keeping teams to the perimeter, protecting the middle, and eliminating seams until they cause a turnover before sending numbers out of the zone on the counterattack with possession.

On the cycle, their possession-based offense keeps pucks on the sticks of their best players as they support, weave, switch, and open up lanes for shots or dangerous passes.

The Ducks, while remaining diligent in their man coverage, aren't manufacturing the turnovers they need and are often hemmed in their zone as a result. This has led to a higher volume of shot attempts for opponents and the players on the ice, expelling the majority of their shift energy defending, limiting their own dangerous potential on the counter.

Yeah, exactly. PV wants a heavy, crashing team, hired a coach that agreed with him, but he built a team of crafty guys, snipers, and east-west players.

 

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[DavidBL]

I can't like this enough.

 

[ohcomeonref]

Yeah I was 100% wrong about wanting to actively tank. The "loser mindset" and culture it breeds leaves scars on the organization.

 

[Kalv]

I think these quicker rebuilds benefit off the full teardown rebuilds because they can get some good youngish players for cheaper from the full teardown teams who hit a wall

 

[JonathnTaylorTavares]

I think it was totally fair to have rooted for best odds to win Bedard. Since we were pretty much already there all season. Havent seen too many people, if any, root for tank outside of that year.

 

[70sSanO]

I can’t read the article so I don’t know what teams have won the cup without a tear down.

If it is just a matter of making the playoffs, and perhaps winning a division, we’ve been there and done that.

A sure fire way is to get a generational player and no loyalty. If a team gets Sidney Crosby instead of Bobby Ryan, it is easier.

And maintaining a strong core by moving good players early to get max value and the right replacement is equally important. Too many organizations and fans are sentimental and end up with no real core.

Of course some is luck and good/bad judgement. Flames and Panthers are a good example.

John

 

[Boo Boo]

Plenty of ways to build a team. It does feel like that article is only a snapshot of where the league is right now. A couple years from now a few of the current tankers are going to join the oilers in the playoffs and the narrative should switch somewhat.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Can somebody please post this every time somebody wants to open a tank thread. I'm sick of losing and I don't care who we draft. I just want the team to win more.

 

[TheDarkWingThatDucks]

Here’s a fun video on tanking : district 5 is a ducks fan and has some good videos on them.

 

[MMC]

Some of you guys seem to really WANT there to be drama involving this team. Weird stuff

 

[ohcomeonref]

Some of you guys seem to really WANT there to be drama involving this team. Weird stuff

Nerves are getting frayed with the team I think

 

[Ducks DVM]

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/anaheim-ducks/latest-news/diagnosing-the-ducks-offensive-struggles

An article by Patrick Present. Couple things I agree with: the players seem to be doing the things that they’ve been asked to do but the team still sucks. Cronin, predictably, doesn’t know what’s happening and is hoping guys start scoring.

Just wanted to highlight this passage from the article:


Yeah, exactly. PV wants a heavy, crashing team, hired a coach that agreed with him, but he built a team of crafty guys, snipers, and east-west players.

Please send this to Cronin, Verbeek, and the Samueli’s. It’s beyond me why they’re the only ones who can’t see this.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Please send this to Cronin, Verbeek, and the Samueli’s. It’s beyond me why they’re the only ones who can’t see this.

Henry can’t see anything because he doesn’t want to. I still believe he knew what an ass Bob was but didn’t care until he was forced to care. I really wonder what it will take at some point in time to actually fire Verbeek.

 

[Terry Yake]

Henry can’t see anything because he doesn’t want to. I still believe he knew what an ass Bob was but didn’t care until he was forced to care. I really wonder what it will take at some point in time to actually fire Verbeek.

for him to become a full blown alcoholic like murray was? and even then, they'd probably ignore it like they did with murray

 

[anezthes]

That’s a huge part of their story: when you get real NHL players, the players you’re developing have a better chance to succeed, too. And with that comes confidence, and in turn you get the most out of them. The growth is exponential.

...

 

[ZegrassyKnoll]

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/anaheim-ducks/latest-news/diagnosing-the-ducks-offensive-struggles

An article by Patrick Present. Couple things I agree with: the players seem to be doing the things that they’ve been asked to do but the team still sucks. Cronin, predictably, doesn’t know what’s happening and is hoping guys start scoring.

Just wanted to highlight this passage from the article:


Yeah, exactly. PV wants a heavy, crashing team, hired a coach that agreed with him, but he built a team of crafty guys, snipers, and east-west players.

To your point, I actually think PV wants the roster to be both - heavy, crashing, crafty snipers and we're seeing the result, which is not being very good at either.

It's a different kind of failing IMO but a mistake nonetheless.

 

[Kalv]

LAK PP is only 2% better than ours so perhaps Brown also had to take some blame last year, not only players

 

[AngelDuck]

Henry can’t see anything because he doesn’t want to. I still believe he knew what an ass Bob was but didn’t care until he was forced to care. I really wonder what it will take at some point in time to actually fire Verbeek.

No matter how bad the team gets, Henry’s net worth keeps growing.

There’s no motivation for him to do anything radical. We will keep rebuilding until a miracle happens and we land the right talent through the draft

Meanwhile, Broadcom stock will keep going up. Life is good for Henry and Susan

 

[70sSanO]

I have mixed feelings about the Samuelis.

They have spent quite a bit on philanthropy in Orange County.

As a fan, I’d love to see them more involved, or at least holding Ducks Mgmt accountable.

The other side of having an uber wealthy owner, is having a small market team that doesn’t turn a profit stay in Orange County.

As frustrating as it is right now to watch the Ducks, it would be worse to lose them to another market.

I could not become a Kings fan. Having to listen to Jim Fox would make me confess to crimes I didn’t commit.

John

 

[Hey234]

The Samueli's have done right by the team, players, and community. They trust their management team, they pay the players when necessary, they invested in a huge practice facility for the boys, the OC Vibe is a massive community investment, and they have countless programs to help in the community. They are fantastic owners.

All that being said, billionaires shouldn't exist so that's my only mixed feeling.

 

[robbieboy3686]

I have mixed feelings about the Samuelis.

They have spent quite a bit on philanthropy in Orange County.

As a fan, I’d love to see them more involved, or at least holding Ducks Mgmt accountable.

The other side of having an uber wealthy owner, is having a small market team that doesn’t turn a profit stay in Orange County.

As frustrating as it is right now to watch the Ducks, it would be worse to lose them to another market.

I could not become a Kings fan. Having to listen to Jim Fox would make me confess to crimes I didn’t commit.

John

The aren’t building the Oc Vibe to then move the ducks franchise abroad…

 

[Hockey Duckie]

I have mixed feelings about the Samuelis.

They have spent quite a bit on philanthropy in Orange County.

As a fan, I’d love to see them more involved, or at least holding Ducks Mgmt accountable.

The other side of having an uber wealthy owner, is having a small market team that doesn’t turn a profit stay in Orange County.

As frustrating as it is right now to watch the Ducks, it would be worse to lose them to another market.

I could not become a Kings fan. Having to listen to Jim Fox would make me confess to crimes I didn’t commit.

John

As an Angels fan, I can say the Samueli's will not lose the Ducks to another market. The Ducks have increased their viewership 3x's with Victory+. If they're new fans, then they won't know how bad we are since it looks like we're in most of the games despite losing.

Also as an Angels fan, I don't like owners meddling in front office operations. We can fire a GM for bad product on the ice and move on, but we can't fire the owners for bad product on the ice and move on.

The Samueli's have always been concerned with the team. The only time the Ducks make money is when they are playoff bound due to being a small market team. They have been supplementing the losses of owning the Ducks through their other businesses for several years now.

It's because of the Samueli's that there is a lot of hockey in southern cal and west coast. They went grass roots by buying up rinks and renovating them. Then they built Great Park Ice. During that time, the Samueli's literally dragged the AHL to the west coast. We were bouncing around in the east coast with Portland, Maine, in Iowa (the chops), and did some split group with Cinci, iirc.

When Verbeek told the owners that he needed to blow up the team instead of taking the next step to be contenders as he promised, then the Samueli's knew it would be a five-year process. The org is overpaying for lower talent brought in with $7 mil for Klingberg, $6.25 mil AAV for Killorn, $8 mil AAV for Trouba, and $5 mil to Strome.

You don't have to be a fan of the Kings, but rather be fan of the NHL. You can follow former Ducks. I'm not frustrated to watch the Ducks b/c I accepted the fact that we're in year 3 of a reset rebuild and that Cronin doesn't coach offense well. Silver lining is we're seeing Dostal developing into a high-end starting goalie and our youth D are taking steps forwards (though at different rates). Now, if Cronin is around next season, then I'll have to re-visit not being frustrated.