Speculation: 2024-25 Coaching/Management/Ownership

[MMC]

You mean a new GM who catfished the Ducks into resetting the rebuild by razing the Ducks to the ground. Sometimes shit happens in bunches.

From Detroit News after Verbeek was hired in Feb 2022:

Named general manager of the Anaheim Ducks on Thursday, Verbeek is going to an organization in third place in the Pacific Division, in a wild-card spot, and past the early stages of the rebuild phase.​

​

"This team doesn't need to be rebuilt; they're in the middle of their rebuild, so this is a great opportunity to take this team forward and turn them into a contender," Verbeek said during his introductory press conference. "You don't have to come in there and look to take a long time. There's good players in the NHL, good players in the minors and there are players that have been drafted. There's a lot coming to support the growth of this team. That's truly what I'm excited about."​

From the Athletic on Oct 2022:

“It’s not fair … me coming in two, three months and then going with a new guy,” Verbeek said. “And in the sense that I just blew up the team (at the trade deadline). So I wanted to give him a chance. And it gave us an opportunity to get to know one another over the course of the offseason.​

I think the take that PV lied his way into getting the job is a pretty ridiculous one, especially when the media has said that PV has been preaching patience to ownership for the entirety of his time here. And let’s just say you’re right and he did lie his way into getting the job, why are they keeping a guy who is running the team in complete opposition to what they were looking for? This is just cope over him not doing what you want him to do

 

[Deuce22]

You mean a new GM who catfished the Ducks into resetting the rebuild by razing the Ducks to the ground. Sometimes shit happens in bunches.

From Detroit News after Verbeek was hired in Feb 2022:

Named general manager of the Anaheim Ducks on Thursday, Verbeek is going to an organization in third place in the Pacific Division, in a wild-card spot, and past the early stages of the rebuild phase.​

​

"This team doesn't need to be rebuilt; they're in the middle of their rebuild, so this is a great opportunity to take this team forward and turn them into a contender," Verbeek said during his introductory press conference. "You don't have to come in there and look to take a long time. There's good players in the NHL, good players in the minors and there are players that have been drafted. There's a lot coming to support the growth of this team. That's truly what I'm excited about."​

From the Athletic on Oct 2022:

“It’s not fair … me coming in two, three months and then going with a new guy,” Verbeek said. “And in the sense that I just blew up the team (at the trade deadline). So I wanted to give him a chance. And it gave us an opportunity to get to know one another over the course of the offseason.​

Thinking Verbeek told ownership the same thing he told the media is very trusting of you. I tend to be more skeptical.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Srsly I’m hoping the hurricanes get tko the first round and we pickup their fired head coach

There would be quite a line of teams waiting to sign him. Not sure why you think he would come here.

 

[S.S. Giggy]

I think the take that PV lied his way into getting the job is a pretty ridiculous one, especially when the media has said that PV has been preaching patience to ownership for the entirety of his time here. And let’s just say you’re right and he did lie his way into getting the job, why are they keeping a guy who is running the team in complete opposition to what they were looking for? This is just cope over him not doing what you want him to do

For the record, Murray never really committed to the rebuild until 2022. And by rebuild, I'm referring to a complete teardown of the team and building it back up. Verbeek was really the one who traded out Lindholm, Rakell, Manson, and Deslauriers at the 2022 deadline effective starting the rebuild. In a sense, that was when the rebuild really began.

 

[S.S. Giggy]

There would be quite a line of teams waiting to sign him. Not sure why you think he would come here.

I highly doubt Rob "the Bod" Brind'Amour will go anywhere outside of North Carolina

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

I highly doubt Rob "the Bod" Brind'Amour will go anywhere outside of North Carolina

You’re telling the wrong guy.

 

[Tecumseh]

St. Louis got Montgomery so there goes that opportunity

 

[All Mighty]

 

[mightyquack]

Shouldn't ever be allowed back in hockey at any level, same as Bowman. Embarrassing that one is already back and the second isn't far off.

Would be typical if Detroit joins Edmonton as the other organisation to enable it. Two scumbag organisations.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

For the record, Murray never really committed to the rebuild until 2022. And by rebuild, I'm referring to a complete teardown of the team and building it back up. Verbeek was really the one who traded out Lindholm, Rakell, Manson, and Deslauriers at the 2022 deadline effective starting the rebuild. In a sense, that was when the rebuild really began.

There are different ways of rebuilding. A complete tear down is one of them. You choosing to omit Murray's slower burn rebuild is all you. Got two 1st round picks in 2019 (9th OA and 29th OA), two 1st round picks in 2020 (6th OA and 27th), and another top-10 pick in 2021 (3rd overall). Then became playoff adject in 2021-22 as they were 3rd in the Pacific in Feb (w/o Murray since Nov) and 4 points from 3rd in the Pacific at the TDL.

Verbeekening happened and we finished with the 10th worst record and had two 1st rd picks (10th and 22nd). In 2023, we finished with the worst record. In 2024, we had two 1st rd picks (3rd OA and 23rd).

The result seems quite parallel, except Verbeek gets the youth movement from the Murray rebuild.

 

[emptynetter3]

There are different ways of rebuilding. A complete tear down is one of them. You choosing to omit Murray's slower burn rebuild is all you. Got two 1st round picks in 2019 (9th OA and 29th OA), two 1st round picks in 2020 (6th OA and 27th), and another top-10 pick in 2021 (3rd overall). Then became playoff adject in 2021-22 as they were 3rd in the Pacific in Feb (w/o Murray since Nov) and 4 points from 3rd in the Pacific at the TDL.

Verbeekening happened and we finished with the 10th worst record and had two 1st rd picks (10th and 22nd). In 2023, we finished with the worst record. In 2024, we had two 1st rd picks (3rd OA and 23rd).

The result seems quite parallel, except Verbeek gets the youth movement from the Murray rebuild.

100%

we are a few days away from thanksgiving which as well all know is a major marker for GM's.....i think we are at a cross road.....we either have the they guys/talent or we don't....Im of the belief that we do have the talent and if that is what they think then the clock is ticking either way, certain guys are getting older and others are going to be more expensive....but, my point would be that focusing on "structure" is dumb and not working, its a different game now, and they need to erase years of losing (and it obviously being ok) and start learning how to win....and if these players are not the ones to get the job done then PV needs to start making moves, either way this is the highest level of hockey in the world and losing can not be tolerated.

 

[KelVarnsen]

Wonder how many “I don’t know” answers we get from Ole Man Cronin after this game.

Dude generally seems so clueless all the time.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Wonder how many “I don’t know” answers we get from Ole Man Cronin after this game.

I don’t know.

 

[eaterfan]

We went after Pat Verbeek for his lack of signings in the offseason until we found out the contracts that were handed out to guys like Stamkos and Marchessault. And now, I feel like we're doing the same with Greg Cronin and Jim Montgomery. At the very least, can we wait until the end of this season to really rate the team's coaching staff in general? There's no telling how Montgomery's going to perform with the Blues and a 5 year contract is a heck of a commitment for someone who's barely lasted 2 years in his last 2 jobs.

Coaches are hired to be fired so who knows what coaches would be available by the time Cronin's contract is up.

Maybe Montgomery is a bad coach or maybe he's a great coach, but comparing coaches to players when talking contracts is not an apt comparison, IMO. If Montgomery is bad in 2 years, fire him, no big deal. If a player is bad you are stuck with the cap hit and it restricts the Duck's ability to make other moves to bring in more talent.

 

[Mr Rogers]

It'd be nice if Alexis could do an interview with Pat soon given where we now are in the season. I actually think he wouldn't be too upset with how things have gone, i mean the team is hovering around .500 a quarter way through and is on pace for 78 points.

I'm not saying I'm personally content with things but Pat very well could be. I'm guessing he hasn't loved how things have gone but probably isn't nearly as upset as the average fan.

 

[JAHV]

Maybe Montgomery is a bad coach or maybe he's a great coach, but comparing coaches to players when talking contracts is not an apt comparison, IMO. If Montgomery is bad in 2 years, fire him, no big deal. If a player is bad you are stuck with the cap hit and it restricts the Duck's ability to make other moves to bring in more talent.

In a large market, absolutely. However, the Samuelis seem VERY reluctant to do it. And I know they're richer than God and all that, but for whatever reason, they don't like dead money on the books. Have they ever given the green light to fire a coach with even a season left on his deal?

Carlyle was hired coming out of the lockout in 2006. He was on a one-year contract extension when he was fired midway through the 11-12 season.

Boudreau was fired with one season left on his contract in the summer of 2016. Although I've seen it intimated in other places that he was "let go" as if his contract had run out. Either way, he didn't have more than a season left.

Carlyle was fired with less than a season to go on his contract in 2019.

Eakins was, famously, allowed to play out his contract despite his lack of success before being let go.

I don't think the Samuelis would have signed off on a 5-year deal for a coach who's had a bit of a spotty history when it comes to holding down a job.

 

[ZegrassyKnoll]

I would bet money that Pat will make a shake up trade before he fires Cronin

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

I would bet money that Pat will make a shake up trade before he fires Cronin

I would bet money, it will be a bad decision, if he does.

 

[Hey234]

I would bet money that Pat will make a shake up trade before he fires Cronin

This seems to be the norm for most GMs. Even though it's clear Cronin needs to go, most coaches usually get a trade forst to see if that helps. IMO, let's shake it up as there is both a coaching issue and a construction issue. It will be very telling about Verbeek's read on the team and it's problems based on who he trades.