Speculation: 2024-25 Coaching/Management/Ownership

[mightyquack]

Yep. Keeping grabbing the inept Cronins of the world on 2 year deals. This is the way.

There is a level between grabbing coaches like Cronin on 2 year deals and grabbing coaches like Montgomery on 5 year deals.

It's not like Montgomery doesn't come without pretty decent risk, being that he got fired after 18 months in Dallas due to drinking issues and having to go into rehab, and then lasted barely 2 and a bit years in Boston before getting the boot.

A 5 year deal is pretty wild given history suggests he won't even last 3 years into the contract.

 

[AngelDuck]

The ducks have extremely rich owners that are pretty cheap with the way they conduct hockey operations.

No surprise they wouldn’t commit to a 5 year deal

 

[Static]

This is pretty bold and a hell of a statement. This happens very rarely.

 

[KelVarnsen]

Didn’t the Ducks fire RC #1 when BB became available?

I would have fired Cronin as soon as Montgomery became available if he was willing to come here.

Even though things are a tiny bit better now, I’m still strong in my opinion Cronin is a terrible coach for this team and is actually hindering progression of some of our players.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

The ducks have extremely rich owners that are pretty cheap with the way they conduct hockey operations.

No surprise they wouldn’t commit to a 5 year deal

Owners are hands off with respect to Hockey Ops. They didn't cringe when GM Verbeek offered $6.5 mil AAV for four years to 34-year old Killorn. Verbeek is in charge of Hockey Ops. If you're gonna lay blame, then please direct it to the appropriate source.

As a fellow Angel fan, one would think having owners hands off from Hockey Ops would be amazing.

 

[ZegrassyKnoll]

A 5 year deal for a coach is insane. Only 4 coaches in the league have been with their current team for more than 3 years.

 

[TheDarkWingThatDucks]

Crazy, i didn’t realize teams could fire their new coaches when an obviously better coach was available.

Oh come on dude. You think Montgomery wanted to come to the ducks over the blues notes ?

 

[ZegrassyKnoll]

Kind of interesting, saw some discussion about Monty on the main boards and about how he made a comment that during their strong season he basically just let Bergeron coach.

Then I thought about how Cronin let the team basically coach themselves at the end of the year last season and we looked better.

I’m not saying that players should coach, but the impact of a coach is such a tricky thing to quantify.

 

[Terry Yake]

Didn’t the Ducks fire RC #1 when BB became available?

I would have fired Cronin as soon as Montgomery became available if he was willing to come here.

Even though things are a tiny bit better now, I’m still strong in my opinion Cronin is a terrible coach for this team and is actually hindering progression of some of our players.

yes, they fired him after a win too

 

[AngelDuck]

Owners are hands off with respect to Hockey Ops. They didn't cringe when GM Verbeek offered $6.5 mil AAV for four years to 34-year old Killorn. Verbeek is in charge of Hockey Ops. If you're gonna lay blame, then please direct it to the appropriate source.

As a fellow Angel fan, one would think having owners hands off from Hockey Ops would be amazing.

I’m not sure the Samueli’s would sign off on Verbeek giving a coach a 5 year deal, but maybe I’m wrong

I’m glad they don’t meddle like Arte does but I do think there are certain restrictions. We’ll never know

 

[Ducks DVM]

yes, they fired him after a win too

Well, yes, but the previous 7 games they went 0-6-1 and were overall 7-13-4.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

Verbeek just missed an opportunity to bring in a legitimate coach. This franchise has failed the coach part of team building for almost a decade now, ridiculous.

 

[S.S. Giggy]

Verbeek just missed an opportunity to bring in a legitimate coach. This franchise has failed the coach part of team building for almost a decade now, ridiculous.

We went after Pat Verbeek for his lack of signings in the offseason until we found out the contracts that were handed out to guys like Stamkos and Marchessault. And now, I feel like we're doing the same with Greg Cronin and Jim Montgomery. At the very least, can we wait until the end of this season to really rate the team's coaching staff in general? There's no telling how Montgomery's going to perform with the Blues and a 5 year contract is a heck of a commitment for someone who's barely lasted 2 years in his last 2 jobs.

Coaches are hired to be fired so who knows what coaches would be available by the time Cronin's contract is up.

 

[Boo Boo]

Verbeek just missed an opportunity to bring in a legitimate coach. This franchise has failed the coach part of team building for almost a decade now, ridiculous.

Bob Murray is our best coach since 2018 lol

 

[Ducks DVM]

We went after Pat Verbeek for his lack of signings in the offseason until we found out the contracts that were handed out to guys like Stamkos and Marchessault. And now, I feel like we're doing the same with Greg Cronin and Jim Montgomery. At the very least, can we wait until the end of this season to really rate the team's coaching staff in general? There's no telling how Montgomery's going to perform with the Blues and a 5 year contract is a heck of a commitment for someone who's barely lasted 2 years in his last 2 jobs.

Montgomery has never worked with a rebuilding team, is described as a “positive coaching” style coach (which Verbeek didn’t want), and signed a 5 year deal. There is no evidence Verbeek did NOT talk to him. Coaches don’t get 5 year deals because they usually get fired, then you have to keep paying them unless someone else picks them up.

I do think that Cronin burned up whatever benefit of the doubt he might have had over last season being “because of injuries” in October though. He’s in the “prove you’re not a mistake” territory for me now though, based on how bad the system was up until last week.

 

[MMC]

Ask yourselves why Montgomery would come here over the Blues if we even wanted to hire him

 

[AngelDuck]

Ask yourselves why Montgomery would come here over the Blues if we even wanted to hire him

The Blues are considered by most a blackhole team right now and actually have a worse record than the Ducks.

The only reason he wouldn’t want to come here over the Blues are the following (assuming both teams offered 5 years at the same AAV):

1) Taxes
2) Doesn’t want to be on the west coast

 

[MMC]

The Blues are considered by most a blackhole team right now and actually have a worse record than the Ducks.

The only reason he wouldn’t want to come here over the Blues are the following (assuming both teams offered 5 years at the same AAV):

1) Taxes
2) Doesn’t want to be on the west coast

You’re leaving out that he was there before going to Boston and maintained relationships with the front office

 

[AngelDuck]

You’re leaving out that he was there before going to Boston and maintained relationships with the front office

Didn’t know that, thanks. Could be a factor for sure

 

[S.S. Giggy]

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Montgomery has never worked with a rebuilding team, is described as a “positive coaching” style coach (which Verbeek didn’t want), and signed a 5 year deal. There is no evidence Verbeek did NOT talk to him. Coaches don’t get 5 year deals because they usually get fired, then you have to keep paying them unless someone else picks them up.

I do think that Cronin burned up whatever benefit of the doubt he might have had over last season being “because of injuries” in October though. He’s in the “prove you’re not a mistake” territory for me now though, based on how bad the system was up until last week.

Sure! And even then, 18-20 games is not a big enough sample size to gauge into a coach's overall performance. And you're right to a degree with Montgomery never having been behind the bench of a rebuilding team in the past.

 

[emptynetter3]

i despise the term "rebuilding" when talking about the current ducks team....a rebuild shouldnt take 6+ years....they "have" the players and if they don't then they another 7+ years out.....at a certain point it just becomes a excuse to be piss poor....we are RAPIDLY approaching the Edmonton years of having to trade these guys off to try and salvage something but the problem is we don't have a mcdavid to bail us out.....PV should be doing everything he can to get this team to win and expecting them win, because another year of "development" or "rebuilding" is only hurting the team.

why can we watch players leave the ducks and go to other team and become the players we had hoped they would be?....its a cultural issue IMO and as much as I thought Monty would have been a great fit here I don't blame PV for not wanting to commit that, but he is slow playing some master plan he has IMO and its very egotistical, the worst part is he can get away with it because there is no accountability to fans of the ducks because the media cover this team don't ask/demand answers. why are coaches the only ones who bear the burden of underperforming? PV should be feeling the temp getting hotter and hotter, but I know he feels ZERO pressure to make this team win.......it sucks being a ducks fan sometimes.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

We went after Pat Verbeek for his lack of signings in the offseason until we found out the contracts that were handed out to guys like Stamkos and Marchessault. And now, I feel like we're doing the same with Greg Cronin and Jim Montgomery. At the very least, can we wait until the end of this season to really rate the team's coaching staff in general? There's no telling how Montgomery's going to perform with the Blues and a 5 year contract is a heck of a commitment for someone who's barely lasted 2 years in his last 2 jobs.

Coaches are hired to be fired so who knows what coaches would be available by the time Cronin's contract is up.

That coach is almost 100 games over .500 in his career. You get what you pay for, which is how Anaheim has ended up with bad coaching for over 5 years now

Ask yourselves why Montgomery would come here over the Blues if we even wanted to hire him

Anaheim have lots of young talent, draft assets and cap room and if you pay someone enough usually that's what it takes to get them

 

[MMC]

i despise the term "rebuilding" when talking about the current ducks team....a rebuild shouldnt take 6+ years....they "have" the players and if they don't then they another 7+ years out.....at a certain point it just becomes a excuse to be piss poor....we are RAPIDLY approaching the Edmonton years of having to trade these guys off to try and salvage something but the problem is we don't have a mcdavid to bail us out.....PV should be doing everything he can to get this team to win and expecting them win, because another year of "development" or "rebuilding" is only hurting the team.

why can we watch players leave the ducks and go to other team and become the players we had hoped they would be?....its a cultural issue IMO and as much as I thought Monty would have been a great fit here I don't blame PV for not wanting to commit that, but he is slow playing some master plan he has IMO and its very egotistical, the worst part is he can get away with it because there is no accountability to fans of the ducks because the media cover this team don't ask/demand answers. why are coaches the only ones who bear the burden of underperforming? PV should be feeling the temp getting hotter and hotter, but I know he feels ZERO pressure to make this team win.......it sucks being a ducks fan sometimes.

"Should" is irrelevant unless you just feel like making yourself miserable, sometimes shit happens, like one GM taking a few years to rebuild, having to resign due to alcoholism, and then being replaced by a new GM with an entirely different philosophy on how he wants to rebuild the team

 

[robbieboy3686]

We went after Pat Verbeek for his lack of signings in the offseason until we found out the contracts that were handed out to guys like Stamkos and Marchessault. And now, I feel like we're doing the same with Greg Cronin and Jim Montgomery. At the very least, can we wait until the end of this season to really rate the team's coaching staff in general? There's no telling how Montgomery's going to perform with the Blues and a 5 year contract is a heck of a commitment for someone who's barely lasted 2 years in his last 2 jobs.

Coaches are hired to be fired so who knows what coaches would be available by the time Cronin's contract is up.

Srsly I’m hoping the hurricanes get tko the first round and we pickup their fired head coach

 

[Hockey Duckie]

"Should" is irrelevant unless you just feel like making yourself miserable, sometimes shit happens, like one GM taking a few years to rebuild, having to resign due to alcoholism, and then being replaced by a new GM with an entirely different philosophy on how he wants to rebuild the team

You mean a new GM who catfished the Ducks into resetting the rebuild by razing the Ducks to the ground. Sometimes shit happens in bunches.

From Detroit News after Verbeek was hired in Feb 2022:

Named general manager of the Anaheim Ducks on Thursday, Verbeek is going to an organization in third place in the Pacific Division, in a wild-card spot, and past the early stages of the rebuild phase.​

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"This team doesn't need to be rebuilt; they're in the middle of their rebuild, so this is a great opportunity to take this team forward and turn them into a contender," Verbeek said during his introductory press conference. "You don't have to come in there and look to take a long time. There's good players in the NHL, good players in the minors and there are players that have been drafted. There's a lot coming to support the growth of this team. That's truly what I'm excited about."​

From the Athletic on Oct 2022:

“It’s not fair … me coming in two, three months and then going with a new guy,” Verbeek said. “And in the sense that I just blew up the team (at the trade deadline). So I wanted to give him a chance. And it gave us an opportunity to get to know one another over the course of the offseason.​