Speculation: 2024-25 Coaching/Management/Ownership

[Anaheim4ever]

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/20/cnbc-official-nhl-team-valuations-2024.html

This is interesting. Seems like the team is doing quite well financially. I’m a bit surprised that our valuation is ahead of SJ even if slightly - probably has to do with them being in the cellar for a while.

And the Sharks don't have to share Northern California with any other teams as the only team for people to follow up there is the Sharks. The Ducks have to compete with the Kings in Socal, a person either becomes a Ducks or Kings fan. I don't see San Francisco getting a NHL team any time soon so they'll have Nor Cal to themselves forever.

I honestly wonder what happens with Oakland Athletics fans, if they switch over to the San Francisco Giants or support the Athletics in Vegas.

 

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https://x.com/i/web/status/1858999968889270662

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

So, who is Andrew Knoll?

 

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https://x.com/i/web/status/1859000540593877351

https://x.com/i/web/status/1859001258876825969

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Ok, I see, Andrew Knoll is Cronin’s agent.

 

[Mr Rogers]

So, who is Andrew Knoll?

I think a local reporter. He’s at all the home postgame scrums.

 

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https://x.com/i/web/status/1859001589367009435

So, who is Andrew Knoll?

Works for the daily news. He broke some things in the offseason, so he isn't some blogger.

 

[KelVarnsen]

Love the part where Knoll says Cronin's system is modern tactically. So when is chasing the puck all around the d zone and dumping it in the O zone and expecting smaller players to fish it out of the corner modern? I acutally wonder if Knoll even pays much attention to the Ducks? I know it says hockey reporter for the LA Daily news but that usually means he watches the Kings LOL.

 

[robbieboy3686]

Love the part where Knoll says Cronin's system is modern tactically. So when is chasing the puck all around the d zone and dumping it in the O zone and expecting smaller players to fish it out of the corner modern? I acutally wonder if Knoll even pays much attention to the Ducks? I know it says hockey reporter for the LA Daily news but that usually means he watches the Kings LOL.

This dude has at least tried to share more insight than an entire decade( or however long it’s been) of that hack Stephen’s breaking insights

 

[Reveille1984]

Love the part where Knoll says Cronin's system is modern tactically. So when is chasing the puck all around the d zone and dumping it in the O zone and expecting smaller players to fish it out of the corner modern? I acutally wonder if Knoll even pays much attention to the Ducks? I know it says hockey reporter for the LA Daily news but that usually means he watches the Kings LOL.

He's talking about Cronin's ultra fresh new and improved system he secretly implemented three days ago obviously

 

[Firequacker]

I don't put a lot of stock in either side of this. The players aren't going to tell a team reporter if they hate their coach's guts, but there's no evidence the Chiclets guys have anything but thirdhand hearsay if that. And it's ultimately a little bit of a sideshow, players can love bad coaches or hate good ones. It's not really make or break in itself (unless the coach is being genuinely abusive.)

But what in the bug-eyed name of Wild Wing does "He has shifted his approach to value players individually." actually mean? Does it mean he needed over a year on the job to realize the players weren't interchangeable cogs to be hammered into any old machine? It would explain the attempt to impose dump and chase on this roster, I guess. Does it mean he (not unlike Verbeek sometimes) was treating them like it's a video game where the human element simply doesn't matter? Team morale and confidence are actually very important.
I legitimately don't see any way to frame that sentence as a positive thing. Oh good, he's finally learned his players are individuals, I'm glad the player development coach eventually figured that out.

This seems like a theme.
—It took him two months to figure out you shouldn't have warmups then sit around being talked at for an hour before actually practicing. (This is comparatively small, yeah, but it's such a weird thing to have ever been doing in the first place.)
—He backed off for 20 games of "see what the players do when they're left to figure it out on their own" but somehow still showed up to camp with a system that was an obviously poor fit for his roster. He changed it ~15 games in, great, but that's still nearly half a season worth of games (and a training camp) of poorly utilized coaching and development.
—He's had to shift to valuing his players as individuals? Whatever exactly that means.

This guy is supposed to be doing the teaching. How many more extended learning arcs is he going to need, and what impact is it having on the players he's supposed to develop? IMO that's the most important question, not how much the players like him or how many games they've won.

 

[ZegrassyKnoll]

My biggest takeaway is the word "averred" - never seen it before.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Knoll is more than entitled to his opinion. But given how little we ever hear from him, I don't find him any more credible than all the other speculation floating around. And given things that players themselves have publicly stated, one would have a hard time convincing me there aren't some serious issue going on between multiple players and Cronin.

 

[Mr Rogers]

Knoll is more than entitled to his opinion. But given how little we ever hear from him, I don't find him any more credible than all the other speculation floating around. And given things that players themselves have publicly stated, one would have a hard time convincing me there aren't some serious issue going on between multiple players and Cronin.

I agree. It’s in Knoll’s professional interest as well to maintain a good relationship with Cronin.

 

[TheDarkWingThatDucks]

I agree. It’s in Knoll’s professional interest as well to maintain a good relationship with Cronin.

As it’s probably in splitting chicklets professional interest, to say things that generate more engagement and clicks no ?

 

[CrazyDuck4u]

So what has Cronin changed system wise? I've noticed they don't play man on man anymore.

 

[Ducks DVM]

So what has Cronin changed system wise? I've noticed they don't play man on man anymore.

There’s been exponentially more entering the zone with possession and far far less just dump it to the corner where you’re never getting it back.

 

[Mr Rogers]

As it’s probably in splitting chicklets professional interest, to say things that generate more engagement and clicks no ?

Sure but we were talking about Knoll

 

[potatopieee]

So what has Cronin changed system wise? I've noticed they don't play man on man anymore.

d zone is less passive

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

As it’s probably in splitting chicklets professional interest, to say things that generate more engagement and clicks no ?

Sure, but what they say seems to align with a lot of other things we’ve been hearing and seeing. OTOH, Knoll’s take seems to be just the opposite with nobody or any actions backing it up. But we’re all free to believe what makes the most sense to each of us.

 

[TheDarkWingThatDucks]

Sure but we were talking about Knoll

And two days ago or whatever it was, people on this thread were talking about Whitney and the boys as if, it was evidence, it wouldn’t hold up in court, but probably true…. It was confirmation bias, and knoll’s says some barely even positive remarks about Cronin ….. in response to the splitting chicklets podcast most likely. And you immediately point out how it’s in his professional interest to instead of doing his job and reporting the facts, it is to paint the coach in a positive manner in order to gain access. Which then in theory turns all media people into (which most are) untrustworthy mouthpieces for some ulterior motive.

I really don’t even care all that much, just pointing out the logical fallacy in your statement about why knoll’s should be taken with a grain of salt, while you didn’t do the same for the VERY negative story said by guys, of whom ZERO said they had firsthand insider knowledge…. (Even though you said you believed it was said from players presently in the locker room, and current). Really like I said I don’t really care even if these 8 paragraphs say differently….. just wanted to let you know I think you used confirmation bias to believe what you wanted and poke holes in something I could best describe as not totally negative.

 

[Mr Rogers]

And two days ago or whatever it was, people on this thread were talking about Whitney and the boys as if, it was evidence, it wouldn’t hold up in court, but probably true…. It was confirmation bias, and knoll’s says some barely even positive remarks about Cronin ….. in response to the splitting chicklets podcast most likely. And you immediately point out how it’s in his professional interest to instead of doing his job and reporting the facts, it is to paint the coach in a positive manner in order to gain access. Which then in theory turns all media people into (which most are) untrustworthy mouthpieces for some ulterior motive.

I really don’t even care all that much, just pointing out the logical fallacy in your statement about why knoll’s should be taken with a grain of salt, while you didn’t do the same for the VERY negative story said by guys, of whom ZERO said they had firsthand insider knowledge…. (Even though you said you believed it was said from players presently in the locker room, and current). Really like I said I don’t really care even if these 8 paragraphs say differently….. just wanted to let you know I think you used confirmation bias to believe what you wanted and poke holes in something I could best describe as not totally negative.

Thanks for the lesson. I'll try to behave better for you next time. You sure do seem to care quite a bit for some reason despite saying you don't

 

[TheDarkWingThatDucks]

Thanks for the lesson. I'll try to behave better for you next time. You sure do seem to care quite a bit for some reason despite saying you don't

I can only ask you try! Thank you so much for acknowledging your transgressions and attempting to correct your future actions. Takes a big man, probably one who has a neighborhood, first’s name is Steve, or my personal favorite a framed rabbit.

I hope you know I’m joking, but really my caring is more just I’m one of the few people here who is definitely Pro Verbeek and probably legitimately the only person who is pro Cronin (even if I don’t see him as a long term solution while we are a playoff team). So just frustrating at times to watch this thread bend over backwards to confirm things that badmouth our coaching and mgmt / and then try to poke holes into anything slightly positive. Although you don’t seem that bad from what I’ve seen, just pointing out why I may care a little.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Offense is the best defense .

I recall a previous coach who had a similar thought... hmmmm....

 

[Mr Rogers]

I can only ask you try! Thank you so much for acknowledging your transgressions and attempting to correct your future actions. Takes a big man, probably one who has a neighborhood, first’s name is Steve, or my personal favorite a framed rabbit.

I hope you know I’m joking, but really my caring is more just I’m one of the few people here who is definitely Pro Verbeek and probably legitimately the only person who is pro Cronin (even if I don’t see him as a long term solution while we are a playoff team). So just frustrating at times to watch this thread bend over backwards to confirm things that badmouth our coaching and mgmt / and then try to poke holes into anything slightly positive. Although you don’t seem that bad from what I’ve seen, just pointing out why I may care a little.

I literally said earlier today that the SC guys might be exaggerating what they hear, mischaracterizing things or are flat out wrong and that they are gossipy. So ive been skeptical of both them and Knoll. The only thing that i feel more confident about is that Whit was referring to the current situation, which I don’t think should even be debatable based on what came out of his mouth.

So I don’t think I’m biased here really, but you kind of are and even sort of admitted as such. I’m not sure we even really disagree but if we do, a2d.