Speculation: 2024-25 Coaching/Management/Ownership

[Mr Rogers]

And Forsberg also scored a lot of goals when they needed them. If he'd been goal-focused, no question he could have been a 40+ goal guy.

You know around the draft, I recall saying if Leo turned out to be the next Sundin or Forsberg no one would question the pick. Obviously that's high expectations, perhaps unreasonable even.

But in a way, I'm starting to see his comparable as a hybrid of the two. Sundin's size and speed combo was rare, but Leo has some of that. Forsberg's 200ft game, IQ, and playmaking, yeah he's got huge potential for that. He even kind of gets similar type goals. And of course his pet shootout move is very Forsberg-ian. The one thing he lacks is maybe Forsberg's raw physicality, but if he develops everything else then that's okay.

I think offensively he looks a little more like Forsberg to me but yes his size and his ability to skate thru players is kind of like Sundin.

 

[shach1]

I don't remember who it was but someone on here compared Fantilli to Jeff Carter.

I can see that. Fast Shoot First guy with not great playmaking.

I think that fits well.

 

[AngelDuck]

I don't remember who it was but someone on here compared Fantilli to Jeff Carter.

I can see that. Fast Shoot First guy with not great playmaking.

I think that fits well.

I think that was me before the draft lol.

It still seems like a pretty solid comp. Carter played in a really depressed scoring era. He would have been a 90+ point guy in today’s game easily. He was a great player

 

[91Fedorov]

So... today's our last game. I may be delusional, but I'm really hoping there's a "relieved of his duties" announcement being made tomorrow!

 

[HanSolo]

I can't handle all this improvement

 

[Ducks DVM]

I can't handle all this improvement

Month 6 was a good month for the entire state of California.

 

[HanSolo]

Month 6 was a good month for the entire state of California.

You mean 5?

 

[Anaheim4ever]

The players who will become elite will get there even with an idiot coach, thus being idiot proof. Leo Carlsson seems to be that guy who will become elite 1C regardless if his coach is an complete idiot.

I saw this with the Angels with how Mike Trout was not effected by the Angels idiot hitting coaches or managers. Same with Troy Glaus who was a selective patient hitter wasn't effect by mickey hatcher the over aggressive style hitting coach who wants them to swing at every pitch.

 

[70sSanO]

I’ve posted this before that without Gauthier, Fantilli would have been the better choice.

Having both Fantilli and Gauthier is not as good as Carlsson and Gauthier.

John

 

[cheesymc]

I can't handle all this improvement

 

[S.S. Giggy]

I’ve posted this before that without Gauthier, Fantilli would have been the better choice.

Having both Fantilli and Gauthier is not as good as Carlsson and Gauthier.

John

I would disagree here. Cutter's tools and skillsets better complement Leo's over Fantilli's in terms of redundancy. There's a lot of overlap between Fantilli and Cutter in the sense that they're both shoot-first guys that can motor. Leo could actually play as the natural distributor over Cutter and Fantilli both playing similar roles on the same line. You'd pretty much have to split Cutter and Fantilli up and put them on two different lines. Cutter could, theoretically, pair with Zegras but you can't pair McTavish with Fantilli because of the overlap and redundancy in skillsets and overall player makeup.

 

[70sSanO]

I would disagree here. Cutter's tools and skillsets better complement Leo's over Fantilli's in terms of redundancy. There's a lot of overlap between Fantilli and Cutter in the sense that they're both shoot-first guys that can motor. Leo could actually play as the natural distributor over Cutter and Fantilli both playing similar roles on the same line. You'd pretty much have to split Cutter and Fantilli up and put them on two different lines. Cutter could, theoretically, pair with Zegras but you can't pair McTavish with Fantilli because of the overlap and redundancy in skillsets and overall player makeup.

That is what I said.

Carlsson and Gauthier is better than Fantilli and Gauthier.

But if we never got Gauthier, then Fantilli may have been a better pick than Carlsson.

Right now Fantilli has a better shot and is more physical. He could be paired with Zegras or McTavish. But getting Gauthier changed everything since he and Leo are great together.

John

 

[LuGBuG]

I’ve posted this before that without Gauthier, Fantilli would have been the better choice.

Having both Fantilli and Gauthier is not as good as Carlsson and Gauthier.

John

Disagree. I truly believe Carlsson is going to be a top 5-10 player in the league for a long time.

 

[anezthes]

Wishlist:
- Fire Cronin and the rest of the coaching staff to the moon—except the goalie coaches; they can stay.
- Give McTavish an 8-year contract—anything under $10M is fine with me.
- Get rid of Gudas, Johnston, and Trouba—they're not nearly physical enough to make up for their awful play.
- Trade Strome or buy him out.
- Get some roided-up Coglianos in here who’ll skate and hit everything. No more stopping just short and waving your stick around when you have an opportunity to finish a check.

 

[Hey234]

Wishlist:
- Fire Cronin and the rest of the coaching staff to the moon—except the goalie coaches; they can stay.
- Give McTavish an 8-year contract—anything under $10M is fine with me.
- Get rid of Gudas, Johnston, and Trouba—they're not nearly physical enough to make up for their awful play.
- Trade Strome or buy him out.
- Get some roided-up Coglianos in here who’ll skate and hit everything. No more stopping just short and waving your stick around when you have an opportunity to finish a check.

Agree on the coaches, they need to go except for goalie coaches of course. Verbeek was pretty clear about preferring bridge contracts and that's what I'm expecting. Gudas and Trouba are going no where until the trade deadline IMO. I agree Strome needs to go though. He doesn't fit the team, and he takes too many shifts off. I don't think the Ducks need more bottom 6 players. They need more top 6 to push people down.

 

[FiveTacos]

- Get rid of Gudas, Johnston, and Trouba—they're not nearly physical enough to make up for their awful play.

Can live with Trouba for now. You can't just run out 6 young guys on D. Gudas can go though, and his cap hit is low enough that I suspect we could find a good buyer this summer.

- Trade Strome or buy him out.

I'm okay with it if he's our 3rd line RW, and not on the PP anymore.

 

[Deuce22]

People saying keep such and such vet, just move him down in the lineup or off the PP must not have watched the Ducks much. Cronin won't do that. He either has to go or his vet toys have to be taken away.

 

[Leonardo87]

I'm willing to stomach Cronin one more season if they can fix the special teams. Get new assistants and just someone who knows what they are doing and maybe has more NHL experience than Cronin. Why? Because I expect Cronin to be fired midway through if it's the same crap next year. Would be nice to have an interim coach who can at least maybe turn things around if Cronin is gone midway.

By Jan next year, they need to be in a playoff spot. Divisional preferred but a WC will be fine. Still so much work that needs to be done. Verbeek needs to bring in more support. It's not enough now. The kids can only grow so much.

It's time to stop screwing around and get back into the playoffs. They didn't get eliminated till like the 1st week of April, next year they need to squeeze into a spot. Anything short is failure.

 

[KelVarnsen]

People saying keep such and such vet, just move him down in the lineup or off the PP must not have watched the Ducks much. Cronin won't do that. He either has to go or his vet toys have to be taken away.

Yep. He is your classic unexperienced/bad coach who says to himself, "This vets have been in the league and should know how to play so I better plat them more."

Its is really a bad attitude for an allegedly developing team. Scratching young players in the last few meaningless games is crazy town. If the team was truly trying to develop younger players, they would not have missed a game and veteran defenders would not be playing so much. I mean Strome on the PP over Cutter is nuts. Cronin is just a bad coach who needs to go.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Hockey Duckie I laughed at this because I found it funny. But….. Me to say 2-3 years in the future is close, and for you to make a joke about the word close….. When every other post of yours mentions the 2021 -2022 Ducks season is just the least self aware thing I have ever seen.

Dude that seasonwas 2-3 years ago, that was SUCH a long time ago, why would that even matter. Stop living in the past, live in the NOW!

Apparently, you are still psychologically messed to want to deflect on your faux pas of "close = a few years". And then you want to create a separate post to "explain" your laughing emoji is truly revealing about your current psychological makeup. This is your second attempt to get my attn is giving off vibes of "Look at me. Give me attn, damnit!"

History is factual. It gives us a standard to compare objectively. Some people don't like history and facts b/c it ruins their agenda. A majority of people forgot we were 3rd in the Pacific in 2021-22, then Verbeek blew it up. This year's team possessed more talent depth than the 2021-22 team, but this head coach doesn't possess the ability to elevate team play. But you wouldn't know that since history and facts can't bother someone who doesn't know that "close" and "a few years away" do not mean the same thing.

 

[zegrassyknoll]

Wishlist:
- Fire Cronin and the rest of the coaching staff to the moon—except the goalie coaches; they can stay.
- Give McTavish an 8-year contract—anything under $10M is fine with me.
- Get rid of Gudas, Johnston, and Trouba—they're not nearly physical enough to make up for their awful play.
- Trade Strome or buy him out.
- Get some roided-up Coglianos in here who’ll skate and hit everything. No more stopping just short and waving your stick around when you have an opportunity to finish a check.

What's crazy is that just over a month ago people were praising Strome and his contract.

I think this month was the worst stretch of hockey he has played with us, maybe the worst in his career. I'm willing to give him an opportunity to bounce back but somebody needs to sit him and Vatrano down this off-season and get them to sort their shit out. They were both absolutely putrid to end the season.

 

[Deuce22]

What's crazy is that just over a month ago people were praising Strome and his contract.

I think this month was the worst stretch of hockey he has played with us, maybe the worst in his career. I'm willing to give him an opportunity to bounce back but somebody needs to sit him and Vatrano down this off-season and get them to sort their shit out. They were both absolutely putrid to end the season.

Strome is blocking Colangelo and keeping Cutter off the PP. His presence on the roster is taking minutes away from younger players who are better than him. This is the issue. Our coach disburses playing time based on service time, not effectiveness.

 

[zegrassyknoll]

Strome is blocking Colangelo and keeping Cutter off the PP. His presence on the roster is taking minutes away from younger players who are better than him. This is the issue. Our coach disburses playing time based on service time, not effectiveness.

Agreed, but that is on the coach and not on him. I'm totally fine with shipping him off but I don't see it happening.

 

[Deuce22]

Apparently, you are still psychologically messed to want to deflect on your faux pas of "close = a few years". And then you want to create a separate post to "explain" your laughing emoji is truly revealing about your current psychological makeup. This is your second attempt to get my attn is giving off vibes of "Look at me. Give me attn, damnit!"

History is factual. It gives us a standard to compare objectively. Some people don't like history and facts b/c it ruins their agenda. A majority of people forgot we were 3rd in the Pacific in 2021-22, then Verbeek blew it up. This year's team possessed more talent depth than the 2021-22 team, but this head coach doesn't possess the ability to elevate team play. But you wouldn't know that since history and facts can't bother someone who doesn't know that "close" and "a few years away" do not mean the same thing.

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Serious question. If Verbeek would have resigned Lindholm, Rakell, and Manson, where would the Ducks be right now? No Leo for sure, probably no Mintyukov or Sennecke. You always speak of the "blow up" as a negative, but was it really? That team wasn't contending for a cup. Sure, they would have been better in the short term, but long term more mediocrity probably.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Yeah Leo is fine. Hoping for some continued progression with him and Cutter next season but that’ll depend on certain things..

Fantilli can be fun to watch too. As someone who was excited for that draft, I can be happy as well that he is having a good season in his own way. 30 goals is huge, just needs to round out the rest of his game

The more research I do on the prospects before the draft, you kinda pull for all of them to succeed. Sure, I got a preference, but you never know who the Ducks will draft. I was fortunate on speculating on drafting Mac, Minty, and Carlsson. Sennecke is the one that threw everyone by surprise and it took me a lot of post-draft research to be comfy with the pick (especially listening to Brad Allen from Hockey Prospect). My thinking is the more prospects that succeed at the NHL level, then the level of play will be great to watch and experience for all of the NHL.

Fantilli hitting 30 goals is a significant accomplishment in his second season in the NHL. Carlsson's time at the 4 Nations did his mentality some good and we were able to see him unleashed from Cronin's mental coaching shackles.