GDT: 2024-2025 Training Camp

[CheckingLineCenter]

What year was that? That bloke isn't getting an S4 for 25k unless it's used with high mileage. Otherwise after taxes that's closer to 60-65k.

He’s saying the guy dropped ~50 and the “asset” is worth like half a week later haha

 

[Honour Over Glory]

He’s saying the guy dropped ~50 and the “asset” is worth like half a week later haha

I mean depends on which year he got it, 50 is either cheap or too much. But it could be worse, he could have bought a Maserati. Now those comically depreciate the moment you drive off the Lot.

 

[The Old Master]

Just answer the question. Who's making the team over Poulin that's putting Poulin on waivers?



I'd rather waive Puljujarvi because I think Poulin is a bit more likely to be claimed than Puljujarvi, even though I think both are pretty unlikely to be claimed.

if the team is planning to move out some players for picks, they should keep both.

 

[lokomotiv15]

What year was that? That bloke isn't getting an S4 for 25k unless it's used with high mileage. Otherwise after taxes that's closer to 60-65k.

Think he signed the year after he got drafted and he didn't get drafted our first year of eligibility so I'm going to guess in 2010. So it was probably a 2011. He bought it new cash for around 50K, and then depreciated that much as soon as he drove it off the lot.

Apparently all the guys on his team ripped him for not leasing or buying a 1 year cert pre-owned. Fair enough, I guess.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Think he signed the year after he got drafted and he didn't get drafted our first year of eligibility so I'm going to guess in 2010. So it was probably a 2011. He bought it new cash for around 50K, and then depreciated that much as soon as he drove it off the lot.

Apparently all the guys on his team ripped him for not leasing or buying a 1 year cert pre-owned. Fair enough, I guess.

Yeah that sounds about right for that time. What a wanker.

 

[lokomotiv15]

dude paid cash?

Yeah at least go RS line if you’re gonna blow that $ on an Audi

Yep. He paid cash, all the guys in Houston when he first got it were getting into him about it. Guess all the A guys just bought one year pre-owned and leased back then. Which does make sense, but I think he was fulfilling a 4 year desire with that one. But agreed, or at least an S7 if you're gonna keep it in the S family.

 

[SEALBound]

Again, who are they going to waive Poulin for? Who's making the team as a 14th forward over Poulin that's going to make Poulin hit waivers?

The only competition for the extra forward spots are Puustinen, Poulin, Puljujarvi and Bemstrom, unless McGroarty makes the team.

In an ideal world? Acciari.

I think Bemstrom is 1000% going to WBS. Puustinen, Poulin, and Puljujarvi is a camp/PS battle that is still going on. I'd rather waive and risk losing Acciari than any one of them. Trading out Eller or Acciari also helps open up the space needed.

That all said, it's not like any one of them is a staple in the lineup. I mean, say you waive both Poulin and Puljujarvi and both get claim, your next call ups are McGroarty and Pono. Is that a bad thing?

 

[Empoleon8771]

In an ideal world? Acciari.

I think Bemstrom is 1000% going to WBS. Puustinen, Poulin, and Puljujarvi is a camp/PS battle that is still going on. I'd rather waive and risk losing Acciari than any one of them. Trading out Eller or Acciari also helps open up the space needed.

That all said, it's not like any one of them is a staple in the lineup. I mean, say you waive both Poulin and Puljujarvi and both get claim, your next call ups are McGroarty and Pono. Is that a bad thing?

No, I'm asking who makes the team above Poulin that will result in Poulin getting put on waivers.

The only guy is McGroarty, which is possible but unlikely. No one else makes sense to keep around as a 14th forward over Poulin, outside of possibly Puljujarvi.

 

[lokomotiv15]

Yeah that sounds about right for that time. What a wanker.

If he wasn't a wanker for that, he definitely was for trading it a year later for a brand new lifted Wrangler

In the spirit of the training camp discussion, it really is crazy how little money you can make on a two-way contract if you're down in the A and I find it answers the question when anybody asks "Why is he crashing the net in a 6-1 exhibition game", or "Why is this guy throwing massive hits in a blow-out pre-season game?" When the difference in my yearly salary is 750K in the show or 67,500 in the minors, I would have run through my grandma playing bocce ball back then to stick in the league.

 

[SEALBound]

No, I'm asking who makes the team above Poulin that will result in Poulin getting put on waivers.

The only guy is McGroarty, which is possible but unlikely. No one else makes sense to keep around as a 14th forward over Poulin, outside of possibly Puljujarvi.

Ah, I gotcha.

DOC-Eller-Glass
Hayes-Lizotte-Acciari

That leaves Puusty, Poulin, Puljujarvi. So yeah, if a bottom 6 guy goes down, Poulin steps in. If a top 6 guy goes down Puustinen steps in which I believe what you were saying. Really, it comes down to Poulin vs Puljujarvi and that's a tough call. Honestly, I think I keep Puljujarvi.

What I was saying is you simply waive Acciari before Poulin or Puljujarvi.

Hayes-Lizotte-Poulin/Puljujarvi would be just fine as a 4th line.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Yep. He paid cash, all the guys in Houston when he first got it were getting into him about it. Guess all the A guys just bought one year pre-owned and leased back then. Which does make sense, but I think he was fulfilling a 4 year desire with that one. But agreed, or at least an S7 if you're gonna keep it in the S family.

If he wasn't a wanker for that, he definitely was for trading it a year later for a brand new lifted Wrangler

In the spirit of the training camp discussion, it really is crazy how little money you can make on a two-way contract if you're down in the A and I find it answers the question when anybody asks "Why is he crashing the net in a 6-1 exhibition game", or "Why is this guy throwing massive hits in a blow-out pre-season game?" When the difference in my yearly salary is 750K in the show or 67,500 in the minors, I would have run through my grandma playing bocce ball back then to stick in the league.

my first bonus was less than 1/5th of what I thought it would be. I was so confused then finally someone pointed out it was prorated. And withheld at much more than the 22% I expected because they mixed it in with my regular pay. One of the most deflating mornings of my life

Worst part is I left the place after a year and got crushed on proration again at the next gig. Took like 3 years to get a full bonus

And my degree and prior work experience was in accounting lmao. I should’ve known. So don’t blame the jocks for tossing some $ around carelessly haha

 

[Randy Butternubs]

And my degree and prior work experience was in accounting lmao. I should’ve known. So don’t blame the jocks for tossing some $ around carelessly haha

Where's your version of CapFriendly???

 

[Pancakes]

I kinda doubt McGroarty makes the team right out of camp based on what I saw in his first preseason game. He didn't look bad and he did some nice things but he looked like a guy to me that could use some AHL games before being thrown to the wolves.

He didn't always look like he was ready for the pace of play.

Puustinen looked good and it will be dumb if the Pens lose him for nothing.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

I kinda doubt McGroarty makes the team right out of camp based on what I saw in his first preseason game. He didn't look bad and he did some nice things but he looked like a guy to me that could use some AHL games before being thrown to the wolves.

He didn't always look like he was ready for the pace of play.

Puustinen looked good and it will be dumb if the Pens lose him for nothing.

"The thing that makes this trade a real winner for the Penguins is McGroaty is NHL ready and Yager is not."

lol - ah well... still lots of camp left. I guess.

 

[Pancakes]

"The thing that makes this trade a real winner for the Penguins is McGroaty is NHL ready and Yager is not."

lol - ah well... still lots of camp left. I guess.

Well, I do think McGroarty is closer to the NHL than Yager is. Him being a year older and more physically mature are both significant.

But immediately NHL ready? Yeah I don't know. Happy to be proven wrong if he adapts over the course of preseason/camp.

 

[Andy99]

I kinda doubt McGroarty makes the team right out of camp based on what I saw in his first preseason game. He didn't look bad and he did some nice things but he looked like a guy to me that could use some AHL games before being thrown to the wolves.

He didn't always look like he was ready for the pace of play.

Puustinen looked good and it will be dumb if the Pens lose him for nothing.

Completely agree…the other thing that irks me is that he’s the only prospect getting chances with NHL players…I thought both Broz and Pono looked as good at varying times in camp/games as he has tbh…again, this is Sullivan predetermining things and it’s stupid…there shouldn’t be anything predetermined when it comes to assessing players for spots who have less than 10 games of NHL experience and no outside status (like draft position) should be considered…but again this is not an open process and you can thank the coach for that lol…who it really hurts is the team overall…I mean Puusty looked good last season for 50 NHL games and he’s not getting the benefit of his experience but Glass is? Come on dude lol

 

[steelcityassault]

Well, I do think McGroarty is closer to the NHL than Yager is. Him being a year older and more physically mature are both significant.

But immediately NHL ready? Yeah I don't know. Happy to be proven wrong if he adapts over the course of preseason/camp.

Apparently he's been watching closely to get the systems down etc and focusing on the two-way / defensive side of stuff. I think offensively he'll be fine

 

[Pancakes]

Apparently he's been watching closely to get the systems down etc and focusing on the two-way / defensive side of stuff. I think offensively he'll be fine

Offensively I thought he did look fine. His forechecking was solid and he made good reads there.

It was more his defensive/neutral zone reads and his ability to quickly transition up the ice that worried me. Part of that was physical (his weak skating) but part of that was I think him just not being ready for that pace of play yet. That is something that can be learned of course.

 

[Andy99]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1838584151483568408

Can’t be…everyone told me he was washed lol

 

[Empoleon8771]

Is there any actual source that has Puustinen as a threat of going on waivers or is it just something this board has convinced itself that is a likely possibility?

I'll admit, I don't really understand why they don't view him as one of their 12 best forwards. The goal scoring was a bit lacking, but I really liked his forechecking on some of the clips I've watched and he was a good playmaker. But going from "he's not on L3, so he's going to be waived" is a pretty huge jump that this board has seemingly decided was reality.

 

[Malkinstheman]

Is there any actual source that has Puustinen as a threat of going on waivers or is it just something this board has convinced itself that is a likely possibility?

I'll admit, I don't really understand why they don't view him as one of their 12 best forwards. The goal scoring was a bit lacking, but I really liked his forechecking on some of the clips I've watched and he was a good playmaker. But going from "he's not on L3, so he's going to be waived" is a pretty huge jump that this board has seemingly decided was reality.

I think is just a reasonable assumption based on the wings that are already on the team. First 3 wingers are likely Rust/Rakell/Glass or Lizzote. That leaves the 4RW. Puusty getting the spot over a PKer and "defensive" minded player like Acciairi doesnt seem likely.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I think is just a reasonable assumption based on the wings that are already on the team. First 3 wingers are likely Rust/Rakell/Glass or Lizzote. That leaves the 4RW. Puusty getting the spot over a PKer and "defensive" minded player like Acciairi doesnt seem likely.

Not getting a spot in their top-12 =/= getting waived

Which is why I said "he's not on L3, so he's going to get waived" is a huge jump that I've really seen no basis for. That's why I keep asking "who's making the team if Puustinen/Poulin are getting waived?", and seemingly no one has given an answer for it.

I just can't see any roster setup that does not include Puustinen in one of their top-14 forwards, just because there is no one else that I can feasibly see beating him out. I think the only setup I could maybe squint and see is if they run with 13 F and 8 D and McGroarty makes the team.

I'm like 99% confident that they're going to be starting the year with:

Beauvillier-Crosby-Rust
Bunting-Malkin-Rakell
O'Connor-Eller-Glass
Hayes-Lizotte-Acciari
Puustinen-Poulin/Puljujarvi (brain tells me Poulin but I can see it either way)

Grzelcyk-Letang
Pettersson-Karlsson
Graves-St. Ivany
Aho

Jarry-Nedjelkovic

If McGroarty makes the team, I think he goes on L3 with O'Connor and Eller and Glass gets bumped to the 13th forward.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

If he wasn't a wanker for that, he definitely was for trading it a year later for a brand new lifted Wrangler

In the spirit of the training camp discussion, it really is crazy how little money you can make on a two-way contract if you're down in the A and I find it answers the question when anybody asks "Why is he crashing the net in a 6-1 exhibition game", or "Why is this guy throwing massive hits in a blow-out pre-season game?" When the difference in my yearly salary is 750K in the show or 67,500 in the minors, I would have run through my grandma playing bocce ball back then to stick in the league.

The next CBA needs to fix that imo, these players should not be making less than 150k on a 2-way contract. To put your body on the line and potentially have career ending injuries because tough guy dipshit in the AHL that has no life because he's a slow ass enforcer, decides to take a run at you, you aren't going to be happy that the 70k you get on a 2-way deal when you're down in the AHL, is all you've made per year before you got a fair shot.

 

[Andy99]

Why keep young players like Poulin and Puusty on the team just to never play them? The 13th and 14th forwards should be between Beau, Hayes, and Acciari…

 

[Honour Over Glory]

I think is just a reasonable assumption based on the wings that are already on the team. First 3 wingers are likely Rust/Rakell/Glass or Lizzote. That leaves the 4RW. Puusty getting the spot over a PKer and "defensive" minded player like Acciairi doesnt seem likely.

If Glass is in the first 3 wingers then I guess showing absolutely nothing gets you a roster spot in this coach's idiotic Accountability driven roster. Because there's no way Glass has played better than Puustinen and Puljujarvi and at this point, I wait to see what Lizotte does today before I even say he would stay over him.

As the saying goes he's been a "nothing burger" so far and going from the camp to the preseason game, flashes of Harkins isn't getting anyone but Sullivan excited.

Today's game vs the Sabres is filled with plugs from the Sabres side. I expect a lot of dirty hits and fights in this one. Also, interesting to see Rathbone and Prow there now, would be hilarious to see them score goals today even if it's just the preseason.