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[LOFIN]

Bednar's gameplan of skating faster and working harder doesn't work for Mitts.

Bednar needs to grab Mikko by the balls as well and tell him to grab a bigger role in driving that second line, once him and MacK play on different lines again. None of that has been on display this season, we know he can do it.

 

[The Merchant]

Bednar needs to grab Mikko by the balls as well and tell him to grab a bigger role in driving that second line, once him and MacK play on different lines again. None of that has been on display this season, we know he can do it.

They would require him to actually try and give effort consistently. An impossibility, one could say.

 

[Balthazar]

I still very much believe Mitts can pull it together at some point, we all saw how dynamic he was last year in the playoffs.

But unlike two weeks ago, I'm done with the "not the right message to demote him". Flat out, Pärssinen or Colton should play #2C tonight. It's up to Mitts to start working on the small details and figuring out his shit, and I don't have an issue if it starts from the 4th line.

Colton is bad too though...and Mitts KNOWS he's bad so it's not like he's going to learn a lesson if you sit him.

He needs someone to help him and I honestly don't think Bednar is that guy. Like I said in the previous post, telling Mitts to work harder isn't gonna lead anywhere. Speed and hard work is not part his game.

 

[LOFIN]

Colton is bad too though...and Mitts KNOWS he's bad so it's not like he's going to learn a lesson if you sit him.

He needs someone to help him and I honestly don't think Bednar is that guy. Like I said in the previous post, telling Mitts to work harder isn't gonna lead anywhere. Speed and hard work is not part his game.

It should be clear by now that Bednar, the coaching staff and the whole Avs hockey ops is ANYTHING but about "working and skating harder". They literally have a whole analytics team and every player has access to individual video sessions. They can literally put together a video for Mitts about what he was doing right previously, and what he's doing wrong now and show it to him, that's what guys like Walker were describing the Avs operation looks like.

It's up to him, to start doing things right. Bednar is not the guy who's yelling at guys to try harder. He might yell at guys to start doing the things the way they have been told and trained to do so.

 

[dahrougem2]

Colton is bad too though...and Mitts KNOWS he's bad so it's not like he's going to learn a lesson if you sit him.

He needs someone to help him and I honestly don't think Bednar is that guy. Like I said in the previous post, telling Mitts to work harder isn't gonna lead anywhere. Speed and hard work is not part his game.

This is why it's felt like Bednar and MacFarland haven't been on the same page for a few years now. Last year MacFarland went and got Bednar some crash-and-bang bottom six guys and Bednar neutered the f*** out of Trenin and Duhaime physically. He gets him a 2nd line center who since his draft has had major skating issues for a system designed solely for good-to-great skaters.

It doesn't make sense to me.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

I actually still like Mitts, but I really don't think he's going to last long in Bednar's system.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

 

[Pokecheque]

Team needs Mitts and Colton to play adequately, that's as simple as that. They were signed to play 2C and 3C respectively and they aren't doing it. We all know that Parker Kelly isn't a 3C in the NHL.

It's difficult for a line to have success when the center sucks ass.

Bednar is at least partially to blame for that though, when his system doesn't work with some players he needs to do his part and adjust accordingly.

Rightly or wrongly, it's on the head coach to try and make this work. I will say that even when he tried something different and put Mitts on the 4th line (and for one game at least, it worked), f***ing Nuke got hurt and so he had to put Colton back on the wing and Mitts back up there. He doesn't even have f***ing Ivan as a long-shot scoring line option.

I actually still like Mitts, but I really don't think he's going to last long in Bednar's system.

He thrived just fine in Bednar's system last year. Something else is going on.

My tin foil hat is still convinced whatever the f*** it is Adam Oates has him and MacKinnon doing, it may be working for Nate but it's totally got Mitts overthinking and micromanaging everything. That and the extended period where Mitts had literally no scoring wingers to pass to has him thinking he's gotta do it all himself and that's part of why he keeps forcing everything.

 

[Vaslof]

Oh yes you would. The problem you have is that you're looking through the eyes of a fan. You didn't grow up with the NHL as a realistic dream. You didn't bust you ass from childhood through adolescence going to early morning practices, hitting the gym, and making hockey your entire existence.

For the record, neither did I. But I tell you what, if I had, I'd be looking at my last chance to cash in, I'd take it. And so would you. And so would everyone else. Don't give me that "Five million a year would be enough" because I don't believe you. Sure, five million from where your standing is MORE than enough, but not from where they're sitting. Isn't it funny how the vast, vast majority of these players don't do that? There's a reason.

And it's funny you just conveniently forget he came in on a ridiculously cheap deal in the first place, which would further incentivize anyone in that position to grab the damn bag that summer.

This whole notion of "I'm going to take less so that the owner has more money to spend" is just one of many things us fans do that's plain silly. Their job is to be good at hockey and maximize their earnings. It's up to management to accommodate them and make adjustments accordingly. In the end that's their failure, not his.

Don't reflect your own values on someone else. Maybe you'd be one of those greedy rich assholes who always just want more. I am not.

As for Kadri, the management did play it perfectly be offering a good competitive offer that would let us have a team that can compete for the Stanley Cup. Kadri chose the max money. I never said I fault him for doing that. What I'm saying is that he doesn't want to be here so ducking get over it already.

 

[Pokecheque]

Don't reflect your own values on someone else. Maybe you'd be one of those greedy rich assholes who always just want more. I am not.

As for Kadri, the management did play it perfectly be offering a good competitive offer that would let us have a team that can compete for the Stanley Cup. Kadri chose the max money. I never said I fault him for doing that. What I'm saying is that he doesn't want to be here so ducking get over it already.

Nice try.

It has nothing to do with values. It has to do with perspective, and you're completely unwilling to accept the fact that yours would be radically different if you had grown up a star NHL player, and even if you had roughly the same values, you would not necessarily make all the same choices. The values of an NHL player are not just automatically different than working-class schlubs like you and me. So keep harping about how you'd take less money if you were in that position, it's still completely disingenuous.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

He thrived just fine in Bednar's system last year. Something else is going on.

My tin foil hat is still convinced whatever the f*** it is Adam Oates has him and MacKinnon doing, it may be working for Nate but it's totally got Mitts overthinking and micromanaging everything. That and the extended period where Mitts had literally no scoring wingers to pass to has him thinking he's gotta do it all himself and that's part of why he keeps forcing everything.

He hasn't been right since he got smoked carrying the puck across the blue line earlier this year. He was awesome, then got hit, and has been shit since.

 

[Pokecheque]

He hasn't been right since he got smoked carrying the puck across the blue line earlier this year. He was awesome, then got hit, and has been shit since.

Well...maybe it's an injury. I just watched that highlight reel and he was moving soooooo much faster in those clips than he is now.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

Well...maybe it's an injury. I just watched that highlight reel and he was moving soooooo much faster in those clips than he is now.

Broken melon

 

[Vaslof]

Nice try.

It has nothing to do with values. It has to do with perspective, and you're completely unwilling to accept the fact that yours would be radically different if you had grown up a star NHL player, and even if you had roughly the same values, you would not necessarily make all the same choices. The values of an NHL player are not just automatically different than working-class schlubs like you and me. So keep harping about how you'd take less money if you were in that position, it's still completely disingenuous.

True I wouldn't be the same person if I was born from different parents and lived a different life in a different environment. What I would do isn't even relevant to the discussion, you just brought it up to attack my person since you have no good argument here. You do not know shit about me, about who I am or what I'd do, so I recommend dropping that line of argument.

 

[Bender]

I actually still like Mitts, but I really don't think he's going to last long in Bednar's system.

I think he's injured or there is something going on with him that's really limiting him and he's trying to play through it cuz we have so many injuries already.

After the first month of the season, people were all jacked up saying we won the trade and that he was going to put up 70 points and all that.

Kind of like Toews wasn't the same and he was trying to play through it and a whole bunch of people here wanted him traded or were saying it was a bad contract. Now seems to be healthy and he's playing great.

I don't think the issue with Mitts is effort because he was great when we acquired him and through the first month-to-month and a half of the season - so it's not like he can't do it... he has it in him to be able to be that guy.

Maybe the 4 nations will give him some time off and give him a chance to heal and or get his game back.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

I think he's injured or there is something going on with him that's really limiting him and he's trying to play through it cuz we have so many injuries already.

After the first month of the season, people were all jacked up saying we won the trade and that he was going to put up 70 points and all that.

Kind of like Toews wasn't the same and he was trying to play through it and a whole bunch of people here wanted him traded or were saying it was a bad contract. Now seems to be healthy and he's playing great.

I don't think the issue with Mitts is effort because he was great when we acquired him and through the first month-to-month and a half of the season - so it's not like he can't do it... he has it in him to be able to be that guy.

Maybe the 4 nations will give him some time off and give him a chance to heal and or get his game back.

He needs to call Mark Grace and get hisself a slump buster

 

[Pokecheque]

True I wouldn't be the same person if I was born from different parents and lived a different life in a different environment. What I would do isn't even relevant to the discussion, you just brought it up to attack my person since you have no good argument here. You do not know shit about me, about who I am or what I'd do, so I recommend dropping that line of argument.

And you don't know shit about Kadri, who he is, or why he chose to cash in, so I recommend you drop THAT line of argument.

See how that works?

EDIT: FTR I ain't here to defend the character of Kadri or any other player, but I'm sick and tired of seeing people accuse a player of not being a "team guy" because they chose to cash in rather than take a not-insubstantial discount to stay. Anyone in that position would do the exact same thing.

Feel free to take it personal if you want--I'm not calling you out personally, just calling out that remark. Take it for what you will.

 

[sethro109]

Team needs Mitts and Colton to play adequately, that's as simple as that. They were signed to play 2C and 3C respectively and they aren't doing it. We all know that Parker Kelly isn't a 3C in the NHL.

It's difficult for a line to have success when the center sucks ass.

Bednar is at least partially to blame for that though, when his system doesn't work with some players he needs to do his part and adjust accordingly.

Colton still might be a perfectly fine 3C, but because JD, and Nuke are injured, we haven't seen that yet. Who else can we really bump up to the top 6 wing? No one other than Colton has shown any signs of success there. Kelly probably works as a 4C. That's not someone you expect more than 15-20 points from, and I feel like that's Kelly to a tee. The only real problem I see is injuries and Mitts turning into Compher 2.0.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Bednar's gameplan of skating faster and working harder doesn't work for Mitts.

I keep thinking about this.

On one hand, I think we’re ridiculous to think they’d even consider trading Mittelstadt given Colorado’s history. They never panic. They wait things out. They wait for guys to find their game. Think how many of us wanted Kadri gone. Think how many times Girard has escaped trade rumors.

But then on the other hand, does Bednar just say to management “whatever about this slump, this guy is never going to play with pace and he’s never going to be my type of player”. And if he does, how much weight does that hold?

 

[Balthazar]

lol I completely forgot that LOC's 6 year contract starts only next year.

 

[Vaslof]

And you don't know shit about Kadri, who he is, or why he chose to cash in, so I recommend you drop THAT line of argument.

See how that works?

EDIT: FTR I ain't here to defend the character of Kadri or any other player, but I'm sick and tired of seeing people accuse a player of not being a "team guy" because they chose to cash in rather than take a not-insubstantial discount to stay. Anyone in that position would do the exact same thing.

Feel free to take it personal if you want--I'm not calling you out personally, just calling out that remark. Take it for what you will.

It's been reported that Flames offered more money and that's why he chose to go there. Even if that's untrue, then he still decided to go there, not here. Whatever his reasons were, he did not want to be here. It's been like 3 years It's time to let go of the hockey ex who chose another woman.

And you don't know shit about Kadri, who he is, or why he chose to cash in, so I recommend you drop THAT line of argument.

See how that works?

EDIT: FTR I ain't here to defend the character of Kadri or any other player, but I'm sick and tired of seeing people accuse a player of not being a "team guy" because they chose to cash in rather than take a not-insubstantial discount to stay. Anyone in that position would do the exact same thing.

Feel free to take it personal if you want--I'm not calling you out personally, just calling out that remark. Take it for what you will.

It's been reported that Flames offered more money and that's why he chose to go there. Even if that's untrue, then he still decided to go there, not here. Whatever his reasons were, he did not want to be here. It's been like 3 years It's time to let go of the hockey ex who chose another woman.

And you don't know shit about Kadri, who he is, or why he chose to cash in, so I recommend you drop THAT line of argument.

See how that works?

EDIT: FTR I ain't here to defend the character of Kadri or any other player, but I'm sick and tired of seeing people accuse a player of not being a "team guy" because they chose to cash in rather than take a not-insubstantial discount to stay. Anyone in that position would do the exact same thing.

Feel free to take it personal if you want--I'm not calling you out personally, just calling out that remark. Take it for what you will.

It's been reported that Flames offered more money and that's why he chose to go there. Even if that's untrue, then he still decided to go there, not here. Whatever his reasons were, he did not want to be here. It's been like 3 years It's time to let go of the hockey ex who chose another woman.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

I keep thinking about this.

On one hand, I think we’re ridiculous to think they’d even consider trading Mittelstadt given Colorado’s history. They never panic. They wait things out. They wait for guys to find their game. Think how many of us wanted Kadri gone. Think how many times Girard has escaped trade rumors.

But then on the other hand, does Bednar just say to management “whatever about this slump, this guy is never going to play with pace and he’s never going to be my type of player”. And if he does, how much weight does that hold?

I'd think it would carry a lot of weight. Now whether that means I'd be looking to trade Mitts tomorrow or making a mental note to make sure to revisit this with Bednar privately during our next meeting so it won't be a surprise if it ends up on his end of season review is something I'll leave up to you to guess on.

Not every single player is going to be what Bednar thinks of as a dog. Can't afford a lineup like that. Nobody could... not even sure that are 18 skaters in the NHL that fit that bill. He has to learn to work with some players he considers less than prime. Mitts has a lot of tools. He needs to make it work. This is on Bednar just as much as it's on Mitts. He's the coach and Mitts needs coaching right now.

I'd suggest challenging the coach to actually do his f'in job (MacKinnon's words not mine) before we start trying to trade a guy we just spent Bo Byram on in order to obtain.

 

[The Abusement Park]

I keep thinking about this.

On one hand, I think we’re ridiculous to think they’d even consider trading Mittelstadt given Colorado’s history. They never panic. They wait things out. They wait for guys to find their game. Think how many of us wanted Kadri gone. Think how many times Girard has escaped trade rumors.

But then on the other hand, does Bednar just say to management “whatever about this slump, this guy is never going to play with pace and he’s never going to be my type of player”. And if he does, how much weight does that hold?

Well the issue is that he was actually outstanding in the playoffs last year. So they aren't going to move him based on a good history of his in CO.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

It's been reported that Flames offered more money and that's why he chose to go there. Even if that's untrue, then he still decided to go there, not here. Whatever his reasons were, he did not want to be here. It's been like 3 years It's time to let go of the hockey ex who chose another woman.

This is false, though.

Kadri waited for the Avs to trade EJ to Anaheim. EJ flip flopped on waiving his no trade clause for two weeks. He literally had the moving company booked at one point.

I posted that an Avs player had his bags packed ready to be traded a day or two before free agency opened. Finally, he decided to stay and Kadri went elsewhere. He was going to sign with Colorado for less than he signed with Calgary.

If anything, be upset that the Avs prioritized extending Manson before Kadri.

 

[The Abusement Park]

It's been reported that Flames offered more money and that's why he chose to go there. Even if that's untrue, then he still decided to go there, not here. Whatever his reasons were, he did not want to be here. It's been like 3 years It's time to let go of the hockey ex who chose another woman.


It's been reported that Flames offered more money and that's why he chose to go there. Even if that's untrue, then he still decided to go there, not here. Whatever his reasons were, he did not want to be here. It's been like 3 years It's time to let go of the hockey ex who chose another woman.


It's been reported that Flames offered more money and that's why he chose to go there. Even if that's untrue, then he still decided to go there, not here. Whatever his reasons were, he did not want to be here. It's been like 3 years It's time to let go of the hockey ex who chose another woman.

Edit: RIAL beat me to it.