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hockeyfish said:
Not targeting you at all, but I find it funny how the sentement of a player ebbs and flows. Girard has gone from untouchable to trade his ass a hundred times.
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He has been poor in playoffs (or injured) when the physicality ramps up

Avs9296 said:
I think our defence would be in shambles without Girard. Manson can't handle #3 minutes.
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That's true. We are not in position to trade Girard.
 
hockeyfish said:
Not targeting you at all, but I find it funny how the sentement of a player ebbs and flows. Girard has gone from untouchable to trade his ass a hundred times.
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I think a lot of that changed after Girard did his stint in the PA program for alcohol. Who knows how many seasons he was dealing with that issue and it affecting his play.
 
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Pokecheque said:
Any trade that doesn't replace Girard with someone comparable will result in disaster. Then the team is reliant on the oft-injured Josh Manson to be their third-best blueliner, and when he inevitably goes down, then it falls to Malinski.
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Realistically, I think the only way you can trade G is one of two ways, 1) you find a younger guy with upside who steps in and immediately blows past expectations (i.e. they pick up Zac Jones for cheap and it turns out the Rangers f'd up), or 2) you trade for a bigger two-way dman that can play harder defensive minutes (i.e. you decide to trade for Marcus Pettersson)
 
SoundwaveIsCharisma said:
In light of the ongoing question marks around Landeskog's ability to come back, as well as Drouin coming in and out of the lineup, I'd still like for them to add another talented forward to help bolster in the inevitable case of injuries.
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It's just not realistic with the cap and assets we have, combined with our defensive needs. We just have to hope for the best with these two, and hope Pärssinen can also step up as the #3C.
 
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LOFIN said:
It's just not realistic with the cap and assets we have, combined with our defensive needs. We just have to hope for the best with these two, and hope Pärssinen can also step up as the #3C.
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In the ideal situation it would be the Avs overpaying a bit for a talented kid with a cheaper contract, Brandon Hagel when he got traded to Tampa would be the prime example of that. Not sure if there's someone out there like that.

Edit: this would be for D or F, a deal like that could go a long ways in terms of providing some cap flexibility. A Top-4 D or Top-6 F that is really cheap for 1-2 more years would be a blessing.
 
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hockeyfish said:
Not targeting you at all, but I find it funny how the sentement of a player ebbs and flows. Girard has gone from untouchable to trade his ass a hundred times.
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I also don't think it's a surprise that the trade his ass section of his career right before he went to the PAP. Since then he's been unreal.
 
The Abusement Park said:
I also don't think it's a surprise that the trade his ass section of his career right before he went to the PAP. Since then he's been unreal.
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There’s that, but then there’s also people that have a general distaste and bias for small players. Some have it for slow players, some for dumb players.
 
I don't think they move G during this season, but I also think it's a mistake to view him as untouchable.

If he's the piece needed to close a big deal you have to consider it.

They can replace his 5 goals and 35 points fairly easily. They can replace his defensive ability fairly easily.

The question is how close can they get to replacing his transition game skating the puck out of the D zone? That's his main contribution. They can get close and it might still be worth it. Especially if it's for less than $5M. One of the best things this team is good at is identifying mobile defenseman.
 
Foppa2118 said:
I don't think they move G during this season, but I also think it's a mistake to view him as untouchable.

If he's the piece needed to close a big deal you have to consider it.

They can replace his 5 goals and 35 points fairly easily. They can replace his defensive ability fairly easily.

The question is how close can they get to replacing his transition game skating the puck out of the D zone? That's his main contribution. They can get close and it might still be worth it. Especially if it's for less than $5M. One of the best things this team is good at is identifying mobile defenseman.
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From the Avs side due to a lack of assets.
 
I don't think G is going anywhere until they know what they have in either Behrens or Guly and they probably still are one or two years away from knowing that.

The other way could be by including G+ for an upgrade or somebody equivalent but younger and cheaper.

G has been really, really good since he came back.
 
The Abusement Park said:
I also don't think it's a surprise that the trade his ass section of his career right before he went to the PAP. Since then he's been unreal.
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He's been good, he hasn't been unreal. He's played fairly well defensively. Some good plays, some bad. He's chipped in a few points, his usual 35ish point pace. That's not unreal.

It's his puck transition game that's his main contirbution. That by itself is unreal, because he's elite at this, but I don't think that makes his entire game unreal. There are many other parts of a defenseman's job.

He's played at a similar level as Toews while he was struggling, or Manson while he was healthy (different role obv). He's played like a good #3D. Which is commendable.

Toews recent play has been better than G's good games, and I'm not sure I'd say that's been unreal. Just very good. Put Girard consistently in a top pair role like Toews and you see a different Girard IMO.
 
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Foppa2118 said:
He's been good, he hasn't been unreal. He's played fairly well defensively. Some good plays, some bad. He's chipped in a few points, his usual 35ish point pace. That's not unreal.

It's his puck transition game that's his main contirbution. That by itself is unreal, because he's elite at this, but I don't think that makes his entire game unreal. There are many other parts of a defenseman's job.

He's played at a similar level as Toews while he was struggling, or Manson while he was healthy (different role obv). He's played like a good #3D. Which is commendable.

Toews recent play has been better than G's good games, and I'm not sure I'd say that's been unreal. Just very good. Put Girard consistently in a top pair role like Toews and you see a different Girard IMO.
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You'd also see a different Makar. Makar looked much better when paired with Girard while Toews was sucking. Girard and Makar could work phenomenally, but they would need a handful of games together to really gel. Makar would have to realize that G is good and capable of doing a lot... that being said, Sammy would also need to realize that unless he's seeing a significantly high chance of success, he should be defering to Cale. They're both smart guys and could figure it out.

On the flip side, I don't think we'd get as much mileage out of a Toews-Manson pairing. I'm not sure he's accustomed to getting regular minutes with the Kylingtons, Middletons, Ludvigs, and de Hanns either. For years while Girard has been tasked with leading our shitters, Toews has had the luxury of playing more or less exclusively with our top 5 unit.

I'm not trying to take anything away from Devon. It's just they are asked to do two really different things. Yet, when Girard was moved up and asked to play next to Makar, they both looked fantastic earlier this year. In fact, Makar snapped out of a bit of funk* he'd been in..

*a funk for Makar is a very different animal than a funk for most players.
 
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expatriatedtexan said:
You'd also see a different Makar. Makar looked much better when paired with Girard while Toews was sucking. Girard and Makar could work phenomenally, but they would need a handful of games together to really gel. Makar would have to realize that G is good and capable of doing a lot... that being said, Sammy would also need to realize that unless he's seeing a significantly high chance of success, he should be defering to Cale. They're both smart guys and could figure it out.

On the flip side, I don't think we'd get as much mileage out of a Toews-Manson pairing. I'm not sure he's accustomed to getting regular minutes with the Kylingtons, Middletons, Ludvigs, and de Hanns either. For years while Girard has been tasked with leading our shitters, Toews has had the luxury of playing more or less exclusively with our top 5 unit.

I'm not trying to take anything away from Devon. It's just they are asked to do two really different things. Yet, when Girard was moved up and asked to play next to Makar, they both looked fantastic earlier this year. In fact, Makar snapped out of a bit of funk* he'd been in..

*a funk for Makar is a very different animal than a funk for most players.
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Girard and Makar have been tried a fair amount together and it never really worked until briefly this season. That's why they stopped trying. That's not a big enough sample size for me to think it would work well consistently though.

When Sammy is paired with another puck mover, he doesn't change his game much, and has a tendency to make aggressive pinches when he shouldn't. He needs a stay at home partner to prevent this IMO.

Personally I don't think he's a good consistent fit with Makar. It would negate Girard's biggest contribution to the team with his transition game, in a way that Girard limited Byram's transition game, because he carried the puck so much.

That's just the regular season too. In the playoffs, I'd have big concerns with a Girard-Makar pairing. It think it would get abused down low and in front of the net. Cale needs help there as it is, though Toews has been better at it recently.

Sammy gets a lot of shifts with the top line too. He's never really been exclusive to non top pair shifts.

I also think a Toews-Manson second pairing would be outstanding. A very solid two way pairing, that would work well in the playoffs. Problem has been Bednar and Pratt haven't trusted Girard-Makar enough to pair them regularly, so Toews gets stapled to Cale. I'd like to see them try to transition Toews into a 2nd pair D man as he gets older, but I'm not sure they will be able to.
 
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