Rumor: 2024-2025 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Talk | The Slow Crawl to the Season

[MacKaRant]

2025 NYR 2nd is our best draft asset. Might be too early to trade the 2027 1st.

I know we discussed this before, but I have since found an example of a team "double committing" to a conditional pick, so I do think the Avs could trade the 2026 1st as long as the condition attached to it is opposite to the RyJo trade (that is, 2025 1st if Avs finish bottom 10, otherwise slides to 2026)

Oilers traded their 2022 second round pick to the Canadiens for Kulak on the condition that it would slide to a 2023 second round pick if they reached the Stanley Cup Finals. They needed to include this condition because they had already traded their 2022 second round pick to the Blackhawks for Duncan Keith on the condition that if they reached the Finals and Keith had enough ice time (if these conditions were not met, it would slide to a 2022 third rounder)

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Fairly certain Florida or Calgary had some sort of similar scenario as well where one of them traded a pick that was already conditionally part of another trade.


EDIT: Sort of found it?

So on July 21, 2021 Florida traded its 2022 1st round pick, to Buffalo with the condition that if that pick was Top 10, Buffalo would instead receive Florida's 2023 1st. Then, on March 15, 2022, Florida traded its 2023 1st to Montreal for Ben Chiarot(LOL).


So I believe that would be the exact same scenario as us trading our 2026 1st at this years draft, which I am assuming if Florida was able to make that trade, we shouldn't have any issues trading the 2026 1st if they wanted too.

 

[Avs9296]

Fairly certain Florida or Calgary had some sort of similar scenario as well where one of them traded a pick that was already conditionally part of another trade.

Well in that case, STEAK IS BACK ON THE MENU BOYS!

 

[RoyIsALegend]

f*** yeah.

Mitts, Ritchie, Conditional 1st for retained Crosby.

Let’s f***ing gooooooo!

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

f*** yeah.

Mitts, Ritchie, Conditional 1st for retained Crosby.

Let’s f***ing gooooooo!

That would make me so happy

 

[expatriatedtexan]

[edit...Wrong thread but hell...just in case you wondering...]

Helleson will draw the wrath of Parros. Took Zary's knee out.

Who am I kidding...nobody knows who either of these dudes are, he won't even get a memo about the hit.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

f*** yeah.

Mitts, Ritchie, Conditional 1st for retained Crosby.

Let’s f***ing gooooooo!

Why not throw in another 1st and get Marcus Pettersson as well?!?!

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

Well in that case, STEAK IS BACK ON THE MENU BOYS!

Steak you say? *Eric Lacroix has entered the chat*

 

[Metallo]

Well in that case, STEAK IS BACK ON THE MENU BOYS!

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Friedman speculates that the cap next year will land at $95 million. That would be a $7m increase from this season’s $88m cap ceiling. Helpful for a Mikko extension.

He says the following season(2026-27) could be a huge jump.

Important for us as he reminds us that we can extend Makar as of July 1, 2026.

24. Coming out of the Board of Governors, a few executives said that while we’re all concentrating on what the cap will be next season, the bigger question is two years from now. Upcoming is the end of the current CBA, with a mandated rise to $92.4 million, although both sides can agree to raise it higher. (Most predictions are it will land around $95 million, we’ll see.) However, there are no current guardrails for 2026-27 and growing revenues dictate a major jump in store for the cap. That’s the summer the likes of Kyle Connor, Jack Eichel, Kirill Kaprizov, Cale Makar, Connor McDavid and Artemi Panarin are eligible to become free agents.

And, since percentage of the cap is becoming a major negotiation starting point, teams (and agents) clamour for clarity. All of those players are eligible to extend next July 1. Long time away in real life, very much on the radar screen of those involved.

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[John Mandalorian]

Some Canucks fan was citing Friedman in terms of what Vancouver would want and based on that speculated Mitts and Girard would be something Vancouver would be looking for.

I’d do this. A 2C that’s a 90 pt machine is more difficult to get than a 2LD.

Before anyone compares Georgiev to Miller as a locker room presence, that’s apples and oranges. If Georgiev had a save % of .925 every year (or the save % of 90 pt seasons), Georgiev would likely still be with the Avs.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Some Canucks fan was citing Friedman in terms of what Vancouver would want and based on that speculated Mitts and Girard would be something Vancouver would be looking for.

I’d do this. A 2C that’s a 90 pt machine is more difficult to get than a 2LD.

Before anyone compares Georgiev to Miller as a locker room presence, that’s apples and oranges. If Georgiev had a save % of .925 every year (or the save % of 90 pt seasons), Georgiev would likely still be with the Avs.

Zero chance I’m moving Girard in a JT Miller trade.

 

[Tommy Shelby]

No thanks to acquiring "The NHL's Biggest Bozo"

In case anyone wants to have a good chuckle at HF's most legendary thread

Who’s the Biggest Bozo in the NHL?

My vote goes to JT Miller. The guy is a total Bozo, he’s the laziest player I’ve ever seen. He takes the dumbest penalties every game, sometimes while on the ice he’ll just stop and stand there staring into space. Last game Philly dumped the puck in and Miller got to it but stopped and...

forums.hfboards.com

 

[Gumballhead]

No thanks to acquiring "The NHL's Biggest Bozo"

Eric Bozoagain?

 

[John Mandalorian]

Zero chance I’m moving Girard in a JT Miller trade.

LD is easier to come by than a guy who produces Kadri’s best year, year after year. As the cap goes up 8.5 becomes like 6.5 to 7.5 today. So even if he production drops, as long as it’s somewhat gradual and not falling off a cliff (which admittedly is possible), the value would still be in line.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

LD is easier to come by than a guy who produces Kadri’s best year, year after year. As the cap goes up 8.5 becomes like 6.5 to 7.5 today. So even if he production drops, as long as it’s somewhat gradual and not falling off a cliff (which admittedly is possible), the value would still be in line.

That’s fine.

I don’t want Miller and I don’t know that we will easily find a 3D that fits our organization and system like Girard who fits us like a glove.

Others may like your proposal, I don’t for those reasons.

 

[Pokecheque]

Erik Gustafsson is on a 2x2
Jeremy lauzon is on a 2x2
Juuso Valimaki is on 2x2
Henry thrun is on a 2x1

M Petterson at 50% is around 2
Dumoulin @ 50% closer to 1.5

My God stop with the Lauzon love. He sucks.

 

[ABasin]

Zero chance I’m moving Girard in a JT Miller trade.

Agreed.

Any move to significantly bolster the Top6 or Top4, cannot result in the significant weakening of the other.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

Some Canucks fan was citing Friedman in terms of what Vancouver would want and based on that speculated Mitts and Girard would be something Vancouver would be looking for.

I’d do this. A 2C that’s a 90 pt machine is more difficult to get than a 2LD.

Before anyone compares Georgiev to Miller as a locker room presence, that’s apples and oranges. If Georgiev had a save % of .925 every year (or the save % of 90 pt seasons), Georgiev would likely still be with the Avs.

I might be willing to make that move for EP40, but that’s simply betting on upside. He’s shown the ability to be quite good defensively, and he’s got 100+ point upside. However, that’s such a big gamble, if he remains as a on/off somewhat apathetic player that’s not worth it at all.

I wouldn’t make the move for Miller, outside of the likely hilarity of Miller and MacK out competing each other for who’s more demanding

 

[Vaslof]

Some Canucks fan was citing Friedman in terms of what Vancouver would want and based on that speculated Mitts and Girard would be something Vancouver would be looking for.

I’d do this. A 2C that’s a 90 pt machine is more difficult to get than a 2LD.

Before anyone compares Georgiev to Miller as a locker room presence, that’s apples and oranges. If Georgiev had a save % of .925 every year (or the save % of 90 pt seasons), Georgiev would likely still be with the Avs.

If they offered Miller for Girard I'd decline.

Mitts for Miller trade could be worth the risk. Also I believe we wouldn't need to honor Miller's NTC so can always get rid of him.

 

[RECKLESS]

I say no to EP40 and JT Miller 24/7 365. There is no possible trade I'd be willing to make.

 

[ABasin]

I say no to EP40 and JT Miller 24/7 365. There is no possible trade I'd be willing to make.

OK, I'll bite.

Miller fully retained for Foudy, Vancouver throws in a 2025 2nd.

 

[dahrougem2]

That’s fine.

I don’t want Miller and I don’t know that we will easily find a 3D that fits our organization and system like Girard who fits us like a glove.

Others may like your proposal, I don’t for those reasons.

How many years did it take for us to move away from the Hannan's, Clark's, Hejda's, Holden's, Barberio's, Cumiskey's, etc of the world?

When Girard got here in 17-18 we were astonished that a defenseman could skate like him and pass like him. Now we come to expect it with Girard, Makar, Toews, Malinski, even Manson.

This team is built from the back end out. Nobody should want to move Girard unless it's for a better version of him.

 

[hockeyfish]

How many years did it take for us to move away from the Hannan's, Clark's, Hejda's, Holden's, Barberio's, Cumiskey's, etc of the world?

When Girard got here in 17-18 we were astonished that a defenseman could skate like him and pass like him. Now we come to expect it with Girard, Makar, Toews, Malinski, even Manson.

This team is built from the back end out. Nobody should want to move Girard unless it's for a better version of him.

Not targeting you at all, but I find it funny how the sentement of a player ebbs and flows. Girard has gone from untouchable to trade his ass a hundred times.

 

[MacKaRant]

Not targeting you at all, but I find it funny how the sentement of a player ebbs and flows. Girard has gone from untouchable to trade his ass a hundred times.

Surely sentiment ebbs and flows in alignment with how the player is playing, especially how the player is playing relative to his contract?